What do you guys think of the 22" Paiste New Signature Dark Energy MKII Ride?

^if there were any near us and if i had a second student loan..

chain: i had a big long post that MX so kindly froze and deleted, so heres just the jist..
zildj avedis 18" medium crash
zildj avedis 18" medium thin crash
sab aaxplosion 17"-19" crash
sab hhxplosion 18" crash
sab hand hammered 18" rock crash

What would the difference in sustain be like in these suggested models?

As far as crashes go, I would prefer a medium sustain, so that when playing with clean guitar or in other situations that are not at full instrumentation, the sustain of the crash would be noticeable, but not overpowering.

I also have two more questions concerning those cymbal lines supposedly designed for aggressive play:

Just out of curiousity, what is the problem with Z customs? I've heard about them for so long, and yet now it seems no one really cares for them. I would like to know why exactly, if anyone would be so kind as to explain it to me.

And, does anyone have any commentary on Sabian AA Metal X? I've heard almost nothing at all about these.

Z customs cannot be used for anything over than hard rock. They are one dimensional, they cannot be played at the speeds metal calls for and basically have one sound.

They are also very brittle and very likely to break.

What do you mean when they say they can't be played at the speeds required for metal?

And if they are easy to break, what are the toughest cymbals...the least likely to break and the longest lasting?

Turkish hand hammered cymbals baby :p

No way my Masterwork cymbals would break, ever...

Just how good are Wuhan splashes/chinas?

I mean when you guys say Wuhans are great do you just mean for the price, or are they actually really good?

[quote=ChainReaction]What do you mean when they say they can't be played at the speeds required for metal?

And if they are easy to break, what are the toughest cymbals...the least likely to break and the longest lasting?[/quote]

I mean you have to take a huge swing at them to get a sound. That + Speed = Exhaustion in minutes

Ok, I'm thinking about either a new pair of hats or a new crash.

For hats: Something fairly versatile, but I do play mostly rock at this point. Lots of prog, a little metal, etc. I'd like something with cut, but not too bright. So far I've considered Zildjian A New Beats and Sabian AAX Stage Hats.

For crashes, I'd like something a little darker than my 18" A Custom, but I'd like something in a smaller size. I've been thinking 16". So far I've ruled out K Customs, as they don't cut enough. Otherwise, I'm pretty open. I've also thought about an AAXplosion crash.

Any suggestions? Thanks in advance.

get some hats. dont get stage hats..those might be a tad too bright for your liking since you dont want bright. plosions are awesome crashes i have an 18.

I was basically lookin for the same as you, i wanted either new hats or a crash i went for the hats because i can see them making the biggest contribution to my kit at the moment.
I was looking for versatile hats also and after a lot of looking and thinking i went with new beats (not brilliant). Just waiting on them now, I'll have them by the end of the month, it's killing me!

okay guys, need help with a ride i dont see much of at stores

im thinkin around 18"-20", super sizzly and washy

loud bell

did i mention i need the sizzle! fairly..this cant make any sense..dark and cutting? >.<

[QUOTE=aznriceball]okay guys, need help with a ride i dont see much of at stores

im thinkin around 18"-20", super sizzly and washy

loud bell

did i mention i need the sizzle! fairly..this cant make any sense..dark and cutting? >.<[/QUOTE]

well. it may not help but the 2oo2 rides are wasssshhhy. alot. the bell is pretty good. but not too cutting.

i saw a drummer with a 16" bass, a 13" BP, a timbale and a set of bongos with new beats/a wuhan splash and a super sizzly cutting ride. i lfell in love with the sound, and im sure it was 95% true since i was about 12ft from the 'stage', which was outdoors and very minimally mic'd.

okay, so im thinkin HHX or wuhan trad? id definitely need soundclips on that wuhan bell though

HHX groove. =)

What do you guys think about Fast Crashes? I was thinking of getting one, but the bloke at the shop said they werent that good. Any thoughs?

a or a custom? the a customs are beautifully shimmery, but have less volume then the othe a customs. the As are great, they're just the old (paper?)thins renamed

Aye the A Customs are paper thin. I love my K Custom fast crash

Used 14" NewBeat hihats at Massmusic.net clearance section for $179 USD !!!!

15 A Fast Crash is Sex.

AznRiceBall. 19 Armand Ride?

Azn, get the Armand Ride. That thing is beautiful. I love the sound it gives.

I loved the sizzle on the Zildjian K left side ride, I'm pretty sure it was custom...but it had a SWEET sizzle, just don't know if it'd cut enough. Just look for something that looks pretty fuc[B]k[/B]ed up in color :)

Also, the Mel Lewis Istanbul ride has a great sizzle!

[QUOTE=Tim]get some hats. dont get stage hats..those might be a tad too bright for your liking since you dont want bright. plosions are awesome crashes i have an 18.[/QUOTE]
What about Paragon hats? I've tried them out, and they seem a little more versatile than the stage hats.

Also, would HHX Groove Hats be any good for the type of music I listed earlier?

Depends, do you like groovin'?

Of course. I do play some prog metal stuff (Dream Theater, LTE, Tool, etc.) though, so would they work alright for that too?

could you describe the hhx groove ride, i have nowhere to try it, but hear all these good things about it.

Opinions of the aax splash (10")

[QUOTE=the_pure_drummer]Opinions of the aax splash (10")[/QUOTE]
Its a good splash, try to hear it in the store and compare it to other things. AA 10" is also a good splash. all about preference, id prolly take the AA splash but whatever.

Alright, two quick questions:

What do you guys know about UFIP cymbals? Price? Quality? Lines that suck?

And same goes for Paiste.