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Hardest_Rocker 09-14-2004 10:45 PM

I dont like Slipknot. They are annoying nu-metal. The line "Slit your throat and f**k the wound" wtf? They need to not wear masks, not cuss so much, and if you can tell if a band is talented if you take the vocals out, andf the songs still enjoyable. Nothing special about there instruments. Except supposedly this drummer of there's.

mono_890 09-14-2004 11:00 PM

^Hey man, they may not be the most talented band, but they're out there every bloody night and they're charming.

Hardest_Rocker 09-14-2004 11:05 PM

sure. people say their new album sucks. it does but its not as annoying as the old stuff. im not just dissing them knowing nothing about them. i give bands chances. ive given slipknot too many.

Paranoidd 09-14-2004 11:23 PM

Slipknots best album = Mate. Feed. Kill. Repeat.

No Corey...makes it better right there.

FACT: Slipknot has gotten softer with each album.

paper2302 09-16-2004 03:24 PM

FACT:They haven't got softer on every Album.
Iowa is harder than The Self Titled.

Paranoidd 09-16-2004 03:26 PM

FACT: I don't think so.
FACT: What I think is fact.

MoX_KIll 09-16-2004 04:17 PM

Actaully Iowa was harder then there S/T but there both good

pyrofingerz 09-16-2004 04:28 PM

1. Sit It Out 2. Wait and Bleed 3. Duality 4. Disasterpiece 5. The Heretic Anthem 6. Pulse of the Maggots 7. My Plague 8. People=**** 9. (sic) 10. eyeless 11. The Blister Exists 12. Before I forget 13. Me Inside 14. The Nameless 15. Welcome 16. The Virus of Life 17. Liberate 18. New Abortion 19. Do Nothing/ Bitchslap 20. Surfacing What are you guys talking about? Slipknot is just as great as they've always been. Save for Danger- Keep Away of course.

darkthrone 09-16-2004 04:30 PM

slipknots first two albums r the only ones which i can actually listen to again and agian and never get bored of them. i reckon slipknot is the craziest album, iowa the heaviest and subliminal verses the darkest. too many gr8 songs to mention

pyrofingerz 09-16-2004 04:34 PM

Dude, how the **** can you call yourself the Hardest Rocker? **** you and your anti-metal outlook. [/I dont like Slipknot. They are annoying nu-metal.] **** you.

Scourge 09-16-2004 04:47 PM

I think is really impossible have a Slipknot thread without flaming :/, people dont respect each other, thats sad :upset:

Paranoidd 09-16-2004 06:19 PM

[QUOTE=pyrofingerz]Dude, how the **** can you call yourself the Hardest Rocker? **** you and your anti-metal outlook. [/I dont like Slipknot. They are annoying nu-metal.] **** you.[/QUOTE]

Not liking slipknot does not make him anti-metal.

I think everything they've done other then MFKR and half of the s/t was utter shyte. I can't stand Corey, I think everything he does is trash. Worst vocalist in metal right now, IMO.

The JoZ 09-16-2004 06:21 PM

[QUOTE=Paranoidd]FACT: I don't think so.
FACT: What I think is fact.[/QUOTE]


There are no facts here, only opinions. Get off your high horse.

Paranoidd 09-16-2004 06:26 PM

It's not my fault I'm always right.

Hardest_Rocker 09-16-2004 06:47 PM

[QUOTE=pyrofingerz]Dude, how the **** can you call yourself the Hardest Rocker? **** you and your anti-metal outlook. [/I dont like Slipknot. They are annoying nu-metal.] **** you.[/QUOTE]

OH Look! Nobody cares what you think.

everyonesbitch 09-16-2004 11:07 PM

Slipknot rules, Joey deserves everyone's respect. why can't we all just let them play for the people that like them. they've don'e plenty of things to piss me off. like stone sour and volume 3. But Slipknot's just a band that will go down in the metal history books for putting on a great show and entertaining millions of fans. you don't like them, die. post a thread about your favorite band. wait no...die!

relliK 09-17-2004 10:04 PM

[QUOTE=Paranoidd]Not liking slipknot does not make him anti-metal.

I think everything they've done other then MFKR and half of the s/t was utter shyte. I can't stand Corey, I think everything he does is trash. Worst vocalist in metal right now, IMO.[/QUOTE]

What exactly do you not like about Corey?

