[QUOTE=derryk]Alright, two quick questions:

What do you guys know about UFIP cymbals? Price? Quality? Lines that suck?

And same goes for Paiste.[/QUOTE]

I can only go on Paiste. I think they are extreemly good quality. However their price is premium and above that of Zildjian and Sabian although they provide a more unique sounds.

Lines that suck? Depends. All their lines are good for their price range tbh. PST's are the worst I beleive. Lines to check out are the 2oo2's and Signatures. I have a 16" Signature Power Crash and love it.

Yeah, I hear they're pretty expensive. I've only found one place that sells them too.. so that probably won't help. Thanks bud.

Anyone for UFIP?

wich, dont think on price:
20" 2002 classic china
20" wuhan china?

Erm, this isn't really looking for a cymbal ... but I didn't want to start a new thread just to ask a tiny question.

Is [URL=http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Istanbul-20-Ride-Cymbal-Mehmet-Sultan-Series_W0QQitemZ7413255004QQcategoryZ10174QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem]This[/URL] a good buy for like 100 quid?

im looking for a ride,I'll be using this ride for mainly most types of rock, but it needs to be versatile. w/ great stick definition (not too much) with a defined warm sounding bell, (can hear at live performances) and no overtones, i mean just a little ..ty

im listening to zildjian cymbal clips and i fell inlove wit 22" A medium ride. is that sound accurate??? because in store theres only 20" A med ride and i dunt like the sound it gives...

[QUOTE=Collis]Erm, this isn't really looking for a cymbal ... but I didn't want to start a new thread just to ask a tiny question.

Is [URL=http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Istanbul-20-Ride-Cymbal-Mehmet-Sultan-Series_W0QQitemZ7413255004QQcategoryZ10174QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem]This[/URL] a good buy for like 100 quid?[/QUOTE]


well, i don't know what 100 quid is in USD, but that is a damned fine ride

[quote=Collis]Erm, this isn't really looking for a cymbal ... but I didn't want to start a new thread just to ask a tiny question.

Is [URL="http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Istanbul-20-Ride-Cymbal-Mehmet-Sultan-Series_W0QQitemZ7413255004QQcategoryZ10174QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem"]This[/URL] a good buy for like 100 quid?[/quote]

YES

Also to whoever said PST's are the worst Paistes. 101 Brass??

[QUOTE=Drum Phil]YES

Also to whoever said PST's are the worst Paistes. 101 Brass??[/QUOTE]


SSHHHH! we don't speak of the 101s

[QUOTE=HeLLmO]well, i don't know what 100 quid is in USD, but that is a damned fine ride[/QUOTE]

I would say that is about $190 (Don't count me on it), but as seen as I currently have a ZBT ride (Ok it was stock, I didn't buy it :p ) I am deffo gonna go for that ... just hope I win :mad:

I just picked up an 18 inch vault crash. I'm looking for a 16 inch crash that will mix well with it, anyone have any suggestions?

[QUOTE=enishi]im looking for a ride,I'll be using this ride for mainly most types of rock, but it needs to be versatile. w/ great stick definition (not too much) with a defined warm sounding bell, (can hear at live performances) and no overtones, i mean just a little ..ty[/QUOTE]

22" Hand Hammered Rock Ride

[QUOTE=Diego]22" Hand Hammered Rock Ride[/QUOTE]

thanks,oso:chug:
ye i think that too, but i narrowed it down for sum rides.
20" K heavy
22" A med ride
22" HH rock ride
so? cant decide right now.
what would be the most versatile?

HH. Easily.

^yea, pretty much

So im looking for another crash to go along with my current setup and i have an idea but im open to some more suggestions. my current cymbal setup is:

18inch AAXplosion Crash
18inch AA medium thin crash
18inch AA chinese
16inch AAX stage crash
14inch AAX stage hats

Im getting the AA raw bell dry ride soon too and ive already picked that out.

Im thinking of maybe an 18inch Vault crash to go along with it. preferabbly sabian since its way cheaper here. 18 inch crash only. thin-mediumthin only also. thanks.

I am looking for some new cymbals. I'm getting a summer job and I just want to know what to save for. We play hard rock, classic rock, and metal.

I want a crash that sounds kind of like John Bonham's, but I can't afford 2oo2 stuff. I'm in more of a Sabian AA price range. I will probably be using this as my main, and maybe my only crash for now, so it should be kind of versatile.

I would like a dry sounding, ride with lots of stick definition. Almost clicky if you know what I mean. Again, remember my price range.

For my hi-hats, I want some loud ones that can cut through in metal. I like sizzly sounding ones. These should be versatile too I guess.

I appreciate any help guys.

[QUOTE=Tim]So im looking for another crash to go along with my current setup and i have an idea but im open to some more suggestions. my current cymbal setup is:

18inch AAXplosion Crash
18inch AA medium thin crash
18inch AA chinese
16inch AAX stage crash
14inch AAX stage hats

Im getting the AA raw bell dry ride soon too and ive already picked that out.

Im thinking of maybe an 18inch Vault crash to go along with it. preferabbly sabian since its way cheaper here. 18 inch crash only. thin-mediumthin only also. thanks.[/QUOTE]


18" HHX Stage/Studio Crash

freebyrd you sound like ur going for the bonham sound all around. if you want that dont cut expenses, save. giant beats.

