[QUOTE=GenuineImitation]Jason is talented also. Not as much as Rob though.[/QUOTE]
I haven't heard anything (I think?) from his side project bands. But I'm pretty sure Jason is at least decent. What are his other bands?

[QUOTE=Butcher]I haven't heard anything (I think?) from his side project bands. But I'm pretty sure Jason is at least decent. What are his other bands?[/QUOTE]

He did one album with Viovoid, then there is Echo Brian and he has a new one that I don't know what it's called. It's not metal or rock, anything like that.

Speaking of S&M,



anyone know where I can get the vids on the net? Like, downloading? Or is anyone willing to send them to me through MSN or Yahoo?

[QUOTE=Butcher]I haven't heard anything (I think?) from his side project bands. But I'm pretty sure Jason is at least decent. What are his other bands?[/QUOTE]


Was/Is in:

Ozzy
Voivod
Echo Brain


for more of his projects, visit here:

[URL="http://www.jasonizer.com/jason_newsted_projects.html"]http://www.jasonizer.com/jason_newsted_projects.html[/URL]

Yeah, and, I prefer Jason over Rob.


Jason > Rob in so many ways. I like Jasons overall sound better than Rob. Rob makes himself look retarded with the crabwalk.

And from somewhere, I heard Jason was with Ozzy now? Is that true or is it a rumour?

[QUOTE=SDMF]Yeah, and, I prefer Jason over Rob.


Jason > Rob in so many ways. I like Jasons overall sound better than Rob. Rob makes himself look retarded with the crabwalk.

And from somewhere, I heard Jason was with Ozzy now? Is that true or is it a rumour?[/QUOTE]


It is 100% true that Jason is with Ozzy.

[URL="http://www.jasonizer.com/jason_newsted_ozzy_0.html"]http://www.jasonizer.com/jason_newsted_ozzy_0.html[/URL]

I think the crabwalk is funny...

NP: Eye of the beholder

[QUOTE=SDMF]Yeah, and, I prefer Jason over Rob.


Jason > Rob in so many ways. I like Jasons overall sound better than Rob. Rob makes himself look retarded with the crabwalk.

And from somewhere, I heard Jason was with Ozzy now? Is that true or is it a rumour?[/QUOTE]

Rob hasn't really proven himself in Metallica so coming to that statement is jumping over the moon a little early.

[QUOTE=GenuineImitation]Jason is talented also. Not as much as Rob though.[/QUOTE]

Go download Flotsam and Jetsam's "Doomsday for the Deceiver"...he wrote 8 of the 10 songs by himself.

Cliff's tone was awful IMO, I liked Jason's Sansamp tone much more than Cliff's tone and Rob's tone. Rob has an actual bass sound? Hardly. His tone is pure overdrive with treble. Jason's had more punch due to the Sadowsky basses, the picks, and the Sansamp DI. (I can't remember what amps he used, but I think he usually went DI)

[quote]Where's the producer of AJFA, Mop, etc.. Why didn't they just ask him to produce this record too?[/quote]
Because the production on MoP is that "old" production sound, and AJFA had horrible production? St. Anger and AJFA are the worst two albums, production wise.

I'ld agree that Cliff's tone is horrible. Sounded ok on the upper fret but the lower he got it sound like mud. I much prefer the sound of Rob's overdriven Mesa to Jason's Ampeg's, Mesa's, Gibson, and Fender. My idea of a bass sound is more like Rob's then Jason's. Jason's sounded (to me) like a baritone.

Baritones and basses sound similar though...I have both, and I can't differentiate the sounds on an open low E on my baritone, and an open low E on my bass. Or maybe I'm tone deaf somewhat, I don't know.

[QUOTE=vashts80]Baritones and basses sound similar though...I have both, and I can't differentiate the sounds on an open low E on my baritone, and an open low E on my bass.[/QUOTE]

Well I have a baritone and I can tell the difference between that and my friends bass. If by what you are say then I could play his bass in my guitar amp and any guitarist knows that won't work because of the bass frequencies, which will destroy the guitar amp.

[QUOTE=vashts80]Because the production on MoP is that "old" production sound, and AJFA had horrible production? St. Anger and AJFA are the worst two albums, production wise.[/QUOTE]

Yea, that was 20 years ago though. It probably would have been alot better now if that guy even still produces music.

I see how metallica does it now though. Rasmussen made AJFA bad production, and fired. Then bob rock makes st. anger, and boom, fired. :lol:

I dont think the production on AJFA is that bad.

