Merkaba-1:

Okay I recorded something... not sure when it will clear, but here is the link...

[url]http://www.soundclick.com/updateband/SongInfoCharts.cfm?BandID=230699[/url]

Its of how i do the metal scream... but its not very full, so it isnt actually how I do it... people are here and I dont want to disturb the peace, lol.

I have been practicing for about a year now on and off, and now that I have a band I need to make sure im donig this properly. You should be able to tell somewhat if I am screwing up completely :).

Thanks man.

EDIT: Aight, i found out no one was home (haha) and I added a falsetto and a somewhat full scream/growl.

you got any tips on children of bodom type screaming?

also you said that low end growling is easy
could you explain it alittle of link me to someone that does?

[QUOTE=metaliq]Merkaba-1:

Okay I recorded something... not sure when it will clear, but here is the link...

[url]http://www.soundclick.com/updateband/SongInfoCharts.cfm?BandID=230699[/url]

Its of how i do the metal scream... but its not very full, so it isnt actually how I do it... people are here and I dont want to disturb the peace, lol.

I have been practicing for about a year now on and off, and now that I have a band I need to make sure im donig this properly. You should be able to tell somewhat if I am screwing up completely :).

Thanks man.


EDIT: Aight, i found out no one was home (haha) and I added a falsetto and a somewhat full scream/growl.[/QUOTE]

I think you need to get me a better link first! hehe

Ah yes! Im a loser. Here is the correct link man. Thanks.

[url]http://www.soundclick.com/bands/9/metaliqmusic.htm[/url]

They are now cleared and ready for downloading... :)

noone ever answers my questions eh?

Allright....here's my deal. I can do the really low death metal growls like glass casket (the heaviest vocals they do... see "In Between the Sheets" at about 1:27). I'm really pushing from my gut, keeping my mouth more closed than usual, and have my chin slightly more down that normal. I can also match the rest of the vocals ( -the clean part) but if I haven't been singing these ways in a while my throat has that "I feel like I might cough" kind of tingle after a bit of this. But after resting, doing more, resting, doing more.....I can do it continuously with no irritation. I've been singing a lot lately and haven't had irritation in.....well...a long time. Is this beginning irritation something I should be worried about or does my voice just need that breaking in? Also, I can do the Norma Jean type screaming, but I have to push harder to get it (once again....no irritation) which ends of overpowering the mic unless I hold it waaaaaaaay too far away. I think I might be depending too much on pushing from my gut but want your advice. I've been somewhat hessitant to use my throat to distort my voice because a friend in a band told me that doing this can take away from your range if you do it too much or in the wrong way. Just wondering if you could help me out here of if this is just a myth.

no one answered mine either........i feel so alone :upset:

[QUOTE=LivingDeadBoy]noone ever answers my questions eh?[/QUOTE]

All by myyy seheeeyelf, dont wanna be ...all by my seheeyelf....

sorry, but i dont know who poison the well is. But i guarantee they are either wailing a loud high note like a banshee, or they are forcefully singing any note in any pitch and rasping it off the back of their throats.

[QUOTE=Winter-seed...AKA b&h]okok one more question.....i know im a pain in the *** ay? :cool:
ok it feels like i got the scream now an im kinda happy with the sound of it...its not perfect but im assuming over time ill get better at it. This scream causes no pain excpt a small amount of scratching but now my falsetto is gone...could it be from over practicing or is this something bad...cause i shat my pants :confused:

heres my scream ........i did it in a song to sound cooler :naughty: haha nah its all good.
[url]http://www.soundclick.com/bands/3/gnikregrubmusic.htm[/url]
thanks for any advice given.[/QUOTE]
sounds good, but it sounds extremely hard. how much are you pushing? if its alot, you should try to find a way to get it without pushing so much. i cant tell though, so..... that could be why you get some scratching, and why your falsetto is gone. your falsetto shouldnt be gone. you might lose a not or two due to fatigue after a long time, or the quality will be shltty, but thats it. After a two and half hour session i usually feel like my falsetto is stronger, or at least more flexible. my sustain sucks cause of fatigue.

the thing is , with falsetto, your vibrating only the outer edges of the cords. so if youre wailing a hard chest voice youre really taxing that edge because in chest voice its closed and vibrating together a few hundred times a second. falsetto , they open up. so if you can , you want to scream from a falsetto openness, even if its not a high note. it only takes a few chest voice screams to get your cords heated and tired. if theyre swollen or got a mucous parka on then you can forget it.

