[QUOTE=Illmatic]They certainly want to seem that way.[/QUOTE]



I lived in Minnesota for 18 years and never once felt, saw or heard of any animosity towards the south. You may have experience from a different area of the north, but I can say this is probably not true generally speaking.

[QUOTE=zeppelinfan2k3]In my opinion. Keep in mind it's not that radical of an idea. Many religions teach us to look forward to death.[/QUOTE]
That life is just the beginning.

[QUOTE=cjborton]I lived in Minnesota for 18 years and never once felt, saw or heard of any animosity towards the south. You may have experience from a different area of the north, but I can say this is probably not true generally speaking.[/QUOTE]

This is the Northeast we're talking about here. Minnesota is in the conservative part of the North. I live in a North where being liberal seems to mean that even if the liberal knows as little about a given issue as a similarly uneducated conservative, the fact that they're liberal automatically means that they are on the side of progress and righteousness and so gives them liscense to incessantly open their ultimately ignorant mouths to voice their "opinions." I pride myself on not being one of these "liberals." I'm a real one.

[QUOTE=Efilnikufesin]That life is just the beginning.[/QUOTE]
Regardless of how they teach it, the point is that after death your lot improves because life is so bad, it is easy to accept.

[QUOTE=Efilnikufesin]It might have to do with stereotypes.

You know, southerners being trashy and uneducated, and racist, while people in the Northeast are surrounded by colleges and have more privileges.[/QUOTE]

The north is full of white trash. My 500,000-dollars-per-house town is still filled with it. Very often Northerners have no call to be stereotyping, since the North is just a more populated, commercialized version of a group of people with all the same stupid hang-ups.

[QUOTE=Cain]Connecticut, the most segregated state in the U.S. I first realized I had a race problem when I shrunk in fear from the gigantic, taller stronger black kids shipped out to my school from failing schools from the inner city of Hartford and asked myself "Why do they WANT to be so stupid? They act like they think growing up to be an illiterate crack dealer is preferable to doing well in school and getting a good job." That was when I first realized that I was stereotyping without the slightest idea of what might actually cause them to act like "idiots" such as, for instance, the environment they grew up in and the pressures put on them by the nation's inherently racist system. I was stereotyping because I knew nothing about them as actual people. Since then I'm taking a lot of classes on race relations in the U.S., which are discussion based and will hopefully educate me about what's actually going on.[/QUOTE]

Well, yeah, there's a lot of pressure on black people to act "black" (I get a lot of flack from black friends, however jokingly, because I'm half-white). Because school is generally considered a "white" instituition (which was hammered into our predecessors' brains as a symbol of black power), a black guy who takes interest in it is considered "whiter" and one who rejects it is thus rejecting The Man. And that is compounded with the fact that a lot of us grow up in bad situations and the emphasis is to scrape enough money by to survive rather than getting an education.

[QUOTE=cj]I lived in Minnesota for 18 years and never once felt, saw or heard of any animosity towards the south. You may have experience from a different area of the north, but I can say this is probably not true generally speaking.[/QUOTE]

I'm talking about the Northeast United States (MA, CT, NY, and PA, with less important states scattered among them). I've found that the Midwest (which is what Minnesota is considered a part of) is like the South in that it's generally a very pleasant place.

I mean, I spent the last ten years of my life growing up in Massachusetts, which is the most pretentious, eggheaded part of the country.

[QUOTE=Cain]The north is full of white trash. My 500,000-dollars-per-house town is still filled with it. Very often Northerners have no call to be stereotyping, since the North is just a more populated, commercialized version of a group of people with all the same stupid hang-ups.[/QUOTE]
White trash is everywhere.

If any of you come to Southern California, and go to Riverside, you will probably never see more white trash in one town anywhere else.

[QUOTE=Illmatic]Well, yeah, there's a lot of pressure on black people to act "black" (I get a lot of flack from black friends, however jokingly, because I'm half-white). Because school is generally considered a "white" instituition (which was hammered into our predecessors' brains as a symbol of black power), a black guy who takes interest in it is considered "whiter" and one who rejects it is thus rejecting The Man. And that is compounded with the fact that a lot of us grow up in bad situations and the emphasis is to scrape enough money by to survive rather than getting an education.
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Thank you for that. I copy-pasted it, just because it made such a deep impression. (Really).