Kingofdudes 09-17-2004 10:06 PM

[QUOTE=Paranoidd]It's not my fault I'm always right.[/QUOTE]

Way to think like Maddox :thumb:

Their new "Sellout" album is the only one that I like IMO.

relliK 09-17-2004 10:21 PM

Sellout album or not, its the best thing Slipknot has ever produced.The only thing stopping alot of people from liking it is a pre-concieved notion.I see tons of reviews on amazon.com saying "this album is very good, but it doesnt sound like slipknot.I give it 1 star".If they would just quit being so biased, they'd see it for what it is.Anyway, have any of you seen the Vermilion video stills at roadrun.com?That vid looks weird.Cool I guess.I dont know.Not what I expected but hey, thats what this whole Vol.3 era has been all about.

Kingofdudes 09-17-2004 10:25 PM

Im not saying they "soldout", its what all the moronic "Goths" say about it.

relliK 09-17-2004 10:36 PM

I never said you did.The moronic goths that are saying they sold out are no older than 13.So its not really a legitamite claim unless someone with brains makes it.

Selling out to me is making an album that sounds like your previous(successful)album because "Thats what everyone wants to hear".Not going different directions with your music.

Kingofdudes 09-17-2004 10:40 PM

[QUOTE=relliK]I never said you did.The moronic goths that are saying they sold out are no older than 13.So its not really a legitamite claim unless someone with brains makes it.

Selling out to me is making an album that sounds like your previous(successful)album because "Thats what everyone wants to hear".Not going different directions with your music.[/QUOTE]

That is what really wants to smack idiots. Mainstream would want catchy music, without much musicianship. Yet this new album has much better musicianship compared to their older stuff. People are stupid :smash:


How much are tickets usually for a Slipknot show? I hear they really shine live, and I might want to check them out if they come around here.

The JoZ 09-18-2004 03:03 PM

If you want to talk about Slipknot being sellouts, the first two albums were selling out.

Ross Robinson made them do the music that way...the new album is more about Slipknot's true talent than just making music loud and fast.

Paranoidd 09-18-2004 03:51 PM

[QUOTE=relliK]What exactly do you not like about Corey?[/QUOTE]

Everything. He writes the most immature, generic, banal, angsty lyrics I've ever heard. People say they love the way he sings, when he sounds like the same cheesy rock ballad singers that they insult. I don't like his screaming either.

Their original vocalist Anders Colsefni was much better, IMHO.

Lenny_uk 09-18-2004 04:21 PM

i think Corey is slightly over rated, but he still is a good singer, i can't say hes bad in anyway IMO

relliK 09-18-2004 04:47 PM

[QUOTE=The JoZ]If you want to talk about Slipknot being sellouts, the first two albums were selling out.

Ross Robinson made them do the music that way...the new album is more about Slipknot's true talent than just making music loud and fast.[/QUOTE]

Very true.He basically molded them to the angsy band that is present on s/t and Iowa.Not to mention making them remove their soloing during pre-production, and making them simplify their riffs on Iowa.The Crowz demos they made in 1997 are closer to vol.3 than their other 2 albums.It's more of a "back to square 1" album.

schweinhunt 09-18-2004 05:06 PM

[QUOTE=relliK]I never said you did.The moronic goths that are saying they sold out are no older than 13.So its not really a legitamite claim unless someone with brains makes it.

Selling out to me is making an album that sounds like your previous(successful)album because "Thats what everyone wants to hear".Not going different directions with your music.[/QUOTE]
You mean like Overkill, Vio-lence or maybe some Slayer albums? We made this album like the previous great thrash album, because THRASH IS WHAT THEY WANNA HEAR! Going different directions for the sake of going different directions; waving your cock around like Metallica and answering to the fans demands with a "f*ck off" does not guarantee that the new music will have any content. You fail to sound like you know sh*t.

Carreer success, THAT is what selling out is. It's certainly a good thing, but some start sucking for the sake of selling out.