"if theyre swollen or got a mucous parka on"
whats that mean.......
bad thing??will it go away???noooooooooo

^ if you've got that, your career is pretty much over dude!!I hope you dont have a mucous parka , fu[SIZE=2]c[/SIZE]k dude, you should ease off!!! dont sing for two weeks!



Haha, J/k
parka...a thick coat, like a winter eskimo coat, never heard of a parka? Da[SIZE=2]m[/SIZE]n, thought i was being clever...

hahahhahahaha geeze i though i was gonna blow up.

:thumb: thanks for that.

Hey Merkaba, you happen to check out those recordings? I am starting to doubt myself more and more now ;).

[QUOTE=shoot2kill]Allright....here's my deal. I can do the really low death metal growls like glass casket (the heaviest vocals they do... see "In Between the Sheets" at about 1:27). I'm really pushing from my gut, keeping my mouth more closed than usual, and have my chin slightly more down that normal. I can also match the rest of the vocals ( -the clean part) but if I haven't been singing these ways in a while my throat has that "I feel like I might cough" kind of tingle after a bit of this. But after resting, doing more, resting, doing more.....I can do it continuously with no irritation. I've been singing a lot lately and haven't had irritation in.....well...a long time. Is this beginning irritation something I should be worried about or does my voice just need that breaking in? Also, I can do the Norma Jean type screaming, but I have to push harder to get it (once again....no irritation) which ends of overpowering the mic unless I hold it waaaaaaaay too far away. I think I might be depending too much on pushing from my gut but want your advice. I've been somewhat hessitant to use my throat to distort my voice because a friend in a band told me that doing this can take away from your range if you do it too much or in the wrong way. Just wondering if you could help me out here of if this is just a myth.[/QUOTE]

well i mean, its hard to not get any irritation when you dont know where your limits are. its easy to go beyond those. but over time you figure them out and know how to dance around them so you stay growing but dont blast damage. Sounds like youre just growing to me.

Remember the mic is your friend. should be set up to be your friend. you wouldnt overpower your friend. So dont overpower the mic. yourre probably pushing too hard if you have to move it too far away from your normal singing position. you should be able to control the level with your internal working. it just helps to save your voice. It might take some work to get your rasp or whatever to occur at a lower level, but you win by gaining more stamina. it just depends on how hard youre pushing though. You just shouldnt have to push too hard, but if you cant pull your throat down enough, you will push harder to get the air to reach your throat to scrape. ya know.

And dont forget that just because your coming from the gut, it doesnt mean you have to push harder. you just support with the gut, but you dont have to squeeze it all the time. depends on what youre singing. but gut support is key. you should use it pretty much all the time and trim it off or add with respect to what you need. its not gonna be the same. the pressure might change ten times in one line, ya know. but youve still got that tank of pressure ready to be valved how you see fit, how the music sees fit. so dont think youre too dependant on it. just use it how you need it. you should be able to shift your diaphragm pressure around.

and yes, too much rasp just cuts off your throat and fatigues your cords. especially if youre tense. this is what i always talk about. you can get into lots of trouble with this. worse things than just losing range. so be sure to work on the isolation techniques and work on relaxing the throat and opening up. a coughing sensation is probably direct cord irritation. its good that youre getting out of that. find your limits.

You sound like youre on the right track. growing... just listen to your body. and find your limits, work around them, and youll continue.

show em my motto...

[QUOTE=metaliq]Hey Merkaba, you happen to check out those recordings? I am starting to doubt myself more and more now ;).[/QUOTE]

i can hear your doubt it in your voice. sound more confident dude! its right around your corner. You need diaphragm right now. youre not all too throaty, you are a bit, but youre just releasing air straight out mostly. you've got to dam it up behind the cords first. remember the cords are horizontal. this actually helped me alot, just this fact, and i still use the visualization, hell i was tonight on the way home.

I'm gonna put up a new clip soon to help hopefully. Its late right now. i might try to do one before work. so check back.

Alrighty, thanks! We messed around tonight, kinda spur of the moment, and i didnt fully warm up and i was drinking soda beforehand >.<. Sooo, here is something I must ask...

I can still do scales, but when i hit my falsetto, the lower section of it (sorry i suck at exmplaining) sounds pretty mute per-say. It has happened before, when i kinda scream wrong, but I was wondering what exactly that means. Is it my falsetto then that took some 'damage'?

Also! I am thinkin bout that throat coat tea you mentioned... you know how the nutrients are released when you boil it or heat it up or whatever? Well what if I was to bottle it, and drink it at room temp, would the nutrients and such still be floating around and be helpful? Thanks.

the falsettos sound is a little dampened because from over pushing, you've made your folds swell a little, and it makes it harder to thin them out to create falsetto

So would will be fine once the swelling goes down? Because usually it returns to normal within a day.

