[QUOTE=super_blockhead;18437563]I'm ripping on religious people because they have terrible logic and act like they have all the answers. Why are you christian instead of muslim? I bet the reason is because your parents raised you christian. You're probably the same denomination as they are too. What makes christianity any more credible than any other religion? Why don't you believe that dogs can fly through outer space? there's just as much evidence.[/QUOTE]

dogs can fly through outer space though....

[QUOTE=super_blockhead;18437563]I'm ripping on religious people because they have terrible logic and act like they have all the answers. Why are you christian instead of muslim? I bet the reason is because your parents raised you christian. You're probably the same denomination as they are too. What makes christianity any more credible than any other religion? Why don't you believe that dogs can fly through outer space? there's just as much evidence.[/QUOTE]

I'm not christian in belief, I am culturally. I am culturally because I am part of a christian culture.
It isn't any more credible, I'm saying that this almighty "credibility" you always hark back to isn't actually tangible or important

I can deduce that dogs can't fly through space because of the biological limitations that they share with us. And I can use this logic because I realize that there is something transcendental about logic that can't be explained with logic.

[QUOTE=P13;18437561]@adb forever
hey did you know that lots of science relies on infinity
did you know that you can't have empirical evidence for infinity
oh fuck well then lets just throw it out



some of it is an understatement

prove to me that 1 comes before 2 and that 6 comes after 5
you do it with induction

then you have to prove induction
well you do it because numbers are well ordered and you can predict what will come after another number

oh well then you have to prove that with induction

and around and around you go

that is the basis of all science, and the foundation of science is circular.[/QUOTE]

one coming before two is common sense. one is just a concept for what we already know. if you see one rock to your right and two on the left you know that there are more on the left side. the numbers are just used to refer to what we already know.

one coming before two is no where near the leap of faith that believing there is an omnipotent deity who created everyone and established all these ethical guidelines and that there is a vast history of the heavens and earth that no one can prove

[QUOTE=super_blockhead;18437563]I'm ripping on religious people because they have terrible logic and act like they have all the answers. Why are you christian instead of muslim? I bet the reason is because your parents raised you christian. You're probably the same denomination as they are too. What makes christianity any more credible than any other religion? Why don't you believe that dogs can fly through outer space? there's just as much evidence.[/QUOTE]

Why should you, or do you care if it doesn't affect you, which I assume it doesn't. Do you work at an abortion clinic and find yourself subjected to ridicule ?

p13 and subsequently all religious people's arguments in a nutshell:

[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/4tDAM.jpg[/IMG]

[QUOTE=super_blockhead;18437567]one coming before two is common sense. one is just a concept for what we already know. if you see one rock to your right and two on the left you know that there are more on the left side. the numbers are just used to refer to what we already know.

one coming before two is no where near the leap of faith that believing there is an omnipotent deity who created everyone and established all these ethical guidelines and that there is a vast history of the heavens and earth that no one can prove[/QUOTE]

common sense doesn't mean shit

you can't prove that natural numbers go up by increments of 1 without induction
and induction can't be proved without natural numbers going up by increments of one

I'm not talking about magnitude, I'm talking about order.

abd tell me why 2 + 2 = 4

[QUOTE=P13;18437566]I'm not christian in belief, I am culturally. I am culturally because I am part of a christian culture.
It isn't any more credible, I'm saying that this almighty "credibility" you always hark back to isn't actually tangible or important

I can deduce that dogs can't fly through space because of the biological limitations that they share with us. And I can use this logic because I realize that there is something transcendental about logic that can't be explained with logic.[/QUOTE]

what do you mean you are "culturally" christian? you don't believe the bible or in god?

why would anyone believe in a god when there is no evidence at all? that's like me believing that spider-man is real because he has a long history and i really want him to be real. if it makes me happier to believe that spider-man is real is that not stupid?

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z

@sam
I'm culturally christian in that I celebrate Easter and the other holidays, and that's about it. Being culturally christian doesn't entail much.
and no I believe in God but not the God of Abraham that comes in and fucks with shit all the time.

people believe in god because it makes them feel good, that's good enough for most peope

adb tell me why 2 x 2 = 4

*abd

[QUOTE=2muchket!;18437568]Why should you, or do you care if it doesn't affect you, which I assume it doesn't. Do you work at an abortion clinic and find yourself subjected to ridicule ?[/QUOTE]

I don't go around starting arguments with people about this in real life. It just stuns me how gullible some people are to believe this shit. It amazes me that in this day and age people still believe in fairy tales from thousands of years ago.

why the fuck would that "stun" you

are you new to earth or are you being insincere

@ hsg

maths, bro

@adb
see previous posts

[QUOTE=super_blockhead;18437579]I don't go around starting arguments with people about this in real life. It just stuns me how gullible some people are to believe this shit. It amazes me that in this day and age people still believe in fairy tales from thousands of years ago.[/QUOTE]

oh hey sam

god doesn't exist

I have proof eh

[QUOTE=P13;18437575][B][I][size=+4]BY DEFINITION[/size][/I][/B]

z

@sam
I'm culturally christian in that I celebrate Easter and the other holidays, and that's about it. Being culturally christian doesn't entail much.
and no I believe in God but not the God of Abraham that comes in and fucks with shit all the time.

people believe in god because it makes them feel good, that's good enough for most peope[/QUOTE]

if i believe in spider-man and the green goblin and they are my equivalent of god and satan is that not stupid?

