Has Metallica ever thought of remastering their old albums so they sound better? I know they would sell a ton of copies of AJFA if they turned the bass up.

[QUOTE=PepsiMetal]Yea if you don't consider pulling teeth which is basically all bass.[/QUOTE]
i love how when taborama.com was still up there was a lyrics page for that song.
"bass solo take one".

[QUOTE=Thor]Has Metallica ever thought of remastering their old albums so they sound better? I know they would sell a ton of copies of AJFA if they turned the bass up.[/QUOTE]
but they've made enough money already and Lars probably won't spend anything remastering the old albums.

[QUOTE=Josh]but they've made enough money already and Lars probably won't spend anything remastering the old albums.[/QUOTE]
Well they would make tons of their fans much happier if they did this. I'm sure they're perfectly aware of what people think about that album's mixing.

[QUOTE=Thor]Well they would make tons of their fans much happier if they did this. I'm sure they're perfectly aware of what people think about that album's mixing.[/QUOTE]
the album is still quite enjoyable though, but i suppose last time i listened to it was in my car, with bass on max, so i actually get the bass from AJFA then.

[QUOTE=BLS_Infernus]The only reason I was doing that is because everywhere the guy post he puts Joey on a pedalistal when he really isn't as good as vashts80 likes to think. Like the post where he posted all of those other drummers that are clearly better then him but then goes "Joey goddamn Jordison" like he slays them all.[/QUOTE]

I never said he was "ZOMGZ GENE HOGLAN LOLZ". I said he's good. The "goddamn" was to put emphasis on the fact that Joey Jordison, somebody who's constantly flamed for being a "bad drummer", or a "mainstream horrible metal drummer" etc, is better than poor little Danish boy who can't even play his own songs correctly anyway. (Dyers Eve comes to mind.)

Edit: There's a difference between "remastering" and "remixing," guys. From what I remember, KEA-AJFA have all been "remastered." This means that they go back and use the original masters to produce the most optimal mastering job possible. What you're thinking of, when you talk about AJFA's bass guitar problem and fixing it, is "remixing." The album needs to be remixed so that the bass is louder in the mix. See the difference?

And there is also a difference between "bass", and "bass guitar." The bass guitar in AJFA is mixed to the point of basically being non-existant. If there was no bass in the mix, there'd not be much "uhph" from anything, because all of the bass in the drums and guitars would be gone. I'm a bassplayer and can normally hear bass in anything (if there's bass guitar in it), and I still can't hear the bass guitar in AJFA.

[QUOTE=Josh]the album is still quite enjoyable though, but i suppose last time i listened to it was in my car, with bass on max, so i actually get the bass from AJFA then.[/QUOTE]
Well I guess that could work, but it's still requires effort to listen to it. If Metallica kept their old mixing levels then the album would be miles better than it is.

But don't get me wrong, AJFA is a very good album. Blackened remains to be one of my favorite metal songs of all time.

[QUOTE=Chu]Ride The Lightning > Humanity[/QUOTE]

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[QUOTE=Pan-Tallica]Fixxx'd[/QUOTE]
Only in a Metallica thread could you say that. :) :thumb:

[QUOTE=.:Thrasher:.]agreed except of the getting out of thrash as soon as they could.

After KEA is was practicly heavy metal with some thrash roots in it(RTL to MOP) but with AJFA that album was heavy metal with very little thrash.

I dont think that they wanted to abandon there genre but then Bob came along and ****ed it all up. Its not like Cliff was keeping the Thrash in the band.[/QUOTE]

The only real thrash album Metallica has is Kill 'Em All. After that they quickly moved away from the thrash scene. Ride the Lighning is credited as being a thrash album but it's not even close to being a thrash album nor is Master of Puppets or ...And Justice For All. Thrash wasn't there genre to start with so they didn't abandon it. Metallica is a heavy metal band and nothing more. Not thrash, power, progressive, black, death, metalcore, etc.

The difference between remastering and remixing is this. In remasters the artist goes back and redoes that album from the start. Same songs but with there current sound or better production quality. Remix is something they do to fix a song.

Metallica doesn't need to do any of that.

It'd be nice to hear a remixed version of AJFA, so I can actually hear the nice basslines, but you know, live versions work fine and stuff.

I think the fact that there is no bass adds to the attitude of the album. I have heard AJFA with bass guitar and to tell you the truth, it sucked.


And for the others who argued about Joey, he also sucks. He's imprecise with his double bass. If you want a good drummer, Vinnie Paul and Chris Adler do the job wonderfully.

[QUOTE=drummer_mp3]I think the fact that there is no bass adds to the attitude of the album. I have heard AJFA with bass guitar and to tell you the truth, it sucked.


And for the others who argued about Joey, he also sucks. He's imprecise with his double bass. If you want a good drummer, Vinnie Paul and Chris Adler do the job wonderfully.[/QUOTE]

Chris Adler? lolz. He's great (for what LoG play), I'll give him that, but judging Jordison by ONLY his Slipknot work is a crime, since it's a well known fact that as a band, they pretty much write [b]shi[/b]tty music. His work outside of Slipknot is a lot better. Really, you should listen to the RR United album, or whenever I get back on emule I'm going to try and find a bootleg of one of the Satyricon shows he played on.

