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MalcolmYoungRock 05-23-2005 05:05 PM

Woah, woah, fellas.

By the time we're done with WYWH we'll probably forget about your dibs and we dont' want to have to look back.

The Wall is far too long though.

And Animals makes more sense if people have read the George Orwell book "Animal Farm" because that's what the album is based on (I think..)

So let's just stick with what we have.

BigTrav415 05-23-2005 05:22 PM

Yeah, Animals is somewhat based on Animal Farm (great book btw), but, as someone informed me when I posted this earlier, Animal Farm is a criticism of communism, Animals is a criticsm of capitalism.

Sorry about the dibs, I just wanted to be sure I could write something...

Thor 05-23-2005 05:24 PM

[QUOTE=MalcolmYoungRock]Woah, woah, fellas.

By the time we're done with WYWH we'll probably forget about your dibs and we dont' want to have to look back.

The Wall is far too long though.

And Animals makes more sense if people have read the George Orwell book "Animal Farm" because that's what the album is based on (I think..)

So let's just stick with what we have.[/QUOTE]
Animal Farm is an awesome book. It's one of my favorite books of all time, actually. George Orwell is probably my favorite author.

The Wall is long, yes, but it is also perfect. I honestly believe that it is the best album ever created. I know, it's a bold statement, but it's what I believe.

MalcolmYoungRock 05-23-2005 05:36 PM

[QUOTE]Sorry about the dibs, I just wanted to be sure I could write something...[/QUOTE]

Just keep posting and checking up with the thread, I'm sure you'll get to write something :).

[QUOTE]
The Wall is long, yes, but it is also perfect. I honestly believe that it is the best album ever created. I know, it's a bold statement, but it's what I believe.[/QUOTE]

I feel that we don't really have to do "The Wall" since there is already a MASSIVE and brilliant (IMO) analysis on The Wall and the movie that came with it.

[url]http://home.mchsi.com/%7Ettint/Intro.html[/url]

If you take the time to read through it, I'm sure you'll agree.

lunch998 05-23-2005 06:42 PM

Yea that is brilliant. And way to keep them in line Malcom. No dibs until WYWH is done.

Riva 05-23-2005 06:50 PM

Alrighty then. Dual analyses will be fine. So TheDMV and I can both do WYWH, etc.

It's fine doing SOYCD together, since it basically is a split song. You may want to analyse the musical content of all 9 parts, so it may be a big job. If you'd like, I can write down the times all 9 parts start...

And thankyou to MYR and Lunch. Guys, I won't be on regularly till Uni ends, so thanks for keeping everyone in line.

Once all of DSOTM is done, then you can go ahead and nominate the next album, and when the first WYWH analysis is in, you can start picking songs.

robo2448 05-23-2005 07:10 PM

[QUOTE=MalcolmYoungRock]Just keep posting and checking up with the thread, I'm sure you'll get to write something :).



I feel that we don't really have to do "The Wall" since there is already a MASSIVE and brilliant (IMO) analysis on The Wall and the movie that came with it.

[url]http://home.mchsi.com/%7Ettint/Intro.html[/url]

If you take the time to read through it, I'm sure you'll agree.[/QUOTE]

Good point. That's great.

lunch998 05-23-2005 07:11 PM

[QUOTE=HeavyRiva]And thankyou to MYR and Lunch. Guys, I won't be on regularly till Uni ends, so thanks for keeping everyone in line.[/QUOTE]

/sad

When's uni done?

slowhand 05-23-2005 07:25 PM

[QUOTE=HeavyRiva]Alrighty then. Dual analyses will be fine. So TheDMV and I can both do WYWH, etc.

It's fine doing SOYCD together, since it basically is a split song. You may want to analyse the musical content of all 9 parts, so it may be a big job. If you'd like, I can write down the times all 9 parts start...

And thankyou to MYR and Lunch. Guys, I won't be on regularly till Uni ends, so thanks for keeping everyone in line.

Once all of DSOTM is done, then you can go ahead and nominate the next album, and when the first WYWH analysis is in, you can start picking songs.[/QUOTE]

Musical content? Then it's going to be harder than what I expected. But, I'll try, unless someone else would like to have a go at it. And please, write down the times of the 9 parts, as much as I love the song, I really don't know that elitist division of the song.

Riva 05-23-2005 07:26 PM

In three weeks.

So, you guys should consider doing the Wall, simply because I think personal meanings are jsut as important as the message Roger was trying to impart upon the audience.