[QUOTE]@adb
see previous posts[/QUOTE]

so whats your conclusion to this whole discussion?

that there are no absolute truths? cool bro, totally didn't know that already

[QUOTE=super_blockhead;18437579]I don't go around starting arguments with people about this in real life. It just stuns me how gullible some people are to believe this shit. It amazes me that in this day and age people still believe in fairy tales from thousands of years ago.[/QUOTE]

Well no of course you don't and I wouldn't expect you to, and it does amaze me too that people still believe in religion in western society. I was a lot more arrogant and lot less understanding and would freely call anyone with faith a moron, until I encountered my best friend at uni who's pretty much my intellectual superior and is a devout Christian. Through her I met a fair few devout Christians who weren't bumbling red necks.

She found god after her dad died and it made things better for her and her family, and I couldn't really argue against her.

[QUOTE=P13;18437586]@adb
see previous posts



oh hey sam

god doesn't exist

I have proof eh[/QUOTE]

to clarify I am not a militant atheist, i'm an agnostic leaning strongly towards atheism. I don't think that god DEFINITELY doesn't exist, but since I have seen nothing to support the idea that it is real, my educated guess would be that it's not. someone asserting that something is true has the burden of proof. there is no reason to assume something is true because you can't prove it isn't.

[QUOTE=2muchket!;18437590]Well no of course you don't and I wouldn't expect you to, and it does amaze me too that people still believe in religion in western society. I was a lot more arrogant and lot less understanding and would freely call anyone with faith a moron, until I encountered my best friend at uni who's pretty much my intellectual superior and is a devout Christian. Through her I met a fair few devout Christians who weren't bumbling red necks.[/QUOTE]

i have a lot of christian friends too. i don't hate them or think they are bad people, i just think it's stupid to believe something blindly. i hate religion not the religious

educated guess means you have evidence
you're just making a guess

ok but the thing is that it has been established that god's existence can't be proved or disproved so there is no burden of proof.

[QUOTE=super_blockhead;18437591]to clarify I am not a militant atheist, i'm an agnostic leaning strongly towards atheism. I don't think that god DEFINITELY doesn't exist, but since I have seen nothing to support the idea that it is real, my educated guess would be that it's not. someone asserting that something is true has the burden of proof. there is no reason to assume something is true because you can't prove it isn't.



[B]i have a lot of christian friends too. i don't hate them or think they are bad people, i just think it's stupid to believe something blindly. i hate religion not the religious[/B][/QUOTE]

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Me not despising people for their religious beliefs is rather out of character for me also, I'm a lot more arrogant and condescending in arguments and in general irl.

[QUOTE=adbforever;18437589]so whats your conclusion to this whole discussion?

that there are no absolute truths? cool bro, totally didn't know that already[/QUOTE]

my conclusion is that there is a limit to logic
this does not entail that there are no absolute truths

[QUOTE=adbforever;18437585]@ hsg

maths, bro[/QUOTE]

which you probably suck at, by the way

fucking retard


come hang out in pnwi for a few days

we all have our own perspectives

mine, as you all know

involves business concepts - psychographics. If someone is religious I can stereotype that they have certain attitudes, interests, and opinions which relate to their religious doctrines

and the same can be said with non-religious. Pretty much the people that I talk to and like are all non-religious

stereotyping
strong argument

choose one

[QUOTE=super_blockhead;18437587]if i believe in spider-man and the green goblin and they are my equivalent of god and satan is that not stupid?[/QUOTE]

this is an oversimplification of the situation.
the person who created spiderman is still alive and doesn't claim they are equivalent to god and satan

the people who wrote the various holy books around the world aren't alive and have claimed that the books were given to them from god in some way

im really catholic guys

This discussion has really been done to death on the internet, can't believe it's reared it's ugly head again.

it all started with adb being a condescending dick

It all started because adb wanted to argue. I participated through boredom.

and you guys perceiving it as such not ignoring me

I really should start a tally on how many times you guys put me on ignore

mitch
steve
p13
frankie
jason

yeah you really should do something like that

you know

because of the aspergers

Well anyway, how the fuck is everyone ?

I may try some opiates before I go truly straight edge, your recommendations sam ?

well seeing as some of the time you are just a normal person I decided to take you off ignore

and then I put on ignore for stuff like this

and then I take you off because i'm like "how bad can it be?"

fuck it

@liam
I'm good, starting to study for my midterm tomorrow, it's only like 2.5 chapters so it's not that bad

I got some faster internet shit installed yesterday, shits dope

i have to go take care of some business. i've stated my opinons and don't have much else to say.

[QUOTE]I may try some opiates before I go truly straight edge, your recommendations sam ?[/QUOTE]

hydros obv

[QUOTE=P13;18437612]well seeing as some of the time you are just a normal person I decided to take you off ignore

and then I put on ignore for stuff like this

and then I take you off because i'm like "how bad can it be?"

fuck it

@liam
I'm good, starting to study for my midterm tomorrow, it's only like 2.5 chapters so it's not that bad[/QUOTE]

Sounds pretty good. I'm just chilling atm might go to bed soon had my last class of this academic year today, I have an assignment to hand in the beginning of April and then off for 3 weeks for Easter, then my exams start in mid-May and finish on the 27th of May (also the date of my first gig w/ band).

Stoked to have 4/5 months off.

your school ends way later than mine

my last exam is on April 19th

just woke up had viper piss again thats 2 days of wipin the floor in a row

[QUOTE=P13;18437621]your school ends way later than mine

my last exam is on April 19th[/QUOTE]

When does your academic year start ?