Yeah, just go back and listen to the music he did before with Peach for quality from Justin, he WAS peach IMO, he even sang on a track called Dougal. No wonder Tool snapped him up so quickly

disposition

my thoughts on disposition
i kind of think it is aobut a relationship of any sort and there just sitting there and there waiting for osmeone to make a move to talk well thats what i always picture in my mind i also kinda thing the weather=mood the albums mood changes anyone else kinda think that

Disposition, Relection and Triad used to be one larger song, so its interesting to see if the meanings behind each are viewed in a similar light or whether they have taken on new forms. I do agree with the change in the albums mood, it certinally is one of the more subdued pieces of music Too l have worked on, as it encorporates new instruments from Maynard along with new riff ideas from Justin and Adam. I havent analysed the lyrics fully myself yet, I concentrate more on the instrumentals usually, but like I said, once I get time, il share my thoughs on the song/s again.

Good to see this returning to the thread though, a bit of intelligent thought collaborating and sharing

yeah the new exotic instruments were brilliant im gonna post aobut parabol when i get my thoughts up i wish we could do about a perfect circle thats a walk in the park

Nothing stopping APC conversations, 99% of Tool fans love to talk about APC as well. The lyrics are less deep though I admit, as it is Maynard's 'vacation' band in a way, but he still puts some good thoughts into the lyrics

[/I]third eye

my thoughts on third eye
ive always thought third eye was more than just about opening your third eye its kinda been about some mentally challenged guy and he goes to this park "came out to watch you play why you running away" cuz if anyone does that they claim he is a paedophile and he just wants to get away i know i ahve ****ed up meanings but i try meh

I'am a very large Tool fan. I own all tool albums including the Tool string orchestra piece and seen them as well as APC 4 times. But tool fans really do make me think. The inner meanings of there songs are very interesting and always contreversial but I really think you need to leave your rooms or basements and live your lives. I enjoy listening to tool late at night and am always intregued with this magnificent band which may be the most talented 1-4 on the planet but if your gonna spend hours writing, picking apart songs for meaning, you should sit and think about your own meanings in life and not worry about Marnard disliking religion (by the way, i dislike religion as well) or talk about the "walls" of racial divide (i'am totally against rascism) or ramble on about satans special brownies (dieier von satan). Tool is about provoking thought in its listeners, not tearing apart what maynards (or any other members) thoughts are. You need to take an "intermission" and take Tool for the pure musical beauty and menevillence that it is and not worry about which churches are wrong or female prostitutes with male genitalia. This is why i never liked tool fans in general, because there far to serious. Like the gentlmen/woman that started this thread. What is "don't spam or you'll regret it" supposed to mean. Is he/she gonna kill me or put a bug in my computer or terminate me from this thread. He/she lives in a world of rules where anything that isn't part of the plan isn't endorsed because he/she trying to be a god and control the flow of thought in his/hers and other peoples lives and free thinking is the basis of tool. This individual is trying to be somesort of god and the idea of god is somthing which maynard does not endorse so basically you are defying everthing you say you stand for by hindering free thought. I like, listen to, and play punk music which really stands for free thinking. Not crappy pop punk, but classic punk rock like the dead kennedys and the clash and operation ivy, all of which deal with real life issues, unlike Tool. Issues of government, racism, sexism, ect. conflicts that happen and effect our every day lives. Im sure many of you discard me as a punk lovin' loser that has a mohawk, and is angry at my parents, and just wants to make noise and has little muscianship. None of those statments are true. The important part is that Tool is a superior band to nearly all but i'am more of a tool fan than most of you, as i live in the tool mindset, live free thinking and not worry about what maynard thinks about the subject of the week even though he is right much more often than not. I don't live by artificaily placed rules that this thread is really about and most tool fans in all fairness. Most of you follow Maynard and his lyrics like a bible, disecting his words and trying to discover what makes him tick. Well, Mayanrd aswell as myself don't want you to take that path of blind belife. Im not sure if you found this helpful, you probably want to steamroll my crusty remains on the pavment of your driveway, but i think this is what Tool is really about. Tool's greatness is at a level which no words cannot describe but i think Maynard has a hidden message that your just not getting. Contradict yourselfs as you may, your living the lives you say you hate. thank you and good night.