Kingofdudes 05-23-2005 09:12 PM

I feel like such a leech(sp?) at times in this thread :-/ That is why im gonna upload a bootleg of Dogs during their last show of the Animals tour (the show where Roger spits at the crowd) for you guys.

[url]http://s40.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=1ZC6ZFJA59LJI39Y8EJ0UOYF8I[/url]

There it is

slowhand 05-23-2005 09:22 PM

[QUOTE=Gilmour]I feel like such a leech(sp?) at times in this thread :-/ That is why im gonna upload a bootleg of Dogs during their last show of the Animals tour (the show where Roger spits at the crowd) for you guys.

[url]http://s40.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=1ZC6ZFJA59LJI39Y8EJ0UOYF8I[/url]

There it is[/QUOTE]

Does that show have any recorded footage? It would be nice to see when Roger spits at the fan.

Kingofdudes 05-23-2005 09:24 PM

nope sorry :-/ but Ill upload something else that might interest you

[url]http://s40.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=19D113K3YGCI92XK0RI4NIRMMM[/url]

Check that out

moaner 05-24-2005 05:02 AM

"Animals" wasn't about animal fa\rm, it was Water's comment on society. It was a while ago i read it, but i don't even remember there being a dog.

moaner 05-24-2005 05:04 AM

oh, and is someone going to link to all of the posts making uop the lyrical analysis of [I]dark side[/I]?

SomethingfromHolland 05-24-2005 07:39 AM

Wooow, that's a good review/interpretation of the song (although it isn't my favourite floyd song by far)

Dragon_Prince 05-24-2005 07:57 AM

very nice interpetration Med57, after reading that I agree completely, never think of songs uhm so deep :S :P

moaner 05-24-2005 11:51 AM

are all songs on [I]dark si[/I]de spoken for? and [I]wish.[/I]..?

i tell ya, when we come to do meddle or saucerful, then i shall be in teh zone.

standard 05-24-2005 01:49 PM

Very nice Med!

I can't wait for The Final Cut.

bennyl 05-24-2005 02:21 PM

Med57, nice. It was the best one yet (better then mine) but the one thing I want to know is about how it fits into the album as a whole. What does it contribute to Dark Side?

EDIT: and to the guy who posted the '77 montreal animals concert, that stuff is gold. I know a guy who was at that concert (and is also an amazingly good guitarist) and he told me that it was a terrible concert and no one was listening to the music, just screaming. Also, the pigs on the wing solo is by their backup guitarist Snowy White

MalcolmYoungRock 05-24-2005 05:34 PM

Great analysis Med, I thought it was really well thought out and well presented.

TheDMV 05-24-2005 05:41 PM

Med for President! :lol:

That was an excellent reveiw. I had never thought about the lyrics that way, partially because I could never understand all of them :p That song is one of the songs my dad recommended to me and that got me into Floyd. Great Work :thumb:

lunch998 05-24-2005 07:25 PM

That was deep, nice job Med. No less than what I'd expect from you.

moaner 05-25-2005 09:23 AM

um, I WANT TO SEE THE OTHERS!!!!

heh...

moaner 05-25-2005 04:43 PM

[QUOTE]And you run and you run to catch up with the sun, but it’s sinking
And racing around to come up behind you again
The sun is the same in the relative way, but you’re older
Shorter of breath and one day closer to death[/QUOTE]

to me, this means "if you try to stop time catching up on you, you're wasting it even more trying".

lunch998 05-25-2005 07:47 PM

Come on people, we need your analysis.

BigTrav415 05-25-2005 08:48 PM

While we wait, check out this crazy Wall shirt I just bought
[url]http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7516861390&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWN%3AIT&rd=1[/url]
I still gotta pay for it (I have to put money into my account to transfer it to my Paypal account to send to him o_0)

lunch998 05-25-2005 09:42 PM

That is a pretty cool shirt.

moaner 05-26-2005 05:04 AM

hawt.

i really want a meddle shirt.

Riva 05-26-2005 05:25 AM

[QUOTE=lunch998]Come on people, we need your analysis.[/QUOTE]

I assume you mean me. :p

BlackDeathMetalJazz or really ANYTHING else please- 05-26-2005 05:49 AM

[url]http://www.pinkfloydz.com/the_cracked_ballad_of_syd_.htm[/url]

This is a very great link here. If you're not familer with the Syd Barrett story I suggest you read it.

lunch998 05-26-2005 05:20 PM

[QUOTE=HeavyRiva]I assume you mean me. :p[/QUOTE]

Whoever owes them. I know you're busy at uni so I wasn't trying to give you a hard time, but people are anxious to get going on WYWH.