Have you seen the movie "Bamboozled?"

[QUOTE=Cain]Thank you for that. I copy-pasted it, just because it made such a deep impression. (Really).[/QUOTE]

I'm geniunely flattered. Although one thing I'd like to change is to change "rejecting The Man" to "resisting The Man"...I think "resisting" works better there.

[QUOTE=Cain]Have you seen the movie "Bamboozled?"[/QUOTE]

I love "Bamboozled".

So when I went to Cornell for my visit, they were throwing a riot against minority admissions, that was comforting heh :) (This being an Ivy league institution in New York)

[QUOTE=Illmatic]I'm geniunely flattered. Although one thing I'd like to change is to change "rejecting The Man" to "resisting The Man"...I think "resisting" works better there.



I love "Bamboozled".[/QUOTE]

That movie was one of the most important experiences in my racially-aware life. I could go for a really long time talking about why, but...not right now. I'm glad you like it, though. Everyone should see it. It's a really important movie for all Americans to watch, IMO.

[QUOTE=Cain]This is the Northeast we're talking about here. Minnesota is in the conservative part of the North. I live in a North where being liberal seems to mean that even if the liberal knows as little about a given issue as a similarly uneducated conservative, the fact that they're liberal automatically means that they are on the side of progress and righteousness and so gives them liscense to incessantly open their ultimately ignorant mouths to voice their "opinions." I pride myself on not being one of these "liberals." I'm a real one.[/QUOTE]

Quoted again for Vince. This is the way so many of these people are. Sometimes I feel like I'm the only liberal that manages to look at any conservative stumping point from an objective perspective. Going to the self-proclaimed most liberal school in the country doesn't really help.

[QUOTE=zeppelinfan2k3]So when I went to Cornell for my visit, they were throwing a riot against minority admissions, that was comforting heh :) (This being an Ivy league institution in New York)[/QUOTE]

Wait, what happened? Explain.

[QUOTE=Cain]That movie was one of the most important experiences in my racially-aware life. I could go for a really long time talking about why, but...not right now. I'm glad you like it, though. Everyone should see it. It's a really important movie for all Americans to watch, IMO.[/QUOTE]

I love Spike Lee...I've seen just about all his flicks. Do The Right Thing, He Got Game, Jungle Fever, Hoop Dreams, Malcolm X, and Bamboozled are all in my top 15-20 movies ever.

[QUOTE=Illmatic]Wait, what happened? Explain.



I love Spike Lee...I've seen just about all his flicks. Do The Right Thing, He Got Game, Jungle Fever, Hoop Dreams, Malcolm X, and Bamboozled are all in my top 15-20 movies ever.[/QUOTE]

Did you like Boyz N The Hood? It made a lesser impression on me, but still, a very smart aware film, I thought. I could be wrong though...

[QUOTE=Cain]Quoted again for Vince. This is the way so many of these people are. Sometimes I feel like I'm the only liberal that manages to look at any conservative stumping point from an objective perspective. Going to the self-proclaimed most liberal school in the country doesn't really help.[/QUOTE]
Why quoted for me? I go to a very conservative school and am easily the most liberal person I have ever talked to here. I am thus obliged to make well researched arguments in order to even gain a modicum of respect as far as my opinion goes.

[QUOTE=zeppelinfan2k3]Why quoted for me? I go to a very conservative school and am easily the most liberal person I have ever talked to here. I am thus obliged to make well researched arguments in order to even gain a modicum of respect as far as my opinion goes.[/QUOTE]

I was talking more about my situation: see what being in an overhwlemingly "liberal" location feels like and the ironies inherent to it. Maybe I was just venting and was sad that no one responded to that post in particular. :)

[QUOTE=Illmatic]Wait, what happened? Explain.
[/QUOTE]
While there for my visit, there was a large protest by the students protesting minority admissions to the college. Basically protesting affirmative action, and several newspapers even put in articles on it.

