[QUOTE=Bartender]Manowar.

:)[/QUOTE]

Ah, the band that VH1 loves to hate.

[QUOTE=Bartender]I'd rather like to study Dante's Inferno, actually. I always wondered how exactly he decided to come up with it the way he did :-/

Samurai course is enough cool for now though, I think.[/QUOTE]

Any study of Dante needs to be accompanied by studies of the works of St. Augustine (City of God), Thomas Aquinas, and probably John Milton (Paradise Lost). BTW, Bartender, there's supposedly a ton of old grimoires that list hellish and heavenly locations and heirarchies from the Middle Ages...do you know if there are any located in England, like in museums or something?

aww we passed my birth year...83

I was about to answer this thread with 'I have two,' meh.

Thought I would join and new thread. And to add something worthwhile to the discussion, anyone in the UK going to Reading festival this year?

[QUOTE=Cain]According to Dante, I don't think homosexuals went in. If they did, it was to the second circle, where the lustful went. They never showed up by name. The only people that were in deeper than murderers were the fraudulent and the traitorous.

Like Cain, oddly enough. :p I think one of the pouches in the ninth circle is reserved for him, or at least it's named after him.

Seriously, the "homos go to hell" thing was an invention gradually made by the church in response to a few choice passages in our wonderfully vague Bible that seemed to say that only a man and woman's union would be respected by God. I don't think the major philosophers that "mapped out" Hell put them there.[/QUOTE]

The drawing I saw had homos on it, I'm pretty certain.

Who's Cain?

[QUOTE=Cain]Any study of Dante needs to be accompanied by studies of the works of St. Augustine (City of God), Thomas Aquinas, and probably John Milton (Paradise Lost). BTW, Bartender, there's supposedly a ton of old grimoires that list hellish and heavenly locations and heirarchies from the Middle Ages...do you know if there are any located in England, like in museums or something?[/QUOTE]

Not off the top of my head :-/

I suppose I could ask around. If you can wait a month, my [size=1](attractive, female)[/size] lecturer should know, if anyone does.

I just got a postcard from a girl friend in Amsterdam :cool:

/hasn't read the thread in two hours

[QUOTE=Superpeer]The drawing I saw had homos on it, I'm pretty certain.

Who's Cain?[/QUOTE]

"Not the mark of Cain, the killer, but the mark of Abel, the slain."

/pointless

NP Belphegor - Swarm of Rats

[QUOTE=Cain]Any study of Dante needs to be accompanied by studies of the works of St. Augustine (City of God), Thomas Aquinas, and probably John Milton (Paradise Lost). BTW, Bartender, there's supposedly a ton of old grimoires that list hellish and heavenly locations and heirarchies from the Middle Ages...do you know if there are any located in England, like in museums or something?[/QUOTE]

Well, I've studied all those at some point. :cool:

[QUOTE=AntiHero3314]I just got a postcard from a girl friend in Amsterdam :cool:

/hasn't read the thread in two hours[/QUOTE]

Was it an interesting postcard?

[QUOTE=Cain]Any study of Dante needs to be accompanied by studies of the works of St. [B]Augustine[/B] (City of God), Thomas Aquinas, and probably John Milton (Paradise Lost). BTW, Bartender, there's supposedly a ton of old grimoires that list hellish and heavenly locations and heirarchies from the Middle Ages...do you know if there are any located in England, like in museums or something?[/QUOTE]

hey thats my last name

[QUOTE=Superpeer]The drawing I saw had homos on it, I'm pretty certain.

Who's Cain?[/QUOTE]

The Cain I named myself after is just an alias used by Jason Bourne in the book "The Bourne Identity."

But the biblical Cain was one of the sons of Adam and Eve, who murdered his brother Abel. The first pouch in the ninth circle of Hell is named Cäina, after him, and it's where the traitors to kin go.

[QUOTE=\m/Pete\m/]hey thats my last name[/QUOTE]

Well, you'd better not tell us your first name then. :p

Otherwise, we'll FIND YOU!

[QUOTE=Bartender]Was it an interesting postcard?[/QUOTE]

The front of it (picture) or the writing? Or both?

Amsterdam looks like it's a busy place, judging from the picture. A lot of lights, cars, and people lining the streets. No obvious signs of drugs being passed around :p

The writing was nice. I hadn't heard from her in awhile.

[QUOTE=Superpeer]Well, I've studied all those at some point. :cool:[/QUOTE] :cool: Well, you've got a headstart on this then. It's really interesting.

