[QUOTE=P13;18437488]@adb
nice not actually putting forth a rebuttal :thumb:



all of mathematics and therefore science is based on circular logic
just saying[/QUOTE]

This is quite a naive view point to take Goran.

[QUOTE=2muchket!;18437478]Some people need religions in their life as a crutch to get through the day, like you choose to have opiates in your life sam.
.[/QUOTE]

Opiates have a negative effect on my life because of the money I spend and the damage the acetaminophen does to my liver. I'll admit that.

But religion is based on throwing critical thinking out the window and blindly believing something. Opiates are a high, they don't involve deceiving yourself into thinking life is something it's not.

[QUOTE=super_blockhead;18437485]
religion basically discourages skepticism and critical thinking, which is what science is based on. it also says that people who don't believe or are of a different religion go straight to hell to be tortured forever. that's not very accepting or kind. assuming god is even real, why would i worship one that is enough of an asshole to send nonbelievers to ETERNAL TORTURE?[/QUOTE]

these are only true of protestant christianity

and lots of things are based on arbitrary beliefs

@2muchket
it's not naive it's fact

[QUOTE=adbforever;18437484]stem cell research[/QUOTE]

Pol Pott and Hitler were atheists. Therefore going on your logic all atheists including myself are anti-Semitic and have genocidal tendencies correct ?

blockhead if the ubermensch is a 10

you're like a 4 or something

[QUOTE=2muchket!;18437501]Pol Pott and Hitler were atheists. Therefore going on your logic all atheists including myself are anti-Semitic and have genocidal tendencies correct ?[/QUOTE]

horrible, horrible argument.

atheists have no objective or ABSOLUTE morality. It's subjective.

[QUOTE=2muchket!;18437491]No-one here is really religious or at best, culturally so like you were in your youth. All your doing it re-iterating what most people here have consciously considered and one time or another.[/QUOTE]

I was never super religious. i was always agnostic, I was jsut involved with the church because I had friends there and my mom's side of the family expected it of me.

i'm not saying i'm making any shocking points, i'm just sharing my experiences and beliefs

adb ur like a 3.5

[QUOTE=super_blockhead;18437497]Opiates have a negative effect on my life because of the money I spend and the damage the acetaminophen does to my liver. I'll admit that.

But religion is based on throwing critical thinking out the window and blindly believing something. Opiates are a high, they don't involve deceiving yourself into thinking life is something it's not.[/QUOTE]

Getting a Euphoric feeling from doing mundane tasks isn't deceiving yourself into thinking life is something it isn't ? Really ?

[QUOTE=P13;18437499]these are only true of protestant christianity

and lots of things are based on arbitrary beliefs

@2muchket
it's not naive it's fact[/QUOTE]

all christianity says you have to blindly believe in fairy tales from 2000 years ago. it's incredibly stupid

[QUOTE=super_blockhead;18437509]all christianity says you have to blindly believe in fairy tales from 2000 years ago. it's incredibly stupid[/QUOTE]

actually no it doesn't
that's why extra-scriptural theology exists

super blockhead do you believe in the higgs boson

[QUOTE=NEEDTOPOST;18437506]adb ur like a 3.5[/QUOTE]

agreed. I'm p above average

[QUOTE=2muchket!;18437507]Getting a Euphoric feeling from doing mundane tasks isn't deceiving yourself into thinking life is something it isn't ? Really ?[/QUOTE]

i'm aware that it's a drug and that's why it makes me feel like that. i understand the way opiates work. the only similarity is that both opiates and religion make people happy. i'm not blindly believing in something with no proof. using opiates isn't based on a logical fallacy

[QUOTE=adbforever;18437515]agreed. I'm p above average[/QUOTE]

average is 5 sorry i forgot to tell you what is obvious to people of average intelligence

[QUOTE=P13;18437511]actually no it doesn't
that's why extra-scriptural theology exists[/QUOTE]

:rolleyes: it all expects you to believe in something with no proof and discourages skepticism. it uses scare tactics to keep people committed. it's retarded

hey adb do you discard all science and mathematics because the two basic theories that define all of both are used to prove each other?

[QUOTE=super_blockhead;18437521]it uses scare tactics to keep people committed. it's retarded[/QUOTE]
sounds pretty smart to me

i wonder if it works...


oh wait it works really well

are you seriously trying to compare science to religion as if religion is based on facts and logic?

lol

As much as I would like to believe people can get through the day without the crutch of drug addiction or religious beliefs - it's a fact some people need that. I need smoking at this point in time, that's my crutch.