[QUOTE=Cain]I was talking more about my situation: see what being in an overhwlemingly "liberal" location feels like and the ironies inherent to it. Maybe I was just venting and was sad that no one responded to that post in particular. :)[/QUOTE]
Oh... :confused:

Well the point is being educated about your opinion is way more important than the opinion itself.

[QUOTE=Cain]Did you like Boyz N The Hood? It made a lesser impression on me, but still, a very smart aware film, I thought. I could be wrong though...[/QUOTE]

Loved it. And yes, it is an important movie for the black community.

And to add to another topic at hand: I go to a liberal school...but it's a state school (not a liberal-arts school) and most of the people there are from Illinois (so there are a lot of genuinely nice people)

All right, guys. I'm really tired, so I think I'm gonna head out now. I hope I don't come on tommorrow to see Jim catching hell for not wanting to go with the flow of the discussion...that's all I'll say about that.

Anyway, good night all. This was a great discussion, thanks for including me in it. :wave:

[QUOTE=zeppelinfan2k3]While there for my visit, there was a large protest by the students protesting minority admissions to the college. Basically protesting affirmative action, and several newspapers even put in articles on it.[/QUOTE]

So they were protesting Affirmative Action, not having minorities in their school.

Well, that's what I hope.

Peace Cain.

This convo has inspired me to write. Maybe by this time tomorrow I'll have some lyrics :eek:

[QUOTE=Illmatic]So they were protesting Affirmative Action, not having minorities in their school.

Well, that's what I hope.[/QUOTE]

Lol, I hope so too.

Ok, bed-time. Good night, guys. Thanks for the intellectual stimulation. :)

[QUOTE=Illmatic]So they were protesting Affirmative Action, not having minorities in their school.

Well, that's what I hope.[/QUOTE]
I hope so too, but I wouldn't be too sure judging be the glares they gave minority students. Basically, if you think they got in because of affirmitive action, it's easy to assume you're better than them, even if they are better than you.

[QUOTE=Cain]All right, guys. I'm really tired, so I think I'm gonna head out now. I hope I don't come on tommorrow to see Jim catching hell for not wanting to go with the flow of the discussion...that's all I'll say about that.

Anyway, good night all. This was a great discussion, thanks for including me in it. :wave:[/QUOTE]
Night :wave:

I think I'm about to go too :)

[QUOTE=zeppelinfan2k3]I hope so too, but I wouldn't be too sure judging be the glares they gave minority students. Basically, if you think they got in because of affirmitive action, it's easy to assume you're better than them, even if they are better than you.[/QUOTE]

I think some of the white students at UIUC feel the same way about me :-\

Peace Vince.

It's nice to have some serious discussion in here. I just wish it was more commonplace.

afternoon everybody

Well, I'm exhausted even though it's only 11:30 here o_O

Night, whoever is left in the thread.

the night is young my starry eyed amigoe!

mourning all...(see what I did there?)

performing oedipus tonight for my drama exam
absolutely sh[SIZE=1]it[/SIZE]ting my pants with fear...

[QUOTE=zepfan]
No it's worse, you do care and do nothing about it.[/QUOTE]

No real reason for quoting that, don't worry.

Hello, anyone.

Hello everyone. I like the new thread name.

I've been up all night and I have school in a hour...:(

Alright bartender, hows it hanging?

I dont have school. Half-Term over here.

[QUOTE=lilpete86]Alright bartender, hows it hanging?[/QUOTE]

Hey man. Yeah, I'm good, just got back home for Easter holiday yesterday. Yourself?

yeah got back on saturday, suffering from my 4th migraine in 2 weeks which is a bit of a bummer.

I love Easter holiday. So far today, i woke up at 8, made a big fry up, played drums for 2 hours, and played Counter-Strike.

:cool:

Well goodnight everyone got to get a good nights (hour) sleep before school.

[QUOTE=lilpete86]yeah got back on saturday, suffering from my 4th migraine in 2 weeks which is a bit of a bummer.[/QUOTE]

That does kind of suck :-/

At least you've got a holiday to get rid of it/them, I suppose.

See you Schyma.