anyone got a link to this song, i wanna see what all the fuss is about. hehe

What?! You haven't heard Don't Look back In Anger???!
OMG! I would strongly advise you go out and buy an oasis album, 'Definitely Maybe' or 'Morning Glory'
Seriously, you'll thank me.

[QUOTE=sliver]Dude did you not read the post: you don't have to sing the high note all the time! You can do a lower harmony 2/3 of the time, and then save the high notes for the end.

Or you can push yourself and practise doing the high note more, don't just give up! That's lame :thumb:[/QUOTE]

Dude, I practised it for like an hour, singing the last line of the verse and belting it out, jesus I didn't speak for a few days.
The problem with me is, I have to sing high-ish to sound good or I just end up talking, so I HAVE to sing the high note in the chorus.
Or did I misread you again?

But I DID try tuning my guitar down a step and that worked alot better. Thanks

i just listened to myself recorded and i sound nothing close to pitch on my guitar, but it does in real life, why is this?

Also, how long would you say it takes to become a "decent" singer? I have played guitar for a year and 3 months and consider myself pretty good. Is it possible to do this with singing?

Also again, i thought i had a pretty good ear. I can tab a lot of things out on guitar on my own, but i cant hear myself sing apparently.

[QUOTE=Knoxvillelives]What?! You haven't heard Don't Look back In Anger???!
OMG! I would strongly advise you go out and buy an oasis album, 'Definitely Maybe' or 'Morning Glory'
Seriously, you'll thank me.[/QUOTE]
I guess not. I had the single to wonderwall...the tape..and on the back was this song about "i wanna talk tonight....until the morning light.." i really like that song. Thats pretty much all i know about them.

[QUOTE=IheartSP]i just listened to myself recorded and i sound nothing close to pitch on my guitar, but it does in real life, why is this?

Also, how long would you say it takes to become a "decent" singer? I have played guitar for a year and 3 months and consider myself pretty good. Is it possible to do this with singing?

Also again, i thought i had a pretty good ear. I can tab a lot of things out on guitar on my own, but i cant hear myself sing apparently.[/QUOTE]

well if you have a bad ear, its gonna take time. YOu can definitely progress though. but you will have to have a practice place where you can open up and not be afraid of judgment by others. practice singing acapellla, and just sing along with scales on your guitar a note at a time. learn proper techniques, you can start in the voichelp hotline and around this forum. you can always get lessons too. depends on what your goals are. But like i said before, i think everyone can become a decent singer. its just proper technique which isnt hard, but may be hiding and blocked by a life of bad habits in breathing and talking.

Well I am wanting to learn to scream well, low and high pitched, I and see now that I must learn to sing decently before I can do the rasping thing. Well I have a chromatic tuner for my guitar and it has a button I can bush that will sound a C tone and it will go up through the notes and there sharps until it reaches 1 octave up. I have been goin through these notes trying to match my voice to it, in fact I was doing it just a second ago. Would this help my voice or cause anything bad? I notice that my voice waves a bit, and not in the good way.. what do I do to stop this? Also I seem to start losing breath as I go higher and my voice seems a bit more strained when I try to go higher, plus my heart starts beating faster as if I have been doing push-ups or something, not real fast just a little faster and hard. Tell me if I am doing anything wrong or something I can add to this practice to help. Thanks Merkaba!

Btw, I just decovered something weird, if I eat a bowl of Ramen noodle soup(10 cent per pack at wal-mart), I can sing a bit better afterwards. I have been going through the voice excerise above all day and I sound better after eating soup. :lol:

Go read my voicehelp hotline and read up on the isolation stuff.
you should never have to say the word strain when describing your vocal technique. And if youre running out of breath for higher notes youre using incorrect breathing. Work on "coming from the gut" as we all say. i have lots of hints for this in various posts. i dont have enough time right now to delve deep into it. The isolation stuff helps alot, and you need to pay attention so that you can feel when you go from head voice to falsetto. Plus youre pushing too hard if your heart rate is affected. Regardless of what style or face your doing. singing or screaming should be comfortable. you have to learn to relax the throat so you can seperate it from your cords. and you dont have to go up in force and push as you go up in pitch which most people do when starting off. the cords get thinner as you go up in pitch, so they need less force. Be sure to read the isolation thread.

imitation problem..
 

whenever I sing any song I always end up unknowingly imitating the vocalist/singer in whatever song I sing.. and seeing as I'm not them. it sounds awful.. any suggestions?

acapella

I'm having trouble singing some songs because they are too high

I am a Bass, since I can sing the Low E on a guitar... i can sing up to around a D 2 octives higher, but then my voices struggles, and I have to scream the notes up to about G, where I can go no higher without singing in falsetto.

