I'm very interested in getting Istanbuls, and wonder which line suits well for say progressive/metal/experimental/hardcore/post-hardcore type of sound, mainly experimental and progressive. Thanks.

i want to replace all my cymbals:
I play rock,metal,punk mainly
+New hats ( maybe 14" new beats??)
+a bright sonding crash
+a dark sounding crash
+a splash
+a decent ride.
+china

[QUOTE=psychocream]i want to replace all my cymbals:
I play rock,metal,punk mainly
+New hats-14'' paiste soundegde, 15'' Sabian AA regular, 14'' AAX stage hats
+A Custom
+K Custom/HHX
+Meinl Byzance
+Paiste 2oo2, A Ping Ride, A Sweet Ride, AA Raw Dry Bell Ride
+Paiste 2oo2 Novo, Zildjian Oriental China Trash, Sabian AA, Sabian AAXtreme [/QUOTE]


there ya go

^^ that really confusing. sizes and stuff?

listen to them and give them a try.

ok im going drum centre this saterday, you can test em out

[quote=DethChamber999]A ride with almost no sustain or shouls i say wash? and good stick definition and almost all ping and a cutting bell?[/quote]
If you want a slightly jazzier ride, the K Custom Dry works well also.

[QUOTE=psychocream]i want to replace all my cymbals:
I play rock,metal,punk mainly
+New hats ( maybe 14" new beats??)
+a bright sonding crash
+a dark sounding crash
+a splash
+a decent ride.
+china[/QUOTE]

For a china, look at UFIP Tigars. They are aggressive, and in your face.

i would shoot for a whole lot then just a 'decent' ride :p

maybe a 22" HH rock?

[QUOTE=psychocream]i want to replace all my cymbals:
I play rock,metal,punk mainly
+New hats ( maybe 14" new beats??)
[/QUOTE]

its all you need :cool:

[QUOTE=SkacoreDrummer]Thats an awesome idea.




If you're a moron and want to crack you're ride.[/QUOTE]


thats only what my drum teacher does with moongel and an o-ring, and hes only been playing for 20+years, and only has a ride thats 10 years old, so phil your right, it will destroy your cymbals, with all the many years of playing youve had.

muffling cymbals is the dumbest thing ever. +1

and drumaster your a giant wanker.

[QUOTE=drumaster]thats only what my drum teacher does with moongel and an o-ring, and hes only been playing for 20+years, and only has a ride thats 10 years old, so phil your right, it will destroy your cymbals, with all the many years of playing youve had.[/QUOTE]
and my old teacher has been playing for 46 years, and he still chokes the sticks and pushes into his cymbals. those 46 years doesnt make him right. phil is actually 100% right on this one.

[QUOTE=aznriceball]i would shoot for a whole lot then just a 'decent' ride :p

maybe a 22" HH rock?[/QUOTE]

well its gota be like sutible for the types of music i play, good sound wen i hit the bell. ect, ect. and maybe a bit suited for jazz/blues aswell.

So far :
Hats-14" new beats
bright crash- a custom
dark crash- k custom
splash- Meinl Byzance (unsure, more suggestions ?)
ride-? A Ping Ride, A Sweet Ride, AA Raw Dry Bell Ride, 22" HH rock
china-UFIP Tigars, Zildjian Oriental China Trash, Sabian AA, Sabian AAXtreme

[QUOTE=psychocream]well its gota be like sutible for the types of music i play, good sound wen i hit the bell.[I]no, wait, i want it to sound good when i dont hit the bell too[/I]. ect, ect. and maybe a bit suited for jazz/blues aswell.

So far :
Hats-14" new beats
bright crash- a custom 18" projection
dark crash- k custom dark crash 18"
splash- 10" hhx evolution splash or 10" HH splash
ride-HH Raw Dry Bell Ride
china- zildjian oriental china trash, sabian HHX china, paiste novo china. [/QUOTE]
there ya be.

Hats-14" new beats
bright crash- a custom 18" projection
dark crash- k custom dark crash 18"
splash- 10" hhx evolution splash or 10" HH splash- no idea
ride-HH Raw Dry Bell Ride-size ?
china- zildjian oriental china trash-size ?


cheers styler for narrowing it down :chug:

[QUOTE=psychocream]Hats-14" new beats
bright crash- a custom 18" projection
dark crash- k custom dark crash 18"
splash- 10" hhx evolution splash or 10" HH splash- no idea
ride-HH Raw Dry Bell Ride-size ?
china- zildjian oriental china trash-size ?


cheers styler for narrowing it down :chug:[/QUOTE]
the evolution splash is abit thinner than the HH splash, the HH is abit more airy if your looking for a really bright sound, while the evo is more a buttery explosion type of splash. for lack of being able to explain it.

i believe the HH only comes in one size, i cant remember though, if it comes in more than one. a bigger ride will have more resonance and a good bit more wash, while a smaller one will be more controlled. about the china, the same applies.

the smaller, it will have more bite with less resonance, while the bigger ones will explode when you hit them and will go on for a second or two.

its basically all preference. i gave you pretty versatile sizes on all the other cymbals. dont buy any just cause we said so. you might completely hate them.

thats why i am going to try them out first :)

bless you sir.

[QUOTE=Seafroggys]its all you need :cool:[/QUOTE]


unless u like....ya know....2oo2s....or HHX groove....or don't masturbate on new beats before going to bed

who said i masterbate to new beats? what? who told you? ill kill them!

[QUOTE=TTTSNB]If you want a slightly jazzier ride, the K Custom Dry works well also.[/QUOTE]
I thought jazzier rides had alot of wash?

I play heavy rock, and im looking for new hats. im thinking, guess..................new beats! who'd have known!

Am i right in saying HHX groove are in stiff competition with these or are they non comparable.

new beats are about £50 cheaper which sounds even more in euro. i cant go wrong with these really can i? i do like to vary my sound using dirrerent strokes when playing the hats.

[QUOTE=styler]who said i masterbate to new beats? what? who told you? ill kill them![/QUOTE]

now we know how you get such creamy tones out of them

^^hahah, sick..heh.

okay Im looking to replace my gross 18" z cutom med crash, and Im looking at either for certain reasons...
a Meinl 18" Byzance Brilliant Med Crash, or a 18" Istanbul Agop Alchemy Med Crash...

Okay, im basically asking for a comparison, between the 3 cymbals, or opinions if anyone has played on one. I dunno if the z and stannie are similar, on recordings they have a lot clsoer tone... but Opinions!! =)

[quote=DethChamber999]I thought jazzier rides had alot of wash?[/quote]
Well what I meant is its a very dry, but darker cymbal.

The byzance is going to be full bodied and a wider sounding crash , the Alchemy is going to sound cleaner and sharper with a narrower sound. Z custom is going to sound bad.

i play in a metal band and would like a loud, bright ride with lots of ping. I would also like a 20" Crash but would like to look in Meinl and Paiste as i have recently heard my mates cymbals and they are awsome.

I was wondering if anyone could recomend any decent cymbals by these companies. I have about £350 to spend...thanks

Meinl MB20's

MB20s would be an excellent choice if you wanted to go Meinl.

WR won't agree with me but try some of the following paistes out:

Crashes:
Sig. power crash
Sig. Full Crash
2002 Power Crash
2002 Wild Crash
RUDE Thin Crash

Rides:
21" Sig. Dry Heavy Ride
22" Sig. Power Ride
22" 2002 Heavy Ride
22" 2002 Rock Ride
22" 2002 Rock Bell Ride

I'm in Aus so I wouldn't know how much they would cost sorry.