Can overpushing on your falsetto cause permanant damage ever? Or is it just temporary swelling?

when i scream, it doesnt even sound like a scream, its so easy to hear what im saying and theres barely any distortion in my voice, any tips?

[QUOTE=metaliq]Alrighty, thanks! We messed around tonight, kinda spur of the moment, and i didnt fully warm up and i was drinking soda beforehand >.<. Sooo, here is something I must ask...

I can still do scales, but when i hit my falsetto, the lower section of it (sorry i suck at exmplaining) sounds pretty mute per-say. It has happened before, when i kinda scream wrong, but I was wondering what exactly that means. Is it my falsetto then that took some 'damage'?

Also! I am thinkin bout that throat coat tea you mentioned... you know how the nutrients are released when you boil it or heat it up or whatever? Well what if I was to bottle it, and drink it at room temp, would the nutrients and such still be floating around and be helpful? Thanks.[/QUOTE]

hey man, the same thing happened to me(when i try to sing something in falsetto its more like a whisper) but its been about 4 days an its slowly returning to normal. I just kept drinking tea with honey, water an just humming stuff out an slowly pushing into my falsetto an its feeling alright.
So maybe try that :naughty:

[QUOTE=metaliq]Alrighty, thanks! We messed around tonight, kinda spur of the moment, and i didnt fully warm up and i was drinking soda beforehand >.<. Sooo, here is something I must ask...

I can still do scales, but when i hit my falsetto, the lower section of it (sorry i suck at exmplaining) sounds pretty mute per-say. It has happened before, when i kinda scream wrong, but I was wondering what exactly that means. Is it my falsetto then that took some 'damage'?

Also! I am thinkin bout that throat coat tea you mentioned... you know how the nutrients are released when you boil it or heat it up or whatever? Well what if I was to bottle it, and drink it at room temp, would the nutrients and such still be floating around and be helpful? Thanks.[/QUOTE]
the lower section is where you need extra flexibility becaues you going from head to falsetto. that will be lessened when youre swollen or mucousy.

yes, its basically from the swelling and the mucous that comes from that swelling.

the throat coat tea is just to help coat the throat. not the cords. it helps an irritated throat, which you might get from singing alot or especially screaming alot due to the amount of air passing through. Theres nothing you can drink that is directly beneficial to the cords because nothing touches them. it has to be digested and circulated through your whole body before reaching the cords. so thats why water and watching your nutrition are so vital!

[QUOTE=pointless_forever]when i scream, it doesnt even sound like a scream, its so easy to hear what im saying and theres barely any distortion in my voice, any tips?[/QUOTE]

practice the isolation stuff and relaxing. you have to feel like youre singing the note. youre singing the note! YOU ARE SINGING THE NOTE!!! only doing it harder, and adding some throat afterwards. but you just sing the note first. but the key is to do it with a relaxed larynx. not a squeezing tight one.

[QUOTE=metaliq]So would will be fine once the swelling goes down? Because usually it returns to normal within a day.

Can overpushing on your falsetto cause permanant damage ever? Or is it just temporary swelling?[/QUOTE]
well of course it can cause permanent damage. remember you dont have to increase push with pitch. learn to seperate the two and youll help yourself out.

[QUOTE=thee unsound]Note: Kurt Cobain "screaming" isn't screaming, its aggresive pitched singing and isn't something you can reallyteach, If you can't hit those notes you can't hit them[/QUOTE]

so, you mean that there's pretty much no way to get that sound in Smells Like Teen Spirit and In Bloom and so on without being naturally born with it, unless you smoke (which i'm not going to do)?

Merkaba...I know you're really busy and all, but is there any way you could like e-mail a bunch of info about screaming? I've been trying for a while, but I either push to hard and hurt my throat (but i stop as soon as it starts to hurt), or not enough and just kinda hiss. But I want to learn to do it.

[QUOTE=Rock_Out_Dudes]so, you mean that there's pretty much no way to get that sound in Smells Like Teen Spirit and In Bloom and so on without being naturally born with it, unless you smoke (which i'm not going to do)?[/QUOTE]

yea, if you listen to someone who doesnt know what they are talking about.
in other words, dont listen to someone that says anything like this guy did.

Its all the same thing. anyone can learn to rasp a note. will you be able to make it sound EXACTLY like your favorite singer? who knows, depends on a lot of things determined by your creator. otherwise. anyone can develop a good raspy scratchy note.