15"soundedge high hats, or giant beat hi hats
18" medium crash, or giant beat
24" 2002 ride, or giant beat
20"medium crash, or giant beat.

he used giant beats earlier on. the 2002's

what is the equivalent of 22" HH rock ride to zildjian??
which is more versatile?

might look at 22" avedis rock ride

[QUOTE]equivalent..more versatile?[/QUOTE]

that just struck me as odd.

[QUOTE=enishi]im listening to zildjian cymbal clips and i fell inlove wit 22" A medium ride. is that sound accurate??? because in store theres only 20" A med ride and i dunt like the sound it gives...[/QUOTE]All so called "identical" models sound different. So deciding to order a cymbal based on hearing a soundfile on the website of Zildjian or Sabian is a bad idea. The cymbal you will get is a different one and will probably sound different to even extremely different. So go the shop and listen to what's there and pick the one you like.

Woah, welcome to MX man! I love you already!!

Thanks, how come ?

Rare to see an educated, intellegent first post. Welcome!

Johan, Arent you the one who makes crappy cymbals in to awesome complex cymbals.

What are people's opinion of this for a cymbal setup:

8", 10" and 12" Wuhan Traditional Splashes
10" AA Splash
13" K/Z Hats
16" and 18" K Custom Special Dry Crash
22" K Heavy Ride
20" Paiste Dimensions Medium Raw Crash [8" Sabian PRO Splash stack on bell]
22" Wuhan Traditional China
14" Wuhan Traditional China with 12" Wuhan Traditional Splash inverted inside

awesome but you need a 17 crash, its missing one.....

[QUOTE]Johan, Arent you the one who makes crappy cymbals in to awesome complex cymbals[/QUOTE]That's one of the things I do yes.

But I mostly hammer good quality factory cymbals into much richer sounding cymbals. Let's say that I do the things that are not done in the factories anymore (although they claim the opposite).

Basically I want to re-create the really dark complex old turkish K-sound. Not only in light jazz cymbals, but also in heavier rock-oriented cymbals.

Modern Zildjian K's, Sabian HH's, Paiste Traditionals lack the real darkness and complexity I'm after. To me most sound too one-directional and sterile. Turkish handhammered cymbals are much more to my liking, but they're a hit and miss because although they may still be [I]shaped[/I] by handhammering, they are rarely well-tuned (or in tune with themselves) and often have unplayable areas.

The cymbals I've hammered can be seen and heard on my [URL=http://users.telenet.be/cymbzdrumz/]webindex page[/URL].

Some "before and after modification" files can be heard [URL=http://jvds.byethost15.com/3_BEFORE_AND_AFTER_MODIFICATION/]HERE[/URL].

Some of the "crappy" cymbals you mentioned that I hammered into professional cymbals are [URL=http://jvds.byethost15.com/3_BEFORE_AND_AFTER_MODIFICATION/from_AMATEUR_to_PROFESSIONAL_cymbal/]HERE[/URL].



This was a Paiste Signature Power ride, now sounding like the old Tony Williams ride.(Here's a [URL="http://users.telenet.be/cymbzdrumz/1_RECREATED_CUSTOM_CYMBALS/5_NEFERTITI_RIDES_and_related/22_Complex_Dark_Ride_2970_gr_(from_Paiste_Signature).mp3"]SOUNDFILE[/URL])
[img]http://users.telenet.be/cymbzdrumz/1_RECREATED_CUSTOM_CYMBALS/5_NEFERTITI_RIDES_and_related/22_Complex_Dark_Ride_2970_gr_(from_Paiste_Signature).jpg[/img]



This was a Zildjian ZBT 20" ride, now a very complex thin jazz ride (here's a [URL="http://users.telenet.be/cymbzdrumz/3_BEFORE_AND_AFTER_MODIFICATION/from_AMATEUR_to_PROFESSIONAL_cymbal/ZBT_Zildjian_conversion_to_professional_light_jazz_cymbals/Zildjian_ZBT_20_ride_before_and_after_modification.mp3"]"before and after"[/URL] clip)
[img]http://users.telenet.be/cymbzdrumz/3_BEFORE_AND_AFTER_MODIFICATION/from_AMATEUR_to_PROFESSIONAL_cymbal/ZBT_Zildjian_conversion_to_professional_light_jazz_cymbals/20_Ride_(From_Zildjian_ZBT).jpg[/img]



Here's a "before and after" pic of a cheap 16" Headliner crash cymbal, now a professional dark thin crash (and [URL="http://users.telenet.be/cymbzdrumz/3_BEFORE_AND_AFTER_MODIFICATION/from_AMATEUR_to_PROFESSIONAL_cymbal/Headliner_16_crash_before_and_after_modification.mp3"]here's [/URL]the before and after sound):
[img]http://users.telenet.be/cymbzdrumz/3_BEFORE_AND_AFTER_MODIFICATION/from_AMATEUR_to_PROFESSIONAL_cymbal/Headliner_16_crash_before_and_after_modification.jpg[/img]

Hi,

I'm looking to upgrade my Hi-Hats, Main Crash and Ride.
For my Hi-Hats, I want something with a nice "chick" sound when tightly closed, a trashy sort of sound when loosely closed, and a nice sound when open (not the Hi-Hats with a bad sound when open). It's kinda a vague description, but any help is good. I was thinking around $700aud as my budget for these.
For my crash I was thinking maybe a Zildjian K Medium Thin 16" Crash? What does anyone think about this decision, or anyones opinion about the cymbal?
And for the ride, I was thinking about maybe a 21" Sweet Ride, or a K 22" Heavy ride, once again if anyone has any other opinions or suggested it is greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advanced.