[QUOTE=Cain]Well, you'd better not tell us your first name then. :p

Otherwise, we'll FIND YOU![/QUOTE]


oh i aint a skeered!

im gonna start a biggest pet peeve thing right now

Mine...WET SOCKS

[QUOTE=AntiHero3314]The front of it (picture) or the writing? Or both?

Amsterdam looks like it's a busy place, judging from the picture. A lot of lights, cars, and people lining the streets. No obvious signs of drugs being passed around :p

The writing was nice. I hadn't heard from her in awhile.[/QUOTE]

Actually, most people ride bicycles in Amsterdam.

NP: Shyboy - David Lee Roth(lol)

First post on page corresponding to my birth year?

EDIT: Nay :-/

[QUOTE=zeppelinfan2k3]First post on page corresponding to my birth year?

EDIT: Nay :-/[/QUOTE]

Sorry. :(

[QUOTE=Cain]Sorry. :([/QUOTE]
Haha, all good fun :p

[QUOTE=Cain]Actually, most people ride bicycles in Amsterdam. [/QUOTE]

I'm going by the picture here :angry:

I wish this postcard was like American postcards, where it says where the location exactly is (i.e. if I was in New York City, I might have the Statue of Liberty or Empire State Building descriptions on the reverse) so I could see if any of you across the pond would know of it, but it just says "Amsterdam" on teh front with a bunch of taxis and shoppes with people all over the place at night.

It's rather festive.

Well today has been d[I]a[/I]mn good. I have discovered the greatness of X-Japan and DJ Shadow.

I like doing these Forced Listenings. I'm sad that I didn't do these earlier :(

[QUOTE=Gilmour]Well today has been d[I]a[/I]mn good. I have discovered the greatness of X-Japan and DJ Shadow.[/QUOTE]

Dj Shadow is bloody awesome, went to a live show a few months ago.

[QUOTE=Gilmour]Well today has been d[I]a[/I]mn good. I have discovered the greatness of X-Japan and DJ Shadow.[/QUOTE]


What does DJ Shadow play?

/always interested in electronic music

[QUOTE=AntiHero3314]I like doing these Forced Listenings. I'm sad that I didn't do these earlier :([/QUOTE]

:).

[QUOTE=BoboTheRagingHobo]What does DJ Shadow play?

/always interested in electronic music[/QUOTE]

He kind of kick-started trip-hop with his [i]Endtroducing..[/i] album, but really I think it gets called trip-hop just to save time. When it was reviewed here, the reviewer put the genre as "hip-hop based genre-meld", which comes somewhat closer.

I think it was the first record to be constructed entirely from samples and found sounds; unbelievably meticulous and well-done, and just basically a masterpiece (in most eyes).

[QUOTE=BoboTheRagingHobo]What does DJ Shadow play?

/always interested in electronic music[/QUOTE]

See Bartender's post

[url]http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=7135585&postcount=126[/url]
Songs are at the link

[QUOTE=Holyed]Dj Shadow is bloody awesome, went to a live show a few months ago.[/QUOTE]

:eek[font=verdana]:[/font] Nice. In London?

I would really like to see him live, actually. The few live tracks I've heard have been soo cool. I need to get In Tune.., I think :(

[QUOTE=Gilmour]See Bartender's post

[url]http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=7135585&postcount=126[/url]
Songs are at the link[/QUOTE]


Fu[SIZE=2]ckin'[/SIZE] wma files...

[QUOTE=Bartender]:eek[font=verdana]:[/font] Nice. In London?

I would really like to see him live, actually. The few live tracks I've heard have been soo cool. I need to get In Tune.., I think :([/QUOTE]

Yep at Brixton Academy, twas very cool. There's a good dvd out of a live show aswell.

Long post / story time:

Many years ago, Al Capone virtually owned Chicago. Capone wasn't famous for anything heroic. He was notorious for enmeshing the Windy City in everything from bootlegged booze and prostitution to murder.

Capone had a lawyer nicknamed "Easy Eddie." He was his lawyer for a good reason. Eddie was very good; in fact, Eddie's skill at legal maneuvering kept Big Al out of jail for a long time. To show his appreciation, Capone paid him very well. Not only was the money big, but also Eddie got special dividends.

For instance, he and his family occupied a fenced-in mansion with live-in help and all of the conveniences of the day. The estate was so large that it filled an entire Chicago City block. Eddie lived the high life of the Chicago mob and gave little consideration to the atrocities that went on around him.