It's just as hypocritical to rely on a drug which have serious health draw backs to induce happiness as it is to base your life principles in an omnipotent god. It's not sound logic for myself to carry on smoking and relieve stress and make me feel happy considering the health implications it has. And don't give me the whole bullshit argument that opiates don't have any drawbacks you've said dope sickness is shitty yourself.

people who are devout christians are just more gullible and willing to accept things blindly. if they were born in the middle east they would be muslims. there's nothing special about christianity, it's just another made up belief system to deceive yourself.

why do you believe in christianity and not islam?

i worship myself

cuz islum is for sand ******z retard

[QUOTE=P13;18437523]hey adb do you discard all science and mathematics because the two basic theories that define all of both are used to prove each other?[/QUOTE]

nah

and frankie, your other vice is jackin

[QUOTE=2muchket!;18437531]As much as I would like to believe people can get through the day without the crutch of drug addiction or religious beliefs - it's a fact some people need that. I need smoking at this point in time, that's my crutch.

It's just as hypocritical to rely on a drug which have serious health draw backs to induce happiness as it is to base your life principles in an omnipotent god. It's not sound logic for myself to carry on smoking and relieve stress and make me feel happy considering the health implications it has.[/QUOTE]

I'm a drug addict. I admit that. I'm not deceiving myself.

Religious people deceive themselves into believing there is a purpose to life.

Drugs and religions both make people happy, but drugs aren't based on blindly believing something with no proof, which is the main problem i have with religion.

[QUOTE=super_blockhead;18437529]are you seriously trying to compare science to religion as if religion is based on facts and logic?

lol[/QUOTE]

no
I'm saying that belief and acceptance is the same thing in religion and science.

most people don't know how to estimate the value of pi, but if someone said it was about 3.14159 you wouldn't consider yourself a religious fanatic because you believe them with no proof.
It's not exactly the same thing, but fuck, you guys make it seem like believing in something with no proof makes you a retard. It just makes you brave (for lack of a better word).

[QUOTE=super_blockhead;18437540]I'm a drug addict. I admit that. I'm not deceiving myself.

Religious people deceive themselves into believing there is a purpose to life.

Drugs and religions both make people happy, but drugs aren't based on blindly believing something with no proof, which is the main problem i have with religion.[/QUOTE]

the biggest problem u have is that ur really dumb

[QUOTE]It's not exactly the same thing[/QUOTE]

then your argument falls flat

gg

[QUOTE]you guys make it seem like believing in something with no proof makes you a retard[/QUOTE]

it does

[QUOTE=P13;18437541]no
I'm saying that belief and acceptance is the same thing in religion and science.

most people don't know how to estimate the value of pi, but if someone said it was about 3.14159 you wouldn't consider yourself a religious fanatic because you believe them with no proof.
It's not exactly the same thing, but fuck, you guys make it seem like believing in something with no proof makes you a retard. It just makes you brave (for lack of a better word).[/QUOTE]

brave? it's brave to tell yourself something is real to make you feel like your life has a grand purpose and there is an afterlife when all logic and probability point to it being bullshit? I don't know man, i would say that's more being gullible than being brave

that's like saying it's brave to drive a car off a cliff because you have faith that your car can fly because someone told you a story about flying cars

sam you sound like a person who is from the 19th century

life has purpose even if you're an atheist

[QUOTE=adbforever;18437539]nah

and frankie, your other vice is jackin[/QUOTE]

then by your belief system you should reject all science and mathematics because they are based on circular reasoning

HOLY FUCK YOUR LIFE IS FALLING APART BEFORE YOUR EYES

i can't stand this

nothing would make me happier than a couple of epiphanies to visit these two assholes in the night, conferring an awareness of their intelligence as it relates to the rest of the world

u guys are so dumb that i cant even make u understand how dumb u are

p13 is basically if anglachel wasnt a huge troll and actually formulated answers, they're still horrible

because

you cannot compare science to religion. One deals with the natural realm and can be verified with empirical evidence. Supernatural cannot.

Case closeD

[QUOTE=P13;18437549]sam you sound like a person who is from the 19th century

life has purpose even if you're an atheist[/QUOTE]

haha okay that's true let me rephrase. life doesn't have a grand purpose. it's whatever you want it to be. some people's purpose is to be happy, others is to achieve a goal, etc. what i mean is there is there is no grand plan or designated purpose for all of us

@sam
yeah but how is making up your own purpose better than believing that there is a grand purpose. there is no reason to rip on religious people for believing because religion doesn't do it for you

[QUOTE=adbforever;18437545]then your argument falls flat

gg



it does[/QUOTE]

I'm saying it's not exactly the same because supernatural experiences are much less prevalent than, you know, numbers.
but lots of people claim to have them and it strengthens their faith. And in these cases the belief in the accuracy of pi and the belief in god is the same

[QUOTE=P13;18437549]then by your belief system you should reject all science and mathematics because they are based on circular reasoning