Extremist in what regard? Even he can't seem to decide what he believes in. He's a martyr for dilettante pagan revivalists or whatever bullshit it is he preaches.

[QUOTE=Tyler;18381216]How can you not? He's behind church burnings which make absolutely no ideological sense (much like, well, everything he pretends to believe in). He murdered someone--you don't stab someone 20+ times in self-defence. When they arrested him his house was full of explosives. He once escaped from prison and was found in a station wagon filled to the brim with weapons, explosives, maps and some sort of GPS device.

He

Is

Insane.


He's not anymore, unfortunately.[/QUOTE]

he didn't burn any churches. at least there's no evidence to it.

he didn't stab him twenty times. he allegedly fell on some glass (or through a glass door or whatever). he was attacked first. but he went over there with the attention to at the very least harm the guy. they were involved with a stupid power struggle about who were the more kvlt.

as for the escape, he probably escaped due to the frustration at receiving the maximum penalty you can receive in Norway. *no one* gets that for manslaughter. he got it 100% due to... a lack of charisma, shall we say.

he doesn't look insane nor dangerous to me. he's a farmer with a wife and kids.

he just was a young kid in a bad milieu. he's grown since then.

granted, he is a racist, and he has some beliefs society at large would frown upon. but he's probably not clinically insane.

We're going over different kinds of mental and emotional problems in my therapy courses right now and I'm not sure if you could label Varg "insane" in the clinical sense of the word. I'd say he has heavy emotional disturbance and slight sociopathy.



jared lee loughner would be a good example of someone who is genuinely insane/schizophrenic

*had*. now he's just an old racist farmer.

[QUOTE=Tyler;18381224]Extremist in what regard? Even he can't seem to decide what he believes in. He's a martyr for dilettante pagan revivalists or whatever bullshit it is he preaches.[/QUOTE]

I think it's safe to say that anyone who's unnerved with race and religion so much that he's constantly been aware (if entirely wrong) about what he's against so that he can evolve better into, what he sees as his perfect self.

Following self-discovery and the occult does not make you insane, nor does having a background that essentially marked you to be a racist and killing someone after discovering that he or she planned to kill you as well does not make you insane. It means that you were attracted to a culture most are not very aware of or accepting of, by reasons which probably arose from your environment. As well, it means that you were upset and vengeful towards the person who planned to kill you.

[QUOTE]he didn't burn any churches. at least there's no evidence to it.[/QUOTE]
supported it publicly and was found with a shitload of explosives. there's enough of a correlation to imply that even if he never did, he probably would have. since i'm saiyng he's nuts and not guilty, yea.

[QUOTE]he didn't stab him twenty times.[/QUOTE]
23 stab wounds.

[QUOTE]he allegedly fell on some glass (or through a glass door or whatever). [/QUOTE]
allegedly.

[QUOTE]he was attacked first. but he went over there with the attention to at the very least harm the guy. they were involved with a stupid power struggle about who were the more kvlt.[/QUOTE]
crazy person who goes to a stupid person's house with intent to hurt is still crazy. oh and it's not self-defence if he went there with the intent to harm and got attacked first.

[QUOTE]as for the escape, he probably escaped due to the frustration at receiving the maximum penalty you can receive in Norway.[/QUOTE]
k explain the police chase, the guns, the explosives, the maps and all that found in his car?

[QUOTE]he doesn't look insane nor dangerous to me. [/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE]he's a farmer with a wife and kids.[/QUOTE]
and?

the guy is crazy, end of story. i dont even understand why you're trying to defend him. you don't go 'normal' after stabbing someone over 20 times. and that stuff about falling through glass is bullshit. varg stabbed him right in the fucking forehead.

the new album sounds better than belus

never did understand church burning
or peoples obsession with varg

I'm not trying to defend him at all. I'm just saying that the word "insanity" is being thrown around when he is clearly not clinically insane.


He took several mental health examinations and they said he was not insane. Other emotional problems, of course, but not clinically insane.

i was more referring to christsimpson

regardless of whether he was shown to be 'clinically' insane or not, the man is and has always been very disturbed. i think that's the point tyler's trying to make, and he's not just some simple farmer with kids now who had a bit of a 'militant' youth.

Millions of otherwise mentally healthy people (with exceptions, of course) helped eradicate about 6 millions Jews. Always remember that.

[QUOTE=Tyler;18381250]supported it publicly and was found with a shitload of explosives. there's enough of a correlation to imply that even if he never did, he probably would have. since i'm saiyng he's nuts and not guilty, yea.


23 stab wounds.


allegedly.


crazy person who goes to a stupid person's house with intent to hurt is still crazy


k explain the police chase, the guns, the explosives, the maps and all that found in his car?


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and?[/QUOTE]

everyone of those stupid kids supported the church burnings and the infamous stabbing of the homosexual that occurred. that doesn't mean all of them would burn a church, nor stab someone. I'm not saying he wasn't stupid or fucked up, but he has not been proven to have burned any churches.

that could easily have been the result of broken glass - broken glass that was - afair - found in the apartment.

there was a silly power struggle going on in the black metal milieu. he was one of the most vocal people in which struggle. the guy he murdered were another one. Varg learned that this guy was out to murder him, so he was going to make some evasive/pre-emptive manæuvre. the dude attacked him, so he stabbed him. nothing insane here. just two kids caught up in a ridiculous power struggle.

he had maps and gps to get around. who doesn't? he probably wanted to escape the country. the weapons were obviously in case of a violent encounter with the authorities. the police chase... well... he was on the run. naturally the police chased him.

the point about him being an old farmer with wife and kids was just that he's grown up. he's no longer a child.