Riva 05-26-2005 06:29 PM

[b]Brain Damage[/b]

[quote]The lunatic is on the grass
The lunatic is on the grass
remembering games and daisy chains and laughs
got to keep the loonies on the path[/quote]

This line basically refers to the fact that the man, who is the focus of Dark Side Of The Moon, is remembering his childhood, and is possibly slipping into senility, or another kind of infantilism.


[quote]The lunatic is in the hall
the lunatics are in the hall
the paper holds their folded faces to the floor
and every day the paper boy brings more [/quote]

This one is more of a stab at the politicians. [i]The lunatic is in the hall, the lunatics are in the hall[/i] refers to the Prime Minister, and his parliament. The newspaper prints their faces with sometimes deriding or critical headlines, hence lowering their self opinion. The paper boy bringing more could refer to the fact that the lunacy never ends, or that the public gets tired of the self-importance of these elected officials.

[quote]And if the dam breaks open many years too soon
and if there is no room upon the hill
and if your head explodes with dark forebodings too
I'll see you on the dark side of the moon [/quote]

Basically, this stanza, and the very last one, both have the same message. If you realise the state of the world, and see the terrible situation that we are all in, then you can leave it to go to the Dark Side of the Moon, i.e. death. The dam is basically the all the terrible things in the world, and when you realise they are there, if you don’t have a loved one to lean on, i.e. drag you from depression, you will probably have morbid thoughts.

[quote]The lunatic is in my head
The lunatic is in my head
You raise the blade, you make the change.
You rearrange me till I'm sane.
You lock the door,
And throw away the key.
There's someone in my head but it's not me… [/quote]

This line is perhaps one of the pivotal lines of DSotM. This basically refers to the fact that the subject of the album, our protagonist, is not actually insane. Or, in other words, he doesn’t believe he is sane, he believes that another influence (the outside world) is making him act strangely. The outside world, however, doesn’t care, so they simply cut and mould the person into a more “sane” human being.

[quote]And if the cloud bursts, thunder in your ear
you shout and no one seems to hear
and if the band you're in starts playing different tunes
I'll see you on the dark side of the moon. [/quote]

Again, the realisation that society isn’t a pretty place drives you to the edge. If you have no one to talk to, and your expectations of the world don’t match reality, you might as well escape.

[i]If anyone knows what the spoken part is, I will gladly review that. This is my personal opinion, so feel free to discuss any deviations from what the song is meant to mean...[/i]

Eclipse to come. :)

Distant Echoes 05-26-2005 06:32 PM

Very nice job Riva :thumb:

One of the few floyd songs i can actually sing, so I am fimiliar with the lyrics very well. This song and eclipse sum up the entire album very well.

Riva 05-26-2005 06:33 PM

So far we have:

[b]Shine On You Crazy Diamond (I-V)[/b] - Slowhand, Moaner
[b]Welcome To The Machine[/b] - Bennyl
[b]Have A Cigar[/b] - Robo2248
[b]Wish You Were Here[/b] - HeavyRiva/Malcolm Young Rock
[b]Shine On You Crazy Diamond (VI-IX)[/b] - Slowhand

That leaves a spot on WTTM, HAC and SOYCD 6-9.

moaner 05-27-2005 07:45 AM

i take shine on 1-5.

robo2448 05-27-2005 10:05 AM

[QUOTE=HeavyRiva]Dibs your WYWH song now. Two people per song. I pick Wish You Were Here. :cool:

Shine On You Crazy Diamond (I-V)
Welcome To The Machine
Have A Cigar
Wish You Were Here - HeavyRiva
Shine On You Crazy Diamond (VI-IX)[/QUOTE]

I'll do Have A Cigar.

moaner 05-27-2005 12:27 PM

med got something wrong in his "featured artist" thing.

the voice in the great gig in the sky does NOT say "If you can hear this whispering you're dieing". It actually says "I never said I was frightened of dieing", in response to the card "why are you frightened of dieing?", the same question asked to the guy who said "There's no need for it, you've got to go sometime."

moaner 05-27-2005 12:27 PM

does anyone know what the song "any colour you like" was about? creativity?

i know all the rest.

lunch998 05-27-2005 01:17 PM

We already have the first set of dibs for WYWH...

[QUOTE=lunch998]SOYCD(All parts until further notice): Slowhand, Moaner(1-5)
Welcome to the Machine: Bennyl
Have a Cigar: MYR, Robo2448
WYWH: Riva[/QUOTE]

And now it's updated.


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