Is there an exercise or anything that will help me sing the high notes?
For example, I can sing Karma Police from Radiohead comfortably, but in a song like Maroon 5 - This Love, for the chorus I have to sing it an octive lower and it sounds pretty bad.

Thanks in advance

Is it a good idea to imitate a singer? The lead singer in my band has his own voice and sings it the same on most of our songs but I tend to copy the original singer, havent had much of a chance to develop my own,.
Like we did 'Cigarettes and Alchohol' (we're not Oasis obsessed btw) and I sang as Liam and everyone said it sounded great and everyone complimented me on it, and we did Immigrant Song and I tried to imitate Plant (impossible btw) and everyone said I shud try and do it my own way on that song, but I can't seem to find an inbetween.
What shud I do?

have u got any other advice on lowering your larynx.
Iv tryed the yawn singing way but i cant pronounce words right an it doesnt sound very good.
then if i do it normally my larynx/adams apple(whatever it is) stays in the same position or goes up a little bit but it does not feel like it restricting me.
Should i keep trying to lower it??If i should can you give me any other tips please??

Thanks

[QUOTE=JuicyFruitGuy]I'm having trouble singing some songs because they are too high

I am a Bass, since I can sing the Low E on a guitar... i can sing up to around a D 2 octives higher, but then my voices struggles, and I have to scream the notes up to about G, where I can go no higher without singing in falsetto.

Is there an exercise or anything that will help me sing the high notes?
For example, I can sing Karma Police from Radiohead comfortably, but in a song like Maroon 5 - This Love, for the chorus I have to sing it an octive lower and it sounds pretty bad.

Thanks in advance[/QUOTE]
well the thing about range is that its slow to grow. Well usually. You just have to work your upper range alot. work the limits of it. which means you need time to miss alot of notes and make bad sounds. The cords have to be able to stretch and thin out more while still holding enough to close. You might not be able to stretch them anymore or you might. This is something you have to work with and find out. You can do alot of loud Hah's. Like hard. as in 100% remember to relax and be sure youre all the way warmed up. And go up in range and continue i go all the way up to my highest falsetto. But i dont do this that often. maybe once a week. Be sure not just go for push but make sure you making the vowel sound. the h's should sandwich the sound and the air that makes the H is the resistance that works the cords and the muscles, but be sure to get the ahh sound out and tight. this shouldnt be held , but should be a quick "HAH!" , just long enough to get the tone. not a haaaaah or a haaaaaaaaaaaah. get it. hehe.

Enter at your own risk, especially if you dont know if you have good technique. If you tend to get hoarse alot after a show or after working your voice then you might have bad technique. Whatever you do it should always be comfortable, with no strain or tenseness. pay attention to anything irregular that you feel. of course if you feel any pain, stop. Dont forget to warm down especially if youre doing anything pushing your range.

btw, singing the low e on a guitar doesnt make you a bass. the normal guitar is considered optimal for baritone, if I'm not mistaken. And what you mention about your range pretty much puts you in the baritone area, although theres a few sub ranges and all this stuff. I dont really worry about all that, as it was all created for classical music ages ago.

Do you mean youre singing Maroon 5 a key lower? an octave lower would be way too different. If not, try to lower the key...to D if it is in E. etc. keep us posted. We're always here to help.

:thumb:

[QUOTE=Knoxvillelives]Is it a good idea to imitate a singer? The lead singer in my band has his own voice and sings it the same on most of our songs but I tend to copy the original singer, havent had much of a chance to develop my own,.
Like we did 'Cigarettes and Alchohol' (we're not Oasis obsessed btw) and I sang as Liam and everyone said it sounded great and everyone complimented me on it, and we did Immigrant Song and I tried to imitate Plant (impossible btw) and everyone said I shud try and do it my own way on that song, but I can't seem to find an inbetween.
What shud I do?[/QUOTE]

Well its natural to imitate. Its how i learned to sing. The thing is you might find yourself trying things youre not ready for yet, or tensing and whatnot to achieve a certain sound that a close mic and studio ambience makes sound natural. The more you imitate various artists and styles, the more you will find an in between. and of course, singing acapella will help you. :cool:

[QUOTE=Winter-seed...AKA b&h]have u got any other advice on lowering your larynx.
Iv tryed the yawn singing way but i cant pronounce words right an it doesnt sound very good.
then if i do it normally my larynx/adams apple(whatever it is) stays in the same position or goes up a little bit but it does not feel like it restricting me.
Should i keep trying to lower it??If i should can you give me any other tips please??