Eddie did have one soft spot, however. He had a son that he loved dearly. Eddie saw to it that his young son had the best of everything: clothes, cars and a good education. Nothing was withheld, and price was no object. And, despite his involvement with organized crime, Eddie even tried to teach him right from wrong. Eddie wanted his son to be a better man than he was. Yet, with all his wealth and influence, there were two things he couldn't give his son; he couldn't pass on a good name and a good example.

One day, Easy Eddie reached a difficult decision. Easy Eddie wanted to rectify wrongs he had done. He decided he would go to the authorities and tell the truth about Al "Scarface" Capone, clean up his tarnished name and offer his son some semblance of integrity. To do this, he would have to testify against The Mob, and he knew that the cost would be great. So, he testified.

Within the year, Easy Eddie's life ended in a blaze of gunfire on a lonely Chicago Street. But in his eyes, he had given his son the greatest gift he had to offer, at the greatest price he would ever pay.

Police removed from his pockets a rosary, a crucifix, a religious medallion, and a poem clipped from a magazine. The poem read:

[i]The clock of life is wound but once / And no man has the power / To tell just when the hands will stop, / At late or early hour. Now is the only time you own, / Live, love, toil with a will / Place no faith in time / For the clock may soon be still...[/i]

II:

World War II produced many heroes. One such man was Lieutenant Commander Butch O'Hare. He was a fighter pilot assigned to the aircraft carrier Lexington in the South Pacific.

One day his entire squadron was sent on a mission. After he was airborne, he looked at his fuel gauge and realized that someone had forgotten to top off his fuel tank. He would not have enough fuel to complete his mission and get back to his ship.

His flight leader told him to return to the carrier. Reluctantly, he dropped out of formation and headed back to the fleet. As he was returning to the mothership he saw something that turned his blood cold: a squadron of Japanese aircraft were speeding their way toward the American fleet.

The American fighters were gone on a sortie, and the fleet was all but defenseless. He couldn't reach his squadron and bring them back in time to save the fleet. Nor could he warn the fleet of the approaching danger.

There was only one thing to do. He must somehow divert them from the fleet. Laying aside all thoughts of personal safety, he dove into the formation of Japanese planes.

Wing-mounted 50 caliber's blazed as he charged in, attacking one surprised enemy plane and then another. Butch wove in and out of the now-broken formation and fired at as many planes as possible until all his ammunition was finally spent. Undaunted, he continued the assault.

He dove at the planes, trying to clip a wing or tail in hopes of damaging as many enemy planes as possible and rendering them unfit to fly.

Finally, the exasperated Japanese squadron took off in another direction. Deeply relieved, Butch O'Hare and his tattered fighter limped back to the carrier. Upon arrival he reported in and related the event surrounding his return.

The film from the gun-camera mounted on his plane told the tale. It showed the extent of Butch's daring attempt to protect his fleet. He had destroyed five enemy aircraft.

This took place on February 20, 1942, and for that action Butch became the Navy's first Ace of W.W.II, and the first Naval Aviator to win the Congressional Medal of Honor. A year later Butch was killed in aerial combat at the age of 29.

His hometown would not allow the memory of this WWII hero to fade, and today, O'Hare Airport in Chicago is named in tribute to the courage of this great man. So the next time you find yourself at O'Hare International, you will see Butch's memorial displaying his statue and his Medal of Honor. It's located between Terminals 1 and 2.

So what was the point of this?

Butch O'Hare was Easy Eddie's son :eek:

Any favourite songs, by the way?

Six Days and Organ Doner were my songs of the summer.

why the changing of the name of the thread?

Nice story, Antihero :)

[QUOTE=Holyed]Any favourite songs, by the way?

Six Days and Organ Doner were my songs of the summer.[/QUOTE]

I've had a soft spot for Building Steam With a Grain of Salt since I first got Endtroducing. Hard to pick favourites really though.

I'm off for a break - food, drink, that sort of thing - so I'll see you all later.

Interesting story, Jim.

[QUOTE=GurS]why the changing of the name of the thread?[/QUOTE]
It was requested to be changed... it was getting a bit outdated :)

What inspired that story, Jim?

[url]http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=315894[/url]
Hey Bartender, this has been reported a few times in site but no one's done anything...basically the threadstarter's posts consist solely of racial slurs and it's inane and offensive :)

[QUOTE=Cain]What inspired that story, Jim?[/QUOTE]

Oh, you know, just me contributing to my spamming ways before I have to take a back seat to more "intellectual" discussion :)

[quote=Med57]Where is SubtleDagger?[/quote]

I was going to guess spring break, but he's been gone for two weeks... maybe he got busy?