By the way, Bobby Jarzombek wipes the floor with Adler and Vinnie Paul combined. Watching some of the things he does is like watching Nicko's drumcam. It's amazing.

[QUOTE=Pan-Tallica]Fixxx'd[/QUOTE]
I'll agree with that :chug:

I didn't like Joey's drumming on some of those Roadrunner United songs. They were ok, it sounded much simpler than his slipknot beats. Haven't heard any of his other work. On slipknot's songs, the drums are too loud, you can barely hear anything else, but that's probably better. lol

I like dave makintosh and anders johanson the most out of drummers. They're probably not the best, or anywhere near there, but all of their beats are good. But joey does get bagged too much, he doesn't deserve that much. Ah well.

Nile's current drummer > drumming

Joey just like Slipknot are overrated. If he was so good he would make his beats in Slipknot good. His beats are out of place with Slipknot's song contruction. Each instrument sounds like it's playing a different song.

You just don't seem to like anything infernus, on a serious note i think Joey's very talented speed wise, he's in no way the most creative out there but he can play incredibly fast on his kickers. Nile's drummer is insane :chug:

Yup. Joey does have good double bass speed.

BLS is saying as if there aren't other bands that do this. Many people do like slipknot's music, so it can be good to some. Just like how I don't like Dream Theaters music much at all, but I still know JP is quite good of a guitarist. Their music just isn't what I prefer to listen to.

[QUOTE=BLS_Infernus]Nile's current drummer > drumming

Joey just like Slipknot are overrated. If he was so good he would make his beats in Slipknot good. His beats are out of place with Slipknot's song contruction. Each instrument sounds like it's playing a different song.[/QUOTE]
I think it works for the band, and he does make good beats. If you listen to him on their DVD he does some pretty cool stuff IMO.

[QUOTE=vashts80]I never said he was "ZOMGZ GENE HOGLAN LOLZ". I said he's good. The "goddamn" was to put emphasis on the fact that Joey Jordison, somebody who's constantly flamed for being a "bad drummer", or a "mainstream horrible metal drummer" etc, is better than poor little Danish boy who can't even play his own songs correctly anyway. (Dyers Eve comes to mind.)

Edit: There's a difference between "remastering" and "remixing," guys. From what I remember, KEA-AJFA have all been "remastered." This means that they go back and use the original masters to produce the most optimal mastering job possible. What you're thinking of, when you talk about AJFA's bass guitar problem and fixing it, is "remixing." The album needs to be remixed so that the bass is louder in the mix. See the difference?

And there is also a difference between "bass", and "bass guitar." The bass guitar in AJFA is mixed to the point of basically being non-existant. If there was no bass in the mix, there'd not be much "uhph" from anything, because all of the bass in the drums and guitars would be gone. I'm a bassplayer and can normally hear bass in anything (if there's bass guitar in it), and I still can't hear the bass guitar in AJFA.[/QUOTE]



I dont want to sound mean.. but.. you're a smart as[B]S[/B].

To set the record straight Joey Jordison can't play his stuff right.

[QUOTE=Happy]He's produced Slayer and Red Hot Chili Peppers. This is where the thrash/funk idea came from.[/QUOTE]

Yes I know, that is why I wrote "He also has produced...."

Metallica's first four are Thrash. Period.

Sure, they aren't pure Thrash like Slayer or something, but saying Metallica weren't a Thrash band in the 80's is lunacy.

as for the remixing and remastering thing, the best example I can give is:

Remixing = The Megadeth re-releases
Remastered = Peace Sells before the aforementioned re-releases.

The fact that MoP is anti-thrash kind of says something about that.

[QUOTE=BLS_Infernus]The fact that MoP is anti-thrash kind of says something about that.[/QUOTE]
Anti-thrash?

[QUOTE=Apocalyptic Raids]Anti-thrash?[/QUOTE]

None of Metallica's albums other then Kill 'Em All have thrash features and especially Master of Puppets and ...And Justice For All.

You just made it quite obvious you know absolutely nothing about Thrash.

So you're saying Disposable Heroes and Damage, Inc. aren't Thrash? :rolleyes:

[QUOTE=BLS_Infernus]To set the record straight Joey Jordison can't play his stuff right.[/QUOTE]

Do you mean his stuff as in slipknot beats, cause he can play slipknot beats quite good. I've seen quite a bit of slipknot live vids, and he was never struggling with his beats.

Yes, and you seem to know nothing about Metallica. A band how has stated right after the labeling of a thrash band that they aren't a thrash band. They also said that they may have had the original sound of the classic thrash band but quickly moved away from that scene after there first album.

You sir don't know wtf you are talking about.

[QUOTE=PepsiMetal]Do you mean his stuff as in slipknot beats, cause he can play slipknot beats quite good. I've seen quite a bit of slipknot live vids, and he was never struggling with his beats.[/QUOTE]

I too have seen videos of him with Slipknot and him doing solos and he's a bit off.