Thanks[/QUOTE]
Its good, cause it means youre actually trying. Yea i need to clarify this more. I'm speaking realtive when i say low. relative to a high tense larynx. you can take the mid point between the yawn and the swallow larynx positions and try not to rise up much past this midway point. You still will rise some, just dont let it be a squeeze or as high as the swallow. You sound like youre on top of things. dont worry.

Cold beef, cold beef...hamburgerrrrrrr.....ham bur gerrrrrrrrrr

mergh.
 

..when I say I end up imitating them. I mean. I always end up unwillingly putting on a bad fake accent when I sing any song by a band. with the music on or not I always end up sounding like a bad impersonator.

Thanks Merkaba :thumb:

You mentioned something about if your voice gets hoarse, you have bad technique. Sometimes when I sing a lot of songs, like when I'm 3/4 through a set of songs (say about 10 songs, 45 mins of singing) , my voice gets hoarse when I'm singing in the middle lower notes... it only sounds clear when I'm singing the high notes.

I'm guessing it's beacuse of those notes from E to G that I have to yell/scream... after time, they tire me out. Is there a way to imrpove bad technique, or is it just something you have to deal with if you have it?

Thanks Again

[QUOTE=JuicyFruitGuy]Thanks Merkaba :thumb:

You mentioned something about if your voice gets hoarse, you have bad technique. Sometimes when I sing a lot of songs, like when I'm 3/4 through a set of songs (say about 10 songs, 45 mins of singing) , my voice gets hoarse when I'm singing in the middle lower notes... it only sounds clear when I'm singing the high notes.

I'm guessing it's beacuse of those notes from E to G that I have to yell/scream... after time, they tire me out. Is there a way to imrpove bad technique, or is it just something you have to deal with if you have it?

Thanks Again[/QUOTE]
Well i dont know what type of music youre doing. But regardless, i think you should be able to make it past 45 minutes. But i dont want to sound all "holier than thou". You might need to turn your mic up so you dont have to scream as hard. Remember you lose tone and volume if you push too hard. And the mic should be your friend. YOu have an acoustic insturment here that youre trying to amplify. You wouldnt strum your acoustic extra hard if the soundguy had your line turned down too low would you? So dont worry about the ego loss of having to turn the mic up, if need be.

And technique wise, its all the stuff i talk about here. Check out the voichelp hotline post in the stickies if you havent already. You gotta keep the throat relaxed and sepereated form the cords. If you have it, you should want to deal with it so you can improve. Its not like its something you cant get over. Bad technique can be made into better and good technique.

hey,im 14 and i broked my voice and it sounds very deep usally my voice was high,so here is the problem,im the guitarist/singer of my band and usally i get shy wen singing alone cus of my deep voice(i sound abit like tim armstrong(rancid))i do sound like him and i cant hit the high notes cus wen i try to sing them my voice straight away changes into a totally 'different voice'......help me out.....im singing rock,punk rock....

stop smoking weed and get voice lessons and check out merkaba's posts

Hey, this thread is awesome, been a great help so far.
I'm an 18 year old guitarist and i like to do some singing, mainly because my musics teacher at school told me i'm good at it, and my friends tell me too.
So far, learning any music theory or whatever wasn't a problem (except for maybe modes, but thats a different story), so... singing shouldn't be that hard to learn to a point where it's semi-usable ;)

I feel kinda comfortable about my voice, but there is this one thing that i really miss and just have to learn!

How do i do vibratos? It just sounds dull to let a note float like that...
It seems so easy when you see other singers do it (you woudlnt notice if you wouldn't look for it). I've got a few things recorded, i hope Soundclick will put this stuff online as soon as possible, maybe you can check it out and tell me if i have any other problems?

[url]http://www.soundclick.com/bands/8/dilligentsmusic.htm[/url]

It says so, but just in case:
You bassist/Drummers out there, don't get offended, i'm using these synth drum/bass-lines because i simplydont have the equipment or the drummer/bassist, and i need the lines to keep the rythm myself ;)

Dilligent

[QUOTE=Dilligent]Hey, this thread is awesome, been a great help so far.
I'm an 18 year old guitarist and i like to do some singing, mainly because my musics teacher at school told me i'm good at it, and my friends tell me too.
So far, learning any music theory or whatever wasn't a problem (except for maybe modes, but thats a different story), so... singing shouldn't be that hard to learn to a point where it's semi-usable ;)

I feel kinda comfortable about my voice, but there is this one thing that i really miss and just have to learn!

