tsk, no way in hell do all the songs sound the same. Aenima is also my favorite Tool album...Every single song on that record is awesome. H. is probably one of my favorites from it.

LOL, thats bull s.hit man. All the songs on Aenima sound the same. lol. That's so not true. Thats another thing I realy like about Tool. Each song is different. THey don't sound the same at all. Aenima is also my favorite Tool album.

Each album has sounded different because unlike most bands around, they have progressed by taking new influences, reaching out to new areas for lyrics/melodies and keep pushing the envelope.
Although one thing I always wondered, there was a large change between Opiate and Undertow, as the lyrics gained more meaning, and the instruments became deeper in their sound. It seems to have been their biggest change, so does anyone have any idea what suddenly influenced them so much, or were they just relasing what trhey had always wanted to release but couldn't with Opiate?

[QUOTE=Adam Jones is GOD]Each album has sounded different because unlike most bands around, they have progressed by taking new influences, reaching out to new areas for lyrics/melodies and keep pushing the envelope.
Although one thing I always wondered, there was a large change between Opiate and Undertow, as the lyrics gained more meaning, and the instruments became deeper in their sound. It seems to have been their biggest change, so does anyone have any idea what suddenly influenced them so much, or were they just relasing what trhey had always wanted to release but couldn't with Opiate?[/QUOTE]

Opiate's lyrics seemed to be much more straightforward as opposed to their later albums hidden meaning and metaphors within metaphors. Opiate was just something I think they wanted to release, to show their angry, agressive side. And you are right, the bigggest change is from Opiate to Undertow.

[QUOTE=deadohiosky9]Opiate's lyrics seemed to be much more straightforward as opposed to their later albums hidden meaning and metaphors within metaphors. Opiate was just something I think they wanted to release, to show their angry, agressive side. And you are right, the bigggest change is from Opiate to Undertow.[/QUOTE]

It was a well structured first album though if you look at it, as it had the heavier, less thought provoking tracks at the start, then the 2 live tracks which gave some indication of what they were capable of live, then finishing on the title track, which contained a lot of opinions on religion, setting the tone for the next album. In fact, if you put most of their tracks in order, there is a progression through them all, not just from album to album (or is it just me?)

Ya it was very well structured. Introduced them well. Showed what they were capable of, and what they were like. Also brought in some of their opinions, and interesting art work.

i was listening to lateralus last night with heaphones and really paying attention. i found when i really payed attention i could hear the depth of adam jones for the first time. I only ever payed attention danny and maynard before. I really could see adams depth and style. Especially during the first 9 tracks or so (then i fell asleep as it was like 2 in the morning). many people miss the true talent of jones, imo.

[QUOTE=BunnYzWillEAtYoU]i was listening to lateralus last night with heaphones and really paying attention. i found when i really payed attention i could hear the depth of adam jones for the first time. I only ever payed attention danny and maynard before. I really could see adams depth and style. Especially during the first 9 tracks or so (then i fell asleep as it was like 2 in the morning). many people miss the true talent of jones, imo.[/QUOTE]

:wave: I dont

But yes, especially if you're listening late at night, the different things you will find in the songs is the reason I listen to them as much as I do. I found the opposite of you, i've only just discovered the depth to danny's drumming, im usually tuned into Adams riffs

[QUOTE=Adam Jones is GOD]:wave: I dont

But yes, especially if you're listening late at night, the different things you will find in the songs is the reason I listen to them as much as I do. I found the opposite of you, i've only just discovered the depth to danny's drumming, im usually tuned into Adams riffs[/QUOTE]

I usually pay attention to Adam's riffs, and Maynard's voice. But lately I've been paying more attention to Danny.

I want know who is has the better lyrics between in Manson and Tool in your guy's opinions, IMO manson cant touch tool.

Just read the Manson thread, so I get why you're asking. Obviously MJK lyrics are alot deeper than Mansons, his lyrics are getting too cliched IMO.

(and they never were great in the first place, just the odd clever one-liner)

[QUOTE=Adam Jones is GOD]Just read the Manson thread, so I get why you're asking. Obviously MJK lyrics are alot deeper than Mansons, his lyrics are getting too cliched IMO.