I don't see anything insane about this story.

[QUOTE=rasputin;18381251]the guy is crazy, end of story. i dont even understand why you're trying to defend him. you don't go 'normal' after stabbing someone over 20 times. and that stuff about falling through glass is bullshit. varg stabbed him right in the fucking forehead.[/QUOTE]

those are all impressively absolute claims, coming from someone I suspect to have absolutely no involvement with the incident.

I think Belus was awesome. still haven't heard Fallen, the leak I downloaded sucked. listened to the song Valen on youtube though, I think the clean parts were the best actually. if the rest of the album is anything like that song then I'm thrilled.

i'm not claiming them - he had over 20 stab wounds (as shown by the police, as there's an obvious difference between a stab wound and a glass injury), and he had one on his forehead. straight from the horse's mouth - [url]http://www.burzum.org/eng/library/a_burzum_story02.shtml[/url]

[QUOTE=rasputin;18381258]i was more referring to christsimpson

regardless of whether he was shown to be 'clinically' insane or not, the man is and has always been very disturbed. i think that's the point tyler's trying to make, and he's not just some simple farmer with kids now who had a bit of a 'militant' youth.[/QUOTE]

you can't say "regardless of not being clinically insane or not he is insane". that makes no sense.

what do you mean about him not being a simple farmer with kids? he has a farm, wife, kids, band... and he buys his groceries, and takes a shit in a toilet... pretty much normal things.

[QUOTE]Varg learned that this guy was out to murder him, so he was going to make some evasive/pre-emptive manæuvre.[/QUOTE]
sounds like pre-meditated murder to me

[QUOTE]he had maps and gps to get around. who doesn't? he probably wanted to escape the country. the weapons were obviously in case of a violent encounter with the authorities. the police chase... well... he was on the run. naturally the police chased him.[/QUOTE]
are you kidding with this? the weapons were in case of a violent encounter? let me run through what was found in his car:

[QUOTE]a gas mask, knives, camouflage clothing, a portable Global Positioning System satellite navigator, maps, a compass, a mobile telephone, a headset and a laptop[/QUOTE]

and I'm sure there was a jar of broken glass in the back. oh and he hijacked it from a family of 3. what a nice family man :)

[QUOTE]what do you mean about him not being a simple farmer with kids? he has a farm, wife, kids, band... and he buys his groceries, and takes a shit in a toilet... pretty much normal things.[/QUOTE]
yeah because people with normal lives can't be fucked up.

anyways you're stupid im not arguing anymore.

[QUOTE=rasputin;18381266]i'm not claiming them - he had over 20 stab wounds, and he had one on his forehead. straight from the horse's mouth.[/QUOTE]

uhhh the horse is dead, so no that's not from the horse's mouth.

He has issues, idk if I can call him insane but he definitely has issues.

And I haven't checked the new Burzum yet and I don't know if I want to, the cover is quite strange for a Burzum album.

[QUOTE=christsimpson;18381269]uhhh the horse is dead, so no that's not from the horse's mouth.[/QUOTE]

lol you're such an idiot

sooooo Cryfemal's [I]Apoteosis Oculta [/I]is good.

[QUOTE=christsimpson;18381269]uhhh the horse is dead, so no that's not from the horse's mouth.[/QUOTE]

lol. the horse is reference to varg you stupid fucking dumbarse

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUE80ddyFfI[/url]

[QUOTE=Tyler;18381268]sounds like pre-meditated murder to me


are you kidding with this? the weapons were in case of a violent encounter? let me run through what was found in his car:



and I'm sure there was a jar of broken glass in the back[/QUOTE]

I'm sure he was going to murder him all along. no doubt. I'm not defending or supporting the murder. I'm just saying that it was a stupid power struggle, and I do believe that he genuinely feared for his life and felt that his hand was forced. that doesn't make it ok. it just explains it somewhat.

as for the weapons: that sounds like standard military equipment. I could sure see a paranoid convict on the run getting that. as for the compass/GPS/maps/passport - obviously those were in case of leaving the country.


there are people who have killed far more people than Varg Vikernes, and held far shadier beliefs than him. they weren't insane, and Varg Vikernes probably isn't either.

and once again I get proof on a platter that the vast majority (if not the entirety) of the mx forums are unable to carry a conversation without resorting to name calling and hostile, immature and quite frankly unintelligent flaming.

have a nice evening.

lol and now it's oh yeah he [I]probably[/I] isn't

you're lucky highanddriving posts, otherwise you'd be the dumbest poster on the board

we can carry a conversation pretty well, it just doesn't help when we're completely inundated with your idiocy

Get Perpetua Funebre Gloria, that's his best shit.

[QUOTE]as for the weapons: that sounds like standard military equipment. [/QUOTE]
didn't realize he was in the military my bad, i guess it's pretty normal for an escaped convict who'd just hijacked a car from a family of three to be carrying around a station-wagons worth of weapons. totally normal thing to do. he was just going on a road trip! you never know when you're going to need a gas mask!

anyways i'll check the new one out

i havent heard belus yet though i've had it on my computer for a while

[quote=Txus;18381288]Get Perpetua Funebre Gloria, that's his best shit.[/quote]
vocals are killer on that release