[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DD7bCRG3CG0[/url]

If this isn't black metal, then what is it?

I don't care about the metal-archives people

Dimmu Borgir and Satyricon are classics even??? Dimmu Borgir were symphonic metal like Cradle of Filth. (no idea what DB play now.) Satyricon were weird slightly avant-garde folk stuff with flutes and stuff (somewhat comparable to the first Ulver album, and maybe Ved Buens Ende). now they just play heavy metal.

[QUOTE=christsimpson;18375444]I don't care about the metal-archives people[/quote]
Cool dude, that's besides the point of my statement. My point was that even the nitpickiest of metal nerds consider Deafheaven black metal... because they play black metal.

[quote]Dimmu Borgir and Satyricon are classics even???[/quote]
According to the majority of black metal kiddies, yeah.

[quote]Dimmu Borgir were symphonic metal like Cradle of Filth.[/quote]
No.

Cheesy keyboards != symphonics, and their earlier stuff doesn't sound like Cradle Of Filth, really the bands only get compared due to image.

[quote] Satyricon were weird slightly avant-garde folk stuff with flutes and stuff (somewhat comparable to the first Ulver album, and maybe Ved Buens Ende). now they just play heavy metal.[/QUOTE]
Avant garde? LMAO

And yeah, they have folky elements, but it's still black metal, Jesus dude.

the nitpicking metal nerds need to up their game then

I don't know what/who "black metal kiddies" are.

Dimmu Borgir were symphonic, just like Cradle of Filth's first album and Bal-Sagoth's first album. Cradle of Filth went on to become a goth/symphonic metal band. Bal-Sagoth went on to become a battle/symphonic metal band. Dimmu Borgir didn't really evolve at all (as far up as I've listened). they just got more accessible and "pretty". it works, but I'd rather listen to the battle bands (Bal-Sagoth, Summoning, Elffor, Nazgûl, etc).

Satyricon were *slightly* avant-garde. not nearly as much as Ulver or Ved Buens Ende. but they essentially played mediæval-themed folk metal with flutes. it works, but I'd rather listen to Bergtatt.

Yo. There's not anything symphonic about a keyboardist with cheesy tone ripping of NES soundtracks over black metal, sorry.

uhhh I think you have been listening to the wrong For all tid if you hear cheesy keys doing NES soundtracks

I think you missed the thing that happened years ago where everyone was talking about the dude ripping off old video game soundtracks.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4O33vpC6Xfs[/url]

This is pretty cheesy/generic, kind of bordering on melodeath, but those keys are not symphonic in any way.

man i barely listen to black metal any more....just doesn't have the same effect as it once did these days it's all about dm/thrash to me

this happen to anyone else

christsimpson i have no idea who you are but you are a fucking idiot. don't even have time to point out all the stupid shit you've vomited. i will mention that you said early satyricon was avant garde, which is hilarious.

i think it's funnier that he's claiming early satyricon wasn't black metal

[QUOTE=Stevie;18375527]man i barely listen to black metal any more....just doesn't have the same effect as it once did these days it's all about dm/thrash to me

this happen to anyone else[/QUOTE]

Yeah, except it happened to me with thrash and dm instead of black metal.

christsimpson be mad dumb sometimes

[QUOTE=rasputin;18375737]i think it's funnier that he's claiming early satyricon wasn't black metal[/QUOTE]

i wish that dand guy would come back so he could try and convince me that DMT is "medieval" metal

dude medieval is right in the title!

[QUOTE=christsimpson;18375451]
Satyricon were *slightly* avant-garde. not nearly as much as Ulver or Ved Buens Ende. but they essentially played mediæval-themed folk metal with flutes. it works, but I'd rather listen to Bergtatt.[/QUOTE]

what the fuck? do you even know what avant garde means

doesn't it mean keyboards? idk

p sure tyler is right

[QUOTE=masscows;18376085]what the fuck? do you even know what avant garde means[/QUOTE]

are you speaking of semantics? it means advance guard or vanguard, and refers to experimental or innovative works of (usually) art. but in the music world, it usually refers to works that go across genres, melting them into one style.

stop posting

i thought avant garde meant toby driver

while you guys are arguing with christsimpson who is uber emo faggot

im going to listen to some Jhesu Masturbator

[QUOTE=christsimpson;18376104]are you speaking of semantics? it means advance guard or vanguard, and refers to experimental or innovative works of (usually) art. but in the music world, it usually refers to works that go across genres, melting them into one style.[/QUOTE]

lol

i thought avant-garde meant witch house

no guys it means advance guard it's a type of deodorant

[QUOTE=Anglachel;18376355]i thought avant garde meant toby driver[/QUOTE]

hahaha

i tend to think

[QUOTE=Nepenthe;18376898]no guys it means advance guard it's a type of deodorant[/QUOTE]

i can imagine a stick of deodorant saying "Avant-garde" on it followed by headlines of "too intellectual for you"/"lrn 2 cre8"

:rolleyes:

he's 14 bro

even more reason for him to GET THE FUCK OOT