The JoZ 09-18-2004 05:41 PM

[QUOTE=Paranoidd]Everything. He writes the most immature, generic, banal, angsty lyrics I've ever heard. [/QUOTE]

[size=1]"Bones in the water and dust in my lungs
Absorbing archaic like a sponge
The ultimate way is the way you control
But can you stay if you detach your soul?
Bury the present and squeeze out the past
The ones you endear to never last
Chemical burns and the animalistic
I'm just another hardline pseudo-statistic

Blood on the paper and skin on my teeth
Trying to commit to what's beneath
To find the time is to lose the momentum
You learn the lessons and immediately forget them
Automatic and out of my reach
Consult all the waste to find the key
Minimal life and the polysyllabic
I'm just another blank page - push the button, pull the rage "

"Chaos - it's just the beginning
Every promise I made I'm rescinding
Center mass in the middle of the monster
I'm getting tired of drowning the constant
cry for help - it's debatable
The only reason that you love me is I'm hated by all
Come on - Come see dysfunction
I guess we're gonna leave it open for discussion

Holed up, scarred and tamed for the hell of it
Look at me - I'm the glorified malcontent
Save me? Save this!
All I gotta do is give up and all is forgiven
I'm sick - Of being the butt of a cosmic joke
And I don't get the punch line
A million people lined up for miles
To see the Great Big Mouth shut up and apologize"


"Watch those idiosyncrasies
Watch all the idiots fall on me
Getting out of ways to get outta the way
Take another shot just to stay the same
But I need some balance - Back it off
Fill your lungs 'til it makes you cough
Tell me everything's gonna be alright
'Cause I don't think I'll make it through tonight

Do one thing and say something cryptic
But the styles always clash
One thing I know for sure
The hypothetical won't work anymore
One wrong move and they will pound!
My nails are tight inside my wrists
This sacrament is sacrilege and sentimental
Deity experimental - Faith is accidental "

'Circle
Give me the dust of my fathers
Stand on the face of the ancients
Bare the secret flesh of time itself

Follow me... I've come so far, I'm behind again
Follow me... I Wish so hard, I'm there again
Follow me...

All that I wanted were things I had before
All that I needed, I never needed more
All of my questions are answers to my sins
And all of my endings are waiting to begin

I know the way, but I faulter
I can't be afraid of my patience
There's a sacred place Razel keeps safe

Follow me... I've seen so much I'm blind again
Follow me... I feel so bad I'm alive again
Follow me...

All that I wanted were things I had before
All that I needed, I never needed more
All of my questions are answers to my sins
And all of my endings are waiting to begin "[/size]

Lyrical paragon? Probably not, but a huge improvement from the stuff on the S/T or Iowa.

I am thoroughly convinced everything that Slipknot was is simply because of Ross Robinson.

He had nothing to do with MFKR, or Volume 3, and those seem to be their most highly acclaimed albums...well, alot of people say the S/T was good too...but from my POV, it is not.

relliK 09-18-2004 07:07 PM

[QUOTE=schweinhunt]You mean like Overkill, Vio-lence or maybe some Slayer albums? We made this album like the previous great thrash album, because THRASH IS WHAT THEY WANNA HEAR! Going different directions for the sake of going different directions; waving your cock around like Metallica and answering to the fans demands with a "f*ck off" does not guarantee that the new music will have any content. You fail to sound like you know sh*t.

Carreer success, THAT is what selling out is. It's certainly a good thing, but some start sucking for the sake of selling out.[/QUOTE]

Notice how I started my statement with "Selling out to me is..." rather than making it sound like fact.Its my opinion.Im just stating it.The day a musician makes music to satisfy others rather than to satisfy themselves is the day they sell out.On themselves at least.Why not say "we made this album sound this way because we felt like going this direction"?Sure "sell out" has very many definitions, but this is the one I feel most strongly about.Looking at music from an art standpoint, why paint the same potrait twice, or make similar ones?You dont have to.You can go different directions with your artistic endevour.Its called being an artist.Slipknot are-Artists.Sure fan satisfaction is part or making music, but losing and gaining fans is inevitable.Why be "middle of the road" with the music decisions you make?Grow some balls and take risks.Thats the fun of it isnt it?I dont think Slayer has sold out but from my standpoint maybe they have.They have been declining since 1990.They seem to make "follow up" albums rather than striding to outdo themselves.Every album they make never leaves the shadow of RIB.Sure its a tough act to follow, and sure Slayer loves the music they make and dont feel the need to go different directions, but GHUA was their weakest showing.Its not half of RIB.

Like I said,the term "sell out" has many different definitions, and your opinion on it is just different from mine.

relliK 09-18-2004 07:17 PM

[QUOTE=KingofDudes] How much are tickets usually for a Slipknot show? I hear they really shine live, and I might want to check them out if they come around here.[/QUOTE]

I saw them during the Jagermiester show for about $25.So maybe the prices are around there.


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