Same here, except the bass. The bass comes in randomly at chorus, and it's quite bad. I was listening to blackened in a car the other day, and sounded pretty bad bass-wise compared to RTL/KEA stuff I normally listen to.

I've said this before, but bad quality or not, the rythm tone kicks a[U]s[/U]s.

I didnt think it was that bad either, I'll listen to it again...

Justice is my favorite album of all time. I can't hear the bass but rare spots so I don't really think about that. Production wise I think it's good. Not the best but not bad. Justice was pretty much Metallica by themselves though.

I usualy have a hard time hearing bass in Metallica. Not as much as before but still, its in realy low in the mix.

But yeah, AJFA is probably my favorite Metallica album.

NP Opeth - Forest of October

And hence why the production was bad, because it was the basically band producing it with pretty much no prior knowledge of sound engineering. That's why the drums are pushed to the front, the bass guitar is non-existant, and from what I remember, the leads sounded bad. Rick Rubin's production ftw.

Hearing the bass in any album but AJFA is easy if you play bass. The highest it's been in the mix was probably ReLoad or Kill 'Em All, ironically.

[QUOTE=BLS_Infernus]He did one album with Viovoid, then there is Echo Brian and he has a new one that I don't know what it's called. It's not metal or rock, anything like that.[/QUOTE]
I seem to recall Jason was in Flotsam & Jetsam before joining Metallica, but that site doesn't mention it, so maybe he wasn't?

[QUOTE=vashts80]Hearing the bass in any album but AJFA is easy if you play bass. The highest it's been in the mix was probably ReLoad or Kill 'Em All, ironically.[/QUOTE]
I think Master is easiest to hear the bass on, but maybe that's just me...

[QUOTE=Chu]I seem to recall Jason was in Flotsam & Jetsam before joining Metallica, but that site doesn't mention it, so maybe he wasn't?[/QUOTE]

I've never heard of them but from what someone else posted he was in that band.

Doomsday for the Deceiver
Release Date: July, 1986
Record Label: Metal Blade Records
Catalog Number: 3984-14077-2
Produced by Brian Slagel and Flotsam and Jetsam

1. Hammerhead (6:14) (Jason Newsted)
2. Iron Tears (3:50) (Jason Newsted)
3. Desecrator (3:46) (Jason Newsted)
4. Fade to Black (2:04) (Jason Newsted, Jennifer Lowe)
5. Doomsday for the Deceiver (9:10) (Jason Newsted)
6. Metalshock (8:14) (Jason Newsted, Eric A.K.)
7. She Took an Axe (5:13) (Jason Newsted)
8. U.L.S.W. (4:19) (Jason Newsted, Ed Carlson)
9. Der Fuhrer (5:45) (Jason Newsted)
10. Flotzilla (6:09) (Flotsam and Jetsam)

I guess I was off on the "by himself" part, but regardless. They're an underground thrash band from Phoenix. That album and their 2005 album Dreams of Death were both amazing.

Flotsam & Jetsam is a good band, everyone should listen to them!

I have a cover of Battery, which is apparantly by Flotsam & Jetsam, easily the best metal tone imo, everything about the song is better then the original imo, except the first short solo thing isn't as good as Hammett's.. In fact no one can do that solo as good as Hammett's CD Recording, even on S&M he fails.. (imo)

How good's Jason's "****e..-Battery!" at the end of the chant...

I wouldn't really say they're underground.

They're not necessarily underground in the metal scene, but even in the metal scene they're not as popular as say In Flames or Metallica.

Few bands are as popular as Metallica, In Flames, Maiden etc...

But still, I understand what you're saying, I just think it's mis-use of the term...

It's like a band like Sadus..they're not nearly as popular as they should be. Honestly, I think the only reason I heard of Sadus was because I fell in love with DiGiorgio's Death/Control Denied work and looked at all the other projects/bands he's worked in (Sadus obviously being his "main" band, as he was one of the founders)

DiGiorio as in the bassist on Iced Earth's Horror Show ?

Yes. He was on "Horror Show," he played on Death's "Human" and "Individual Thought Patterns," (as well as being in pre-production for a couple more of the albums), Control Denied's "The Fragile Art of Existance," Sadus's discography, etc etc.

Yeah I knew about Death...not realy about the other stuff.

I've only heard is stuff on Horror Show though. I plan on getting Individual Though Patterns soon...

[QUOTE=vashts80]Control Denied[/QUOTE]
Was that Chuck's other project?

Yeah, the more classic metal one. Definitely check it out, it has some of Steve's best work outside of Sadus.