(and they never were great in the first place, just the odd clever one-liner)[/QUOTE]

:lol: yeah I figure that if that feedthretard guy gets to take a shot at tool, you guys can take a shot at manson

i want to get into more tool, but i dont have any money(I love APC tho)

[QUOTE=KingofDudes]:lol: yeah I figure that if that feedthretard guy gets to take a shot at tool, you guys can take a shot at manson

i want to get into more tool, but i dont have any money(I love APC tho)[/QUOTE]

I think we're a mature bunch here and wouldn't flame. But if he ever posted in here knocking Tool

*Gets shotgun*
Get offa my land, y'hillbilly (Two shots)
:chug:

And im glad to see another person willing to get into Tool, and of course, APC is a good starting point

[QUOTE=Adam Jones is GOD]I think we're a mature bunch here and wouldn't flame. But if he ever posted in here knocking Tool

*Gets shotgun*
Get offa my land, y'hillbilly (Two shots)
:chug:

And im glad to see another person willing to get into Tool, and of course, APC is a good starting point[/QUOTE]

hahaha the main reason that I was able to get into APC is because they have them on Rhapsody, but they dont have Tool(bastards).

If I ever get a job I plan on picking up Aenima and Lateralus :thumb:

Manson has good lyrics, but compared to Tool, no way man. Tool's lyrics blow him away. He has some good lines though. But his lyrics aren't as metaphoric or deep as Tool's.

Yes i completely agree. Tools lyrics are much better than mansons. . .way deeper and take alot more thought to process.

[QUOTE=Adam Jones is GOD]:wave: I dont

But yes, especially if you're listening late at night, the different things you will find in the songs is the reason I listen to them as much as I do. I found the opposite of you, i've only just discovered the depth to danny's drumming, im usually tuned into Adams riffs[/QUOTE]

ive been a drummer for five years. The first tool song i ever heard was Sober. When he nailed that opening fill, i stood up and went "****". Then i downloaded some of their stuff from kazaa (i dont do that anymore, its against my *religion* sort of). The next song i heard (other than schism) was the grudge. I just didnt understand like.... what the **** was happening. just had no idea. i really paid attention to the percussion. ive only been playing guitar for 3 years, so i didnt notice too much of adam jones. BTW, is his web site up yet?? And Maynards website too for that matter... ill check.

Their sites aren't up yet. Only Dany's is.

So is Justin going to have a site too?

[QUOTE=deadohiosky9]Their sites aren't up yet. Only Dany's is.[/QUOTE]

are you dead ohio sky at the toolshed? probably a dumb question.

ok tool fans. i feel like this is relevant. look what somebody tried to get away with in the Songwriting and lyrics forum. i had to stand up for my toolhood.
[url]www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4273395#post4273395post4273395[/url]

Ha! What a joke!

Yea thats about the most blatent tool rip off ive ever seen.

Mansons lyrics are far more shallow. But i feel he does carry some good lines and rhymes. My favourite is

[i]When you want it, goes away to fast. Times you hated, always seem to last. just remember, when you think you're free. The crack inside your fukin heart is me[/i]

Now compare that to my favourite tool line

[i]There's a shadow just behind me,
shrouding every breath I take,
making every promise empty,
pointing every finger at me.
Waiting like a stalking butler
who upon the finger rests.[/i]

They are so much deeper and metaphorical. The imagery shines through to me in these lines...more than the literal and true lyrics of manson

[QUOTE=Merkaba-1]ok tool fans. i feel like this is relevant. look what somebody tried to get away with in the Songwriting and lyrics forum. i had to stand up for my toolhood.
[url]www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4273395#post4273395post4273395[/url][/QUOTE]

Just goes to show the fine line between influenced and ripping off. I find the same when writing riffs, I often notice that i've stolen Adam's techniques, so its difficult to sound orginal. Although hearing other guitarists more often helps broaden my influences.

Dude I know! I do that a lot! And I'm like I don't want to copy him. It usually helps listening to some other guitarists.

[QUOTE=BunnYzWillEAtYoU]are you dead ohio sky at the toolshed? probably a dumb question.[/QUOTE]

I'm not deadohiosky from toolshed. I didn't even know there was a deadohiosky at toolshed. lol.

[QUOTE=deadohiosky9]Opiate's lyrics seemed to be much more straightforward as opposed to their later albums hidden meaning and metaphors within metaphors. Opiate was just something I think they wanted to release, to show their angry, agressive side. And you are right, the bigggest change is from Opiate to Undertow.[/QUOTE]

It is just the natural progression nearly all bands go through. A bands first album is almost always rougher, and more raw. Especially since the band is mostly used to live performances. As they progress, they work more and more in the studio and have a high budget, the albums usually become more polished.

Thats one of the only areas in which Tool is very typical.

Ya. You're right.

[QUOTE=Paranoidd]It is just the natural progression nearly all bands go through. A bands first album is almost always rougher, and more raw. Especially since the band is mostly used to live performances. As they progress, they work more and more in the studio and have a high budget, the albums usually become more polished.

Thats one of the only areas in which Tool is very typical.[/QUOTE]

Wise words, my friend.