How do i do vibratos? It just sounds dull to let a note float like that...
It seems so easy when you see other singers do it (you woudlnt notice if you wouldn't look for it). I've got a few things recorded, i hope Soundclick will put this stuff online as soon as possible, maybe you can check it out and tell me if i have any other problems?

[url]http://www.soundclick.com/bands/8/dilligentsmusic.htm[/url]

It says so, but just in case:
You bassist/Drummers out there, don't get offended, i'm using these synth drum/bass-lines because i simplydont have the equipment or the drummer/bassist, and i need the lines to keep the rythm myself ;)

Dilligent[/QUOTE]
Its gonna be hard for you to get vibratos. Cause you have no breath support.
you need to find it and you'll wonder what you've been doing. You should check out my voicehelp hotline, a live no effects sound can maybe help you hear it better.

Try taking a good breath so your stomach bellows out, and pretend that youre on the toilette. and youre gonna squeeze out one....so slowly start to exhale and grunt slowly but dont make it raspy...just Unnnnnnnnnnnnn. you should be able to hold this note for at least thirty seconds with a deep breath. work to get the feel beind the cords. Like youre going to cough, but not cough. its that type of pressure you shoudl feel...(though not as much of course) this is the direct diaphragm to cord connection you wont. You should feel resistance behind the cords. work to find that. When youre singing youre letting alot of air go by. This is cool in certain spots of a song for a soft feel, but not all the time. BUt i guarantee you that you dont seem to keep enough air do you? i can hear it myself. YOure in mid range. your cords shouldnt be opening up much.

THis is probably the main reason why you cant get a vibrato going. With a good amount of pressure it will feel natural. the fluctuation it takes to vibrato helps vent the extra pressure. From what you have here, you will be able to have probably a hundred percent better sound when you learn breath support. its the hardest thing to try to describe with words and is very tricky to get without confusing people as to pressure and too much and what to feel. read up on it and keep experimenting til you find it. You'll thank yourself.

Is proper breath support the only way to achieve a vibrato? I can do a vibrato very easily and pretty naturally now, but I'm not sure if I'm using proper breath support.

Well the more support you have the easier it is to do anything vocally. I mean you can do them if youre not supporting with the diaphragm. But if youre not it will be reflected in the sound along with everything else. So if youre singing a 4 out of 10, then your vibrato will be a 4 out of ten.

whoever is an expert, how do i increase range to the higher notes
 

people like mark hoppus can go way into higher notes, but i stay low... when i try to go mid-range tp med-high, unpleasant sounds come out.. are there excercises that help with that or something? :confused:

Got a question.

I'm singin for my metal band and we had a nice little gig last friday. We had a nice stage with big lights and stuff, and a smoke machine as well. I had quite a hard time singing and I think the smoke has something to do with it. My throat was dry and I couldn't hit the high notes I usually can sing. Maybe I just had a bad day though.
Has any of you ever experienced the same problems?

iv never had any experience but iv heard that smoke machines do play around with your voice a bit.

Gday all,
As you might have guessed I'm a bit of a n00b to this forum, but I will do my best to fit in.
I have a friend who recently took up singing lessons where he is singing stuff like "Under the Bridge" by RHCP. I can tell that the lessons have made a big difference to his singing and it inspired me. I've been trying to improve my singing for quite a while and although I'm not that great, I have no trouble with pitch (probably from my musical background). My main problem is that I lack the strength in my voice and after reading many of the posts here it seems that my breathing is the problem.
I asked my mate what he thought was the main problem, and he said that I just had to have confidence and put some strength behind my voice. He said that once he got over the embarrasment of actually singing, he found it easy to not only hit the notes, but get plenty of strength behind his voice. He suggested that I try to sing loud in order to get strength behind the notes, and through this my voice would naturally strengthen. Could someone comment on this for me?
Also, I have recorded myself singing quite a few times, and I know that there are things I need to work on, and I have noticed that my singing voice sounds very similar to my speaking voice unless I deliberately try to imitate the singer in the song I am listening to. Any comments on this?

Thanks :)

i never really had the urge to sing before until i started playing guitar,now my problem is i find it hard to play and sing at the same time.When i start singing i start slowing down on the guitar and its just a big mess.Does anyone have any tips for playing guitar and singing at the same time?