Dude....
it must be relieving to get that off your chest, hey??!
I assume you realised that most of us...well me, anyway...would take exception to what you wrote. If Tool is about provoking thought, then why should we keep those thoughts bottled up, it seems like a logical idea to have a thread such as this in which to share them. One man's "provoked thought" is another's "tearing apart" I guess.

For one, you belittle anyone who dares to dissect the meaning of a maynard lyric, claiming your own superiority for taking an interest in an alternate way. It seems to me that you're proscribing your veiw to us - I.e. that anyone who picks apart a song is blindly following, rather than discovering, therefore we shouldn't attempt such a dissection.
You're entitled to your opinion of course. But I don't think that having a different opinion means you can develop a superiority complex.
I agree that some analysts can go a little far and attach a concrete definition to a song, or perhaps get a little sacred about our fave band.
But i think most would agree that decyphering meaning in lyrics as is done in this thread is, to use a cliche, more a jounrey than a destination. As long as I don't let my vision become obscured, I think pondering these meanings is a worthy past-time, as I am fascinated by the way each tool song reflects different interpretations depending the light it is held under.
I think the anti-spam thing was meant to encourage free-speech in here, rather than hinder it, and yes, i agree that it may have worded a little strongly, but i didn't really take offence, cause I gave the thread starter the benefit of the doubt at being a reasonable person.
As to Tool having no connection to "real-life issues" like "government, racism, sexism etc" I'm sure most would argue very strongly against that. I think the theme of Tool is to evolve, see reality and question our actions, which in a nutshell encompasses all the above topics. Maybe the specifics aren't mentioned, like an abstract painting, but the subject can still be there, you let your thinking spiral out a little.
The difference is, that I am willing to admit that I may be wrong, and that its possible for this interpretation to be correct simulatneously with opposing veiws. Such is the beauty of free and open discussion.
For now I think the idea you talk about - living in the tool free-thinking mindset - is better practised than preached (myself included since i'm preaching at the moment, methinks). I think having this openness would preclude the assumptions you make about how we percieve others, and other styles like punk music.
I apologize for ranting for so long, but I felt a reply was justified. I'm content just to follow my will and whim - who knows, we just go where no ones been.
And that'd be a neat trick.
Cheers,
a_u_m

man you do put up a good fight and i know what you mean aobut tool fans but this is just really a bit of fun dont take it too seriously

First negative coment i've read here, and it sadness me to read it. I must state the other side of the argument.

[QUOTE]but I really think you need to leave your rooms or basements and live your lives[/QUOTE]

I think sterotyping people on here is harsh, most of us are creative individuals who when not sharing our ideas, are out creating music, art, or simply leading their lives how they see fit.

[QUOTE]Tool is about provoking thought in its listeners, not tearing apart what maynards (or any other members) thoughts are.[/QUOTE]

Right and wrong. It does provoke thoughts by analysing the lyrics and melodies and drawing our own ideas from them, not trying to find the exact meaning that was meant. However, there are some fans who are more into individual members, and find facination in the way they think. This is why some will look deeper at lyrics.

[QUOTE]This is why i never liked tool fans in general, because there far to serious[/QUOTE]

Look for other posts from me or any other poster here. You will see that most of us are far from 'serious'

[QUOTE]Like the gentlmen/woman that started this thread. What is "don't spam or you'll regret it" supposed to mean. Is he/she gonna kill me or put a bug in my computer or terminate me from this thread. He/she lives in a world of rules where anything that isn't part of the plan isn't endorsed because he/she trying to be a god and control the flow of thought in his/hers and other peoples lives and free thinking is the basis of tool. [/QUOTE]

Personal insult there to ToolOwnsYou, I know for a fact that it ws not a form of censorship. Read other threads on this site for spam, and you will see that threads are taken off point by mindless 'Tool r teh cool, metallica suxs' rubbish. Its this that the threadstarter was wanting to prevent, not censoring any opinion. And I stand by him for that.

[QUOTE]Not crappy pop punk, but classic punk rock like the dead kennedys and the clash and operation ivy, all of which deal with real life issues, unlike Tool[/QUOTE]

Music does not have to be focused on real life issues, THATS censorship if you only allow music to be about real life. But to say Tool dont deal with day to day issues, I really think you should give their lyrics another look. I find the clash a great band, and what they did for music isn't overlooked by me, but they said their message in their own way, just like Tool
[QUOTE]
but i'am more of a tool fan than most of you, as i live in the tool mindset, live free thinking and not worry about what maynard thinks about the subject of the week even though he is right much more often than not.[/QUOTE]

Arrogance. The tool mindset? Sounds like a set way of life, governed by the rule that you must think freely, which contradicts the idea you're against.

[QUOTE]but i think Maynard has a hidden message that your just not getting.[/QUOTE]

So after complaining that we shouldn't be analysing the lyrics and meanings, you admit there is a greater hidden meaning there? So why shouldnt we try and find it?



I hope fellow Tool fans, or just fans of free speech, expression, etc will take note of both these posts, and see how varied fans can be. Like the poster finished on someone elses lyrics, i think the best way to sum it up would be maynards own comment 'Analyse and criticise as much as you want, but remember, at the end of the day, its just music. Just sit down and listen once in a while, open your mind and just enjoy.

just stop now there is no point continuing this conversation

theelburritos: you're a walking contradiction, just like adam_jones_is_god said.

you say that you're a bigger tool fan than most people, yet you bash tool fans and make generalizations about them. yes, there are crazy, over-the-top tool fans out there, but most of them aren't on this forum.

[QUOTE=Wanker]theelburritos: you're a walking contradiction, just like adam_jones_is_god said.
QUOTE]

Phew, misread that at first, good to see some support from fans. But I think that discussing it any further is pointless, its a tool thread, not a fan opinion on fan thread. Lets put this whole episode behind and get back to sharing more positive ideas, over a nice cold one :chug:

Case dismissed :smash:

has anyone heard zuam?
im interested in them i havnt heard of them until i went on this site what are they like?

[QUOTE=Adam Jones is GOD]stumpetioto, thank you! I've been after that article for ages, as I was discussing Enochian with someone on here pages back, and couldn't find that story. Some of the articles on toolband are fascinating, although dried up recently. And for any regular to the site who hasnt found the secret stuff (hidden in the 'meat'), read the rennes experience too, as well as see the hidden images[/QUOTE]

There is hidden stuff on the site????? I haven't found anything! Help please?

Ill send you a scren shot of the hidden locations soon, ill put it up here
But i suppose its easier to describe, you know the strange piece of meat on the left under the TV screen? There are two links there, move your mouse over it till it changes, theres one about half way down, and one in the narrow part at the top

where the **** is toolowns you lately?

He was on 2 days ago, but never posted. I know he used to post from work mainly, so maybe he's not had the time. Pity, as he had some really intelligent comments

aye he did
you said you have live footage of them where did you get that?

Via file sharing im afraid :( But someone posted a link to a good site to get live videos somewhere on here, search through the pages for it. It has some great one on there

ffs i just got the patient live im dl now what would be the best site to get live footage off them?

im getting the live vid where he sits on the fan^_^

[QUOTE=Adam Jones is GOD]Ill send you a scren shot of the hidden locations soon, ill put it up here
But i suppose its easier to describe, you know the strange piece of meat on the left under the TV screen? There are two links there, move your mouse over it till it changes, theres one about half way down, and one in the narrow part at the top[/QUOTE]

I found it. Thanks a lot man.