[QUOTE=StormX]Merkaba...I know you're really busy and all, but is there any way you could like e-mail a bunch of info about screaming? I've been trying for a while, but I either push to hard and hurt my throat (but i stop as soon as it starts to hurt), or not enough and just kinda hiss. But I want to learn to do it.[/QUOTE]

"...Gonna end up a big ol pile of them bones...."

Lazy bones!!

will someone else kinda get on this guys case for being lazy, im too lazy too!

Jos, "Show em my motto!!!"

Yeah, ok I'm lazy, then at least point me in the direction of the right threads? cause there's around 10 screaming threads, and several are a few hundred posts.

StormX, all the screaming threads are helpful.
Merk, i usually don't visit the screaming threads...therefore, i couldn't:
"SHOW 'EM HIS MOTTO!" ;)

uh, dammit man!

warmup, relaxed open throat, no pain no effect to the speaking voice, warm down.

hell, i guess thats it, i was thinking...i dont really have a mottoe if i cant remember what i always right. but i know its usually at least the jist of what i just wrote. hehe

[QUOTE=StormX]Yeah, ok I'm lazy, then at least point me in the direction of the right threads? cause there's around 10 screaming threads, and several are a few hundred posts.[/QUOTE]

ok, shameless plug time...go to Merkaba's voice help hotline...

[QUOTE=StormX]Merkaba...I know you're really busy and all, but is there any way you could like e-mail a bunch of info about screaming? I've been trying for a while, but I either push to hard and hurt my throat (but i stop as soon as it starts to hurt), or not enough and just kinda hiss. But I want to learn to do it.[/QUOTE]

Important things to keep in mind are this:

Warmup!
learn to isolate. its pricelss!
dont mix pitch with push. just because you go up in pitch doesnt mean that you need to go up in push. it should be choice, not automatic.
learn proper breath support
no pain ever, no affect to the speaking voice
warm down afterwards

I have another question. I dont know if you can answer this or not merkaba :).

Alright, a few bands use effects on their screaming, just to make it sound dirtier and stuff like that. One is Norma Jean, and check out their MP3 (good song...) here.... [url]http://www.purevolume.com/normajean/music[/url]

I was wondering what effects he uses on his voice and such? The distortion pedals we have dont work like that...

One more band with a different effect is Sinai Beach... mp3 is here: [url]http://www.purevolume.com/sinaibeach/music[/url]

So any help would be appreciated. Thanks a ton.

I'll try to check em out but i can already tell ya i dont know much about effects. i would use alot of reverb for like a falsetto scream but thats about it.

[QUOTE=metaliq]I have another question. I dont know if you can answer this or not merkaba :).

Alright, a few bands use effects on their screaming, just to make it sound dirtier and stuff like that. One is Norma Jean, and check out their MP3 (good song...) here.... [url]http://www.purevolume.com/normajean/music[/url]

I was wondering what effects he uses on his voice and such? The distortion pedals we have dont work like that...

One more band with a different effect is Sinai Beach... mp3 is here: [url]http://www.purevolume.com/sinaibeach/music[/url]

So any help would be appreciated. Thanks a ton.[/QUOTE]

i'll answer it
I treid some effects on my v300
got closest with slightly doubling and a slight dist.
and guitar dist.pedals won't work because they ,well they don't

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is citron is good thing or a no no for clearing the throath?
from like slime etc.

Hmm i should really get myself one of those v300s. $160 tho... hm...

Alrighty, thanks :). Now i just got to ponder if i should do it or not, hehe.

[QUOTE=EcolliJK]i'll answer it
I treid some effects on my v300
got closest with slightly doubling and a slight dist.
and guitar dist.pedals won't work because they ,well they don't

+
is citron is good thing or a no no for clearing the throath?
from like slime etc.[/QUOTE]

yes for your throat. but im guessing youre talking about your cords? no fluid can touch them remember? the only way to clear your cords is to stay hydrated with water. juice is not bad but water and fruit is better. not sugar waters and drinks. when you get mucous sing it away, gargalling with warm salt water or water and a bit of apple cidar vinegar. Technically you dont want to clear your throat or cough. but i do it, with no sound though!

hey merkaba, could u check out "thursday-wind up" if u can .....or any other thursday song that has screaming .....its all the same i guess, and tell me whe technique he is using. He sounds like he screams but it dont sound like its in flasetto an sound like a whiny cry :amaze: whenever i try it ,it just goes from a high falsetto scream to just singing :confused:
So if u could check it out an give me any advice that would be cool

hi, i was wondering if anyone had any pointers for my scream. My friends say my scream sounds like alexisonfire if that helps. I got a good "rumble/raspy" thing goin on, but i was wondering how i could improve my acual scream if you know what i mean. Any help would be great, thanks alot.