[QUOTE=Adam Jones is GOD]First negative coment i've read here, and it sadness me to read it. I must state the other side of the argument.



I think sterotyping people on here is harsh, most of us are creative individuals who when not sharing our ideas, are out creating music, art, or simply leading their lives how they see fit.



Right and wrong. It does provoke thoughts by analysing the lyrics and melodies and drawing our own ideas from them, not trying to find the exact meaning that was meant. However, there are some fans who are more into individual members, and find facination in the way they think. This is why some will look deeper at lyrics.



Look for other posts from me or any other poster here. You will see that most of us are far from 'serious'



Personal insult there to ToolOwnsYou, I know for a fact that it ws not a form of censorship. Read other threads on this site for spam, and you will see that threads are taken off point by mindless 'Tool r teh cool, metallica suxs' rubbish. Its this that the threadstarter was wanting to prevent, not censoring any opinion. And I stand by him for that.



Music does not have to be focused on real life issues, THATS censorship if you only allow music to be about real life. But to say Tool dont deal with day to day issues, I really think you should give their lyrics another look. I find the clash a great band, and what they did for music isn't overlooked by me, but they said their message in their own way, just like Tool


Arrogance. The tool mindset? Sounds like a set way of life, governed by the rule that you must think freely, which contradicts the idea you're against.



So after complaining that we shouldn't be analysing the lyrics and meanings, you admit there is a greater hidden meaning there? So why shouldnt we try and find it?



I hope fellow Tool fans, or just fans of free speech, expression, etc will take note of both these posts, and see how varied fans can be. Like the poster finished on someone elses lyrics, i think the best way to sum it up would be maynards own comment 'Analyse and criticise as much as you want, but remember, at the end of the day, its just music. Just sit down and listen once in a while, open your mind and just enjoy.[/QUOTE]

You said it man! :thumb:

[QUOTE=theelburritos]I'am a very large Tool fan. I own all tool albums including the Tool string orchestra piece and seen them as well as APC 4 times. But tool fans really do make me think. The inner meanings of there songs are very interesting and always contreversial but I really think you need to leave your rooms or basements and live your lives. I enjoy listening to tool late at night and am always intregued with this magnificent band which may be the most talented 1-4 on the planet but if your gonna spend hours writing, picking apart songs for meaning, you should sit and think about your own meanings in life and not worry about Marnard disliking religion (by the way, i dislike religion as well) or talk about the "walls" of racial divide (i'am totally against rascism) or ramble on about satans special brownies (dieier von satan). Tool is about provoking thought in its listeners, not tearing apart what maynards (or any other members) thoughts are. You need to take an "intermission" and take Tool for the pure musical beauty and menevillence that it is and not worry about which churches are wrong or female prostitutes with male genitalia. This is why i never liked tool fans in general, because there far to serious. Like the gentlmen/woman that started this thread. What is "don't spam or you'll regret it" supposed to mean. Is he/she gonna kill me or put a bug in my computer or terminate me from this thread. He/she lives in a world of rules where anything that isn't part of the plan isn't endorsed because he/she trying to be a god and control the flow of thought in his/hers and other peoples lives and free thinking is the basis of tool. This individual is trying to be somesort of god and the idea of god is somthing which maynard does not endorse so basically you are defying everthing you say you stand for by hindering free thought. I like, listen to, and play punk music which really stands for free thinking. Not crappy pop punk, but classic punk rock like the dead kennedys and the clash and operation ivy, all of which deal with real life issues, unlike Tool. Issues of government, racism, sexism, ect. conflicts that happen and effect our every day lives. Im sure many of you discard me as a punk lovin' loser that has a mohawk, and is angry at my parents, and just wants to make noise and has little muscianship. None of those statments are true. The important part is that Tool is a superior band to nearly all but i'am more of a tool fan than most of you, as i live in the tool mindset, live free thinking and not worry about what maynard thinks about the subject of the week even though he is right much more often than not. I don't live by artificaily placed rules that this thread is really about and most tool fans in all fairness. Most of you follow Maynard and his lyrics like a bible, disecting his words and trying to discover what makes him tick. Well, Mayanrd aswell as myself don't want you to take that path of blind belife. Im not sure if you found this helpful, you probably want to steamroll my crusty remains on the pavment of your driveway, but i think this is what Tool is really about. Tool's greatness is at a level which no words cannot describe but i think Maynard has a hidden message that your just not getting. Contradict yourselfs as you may, your living the lives you say you hate. thank you and good night.[/QUOTE]

I know this case was dismissed, but I wanted to add my personal f.uck you to the ignorant dick face who wrote that. You have no clue waht you're talking about. If you are such a big tool fan, you would not be stereotyping us. I myself look into the personal band memebers opinions a lot. I don't take their lyrics as the bible, I just like the way they think, and I enjoy reading their opinions. There is nothing wrong with thinking about Tool's lyrics, and dissecting them. Thats what is so great about Tool, that it is actually very stimulating to look deeper in to their lyrics. And maybe just go where no one's been. Anyways, this is your opinion, and if this is how you feel about tool fans, etc. Then that's fine. But I think you're an ignorant dickface and need to stop making such generalizations about us.

So whats the deal on Zaum? Was a previous band memeber of Tool in Zaum?

I know danny drummed for them, but apart from that, I dont know much else. Not living in America means I can only use the net to find out about bands, and I cant find much on them. But they did open for tool once, so they must be worth a listen

just got some tool live footage^_^_^_^_^_^_^_^_^_^_^_^_^_^_^_^_^

Which song? So far ive got the patient, lateralus, flood, H, eulogy and schism. All very illegal, as tool ban filming like other bands. But if they had released the DVD by now, then I wouldnt have to...

hey everybody, i just heard an amazing song by tool on the radio, ive never really paid attention to them and now i want to get an album. Any suggestions on what album to get

Aenima. Best starter album. Think this should be put at the top of the thread info like this, although I dont mind answering this again and again

(Where are you ToolOwnsYou? All is forgiven!)

lol i got lateralus push it soon third eye patient merkaba and im getting aenema and a whole live show and more im keeping myself busy

Sould keep you going till they tour again, its why I download them, it makes up for not eeing them yert (missed them on 3 occasions :( )

man i could of seen them onve on ozzfest but i wasnt massive into them and it wouldnt of been easy to get to i would of had to walk or some **** and then i couldnt get in cuz of my age but 3 times ****

Was that UK ozzfest 2002? Cos that was oppotunity 1 that I missed, thanks to lack of organisation. the other two were the two london dates, both sold out and couldnt get there in any case

yeah 2002 ireland but couldnt go mo fos....

here adams jones what is your favourite tool song(s)????

Listed them before on here, but its still a hard choice to make.

Pu**** (live version) for overall awesomeness, everything sounded right in it
The Grudge for how dark and brutal it sounds
4 Degrees as I love that riff!
Jerk - off, mainly because its the first Tool song I learned on guitar
The Patient as it was the first challenging guitar song I learned
Schisim as it was (ironically) the first Tool song I was aware of

But each song has special value to me, some weeks H will sound better than Parabola, then vice versa

It is like trying to choose one of your children, and people will have different best songs, but I think Pu**** live woud be on everyones list

lol true but i really love third eye for that solo that took me a while to learn there isnt one tool song but if i had to pick the most litend to tool song at the mo for me is reflection and patient

The Patient is an amazing song, I analysed the lyrics a while ago, but as an instrumental, the 'solo' still sounds spine tinglingly good even after 300+ listens. Adam makes pinch harmonics sound so easy, and the way he utilises the wah pedal and delay is awesome.

Third Eye solo is something I would lke to sit down and learn one day, but for now I only try and learn the songs I can play all the way through, third eye uses a lot of effect pedals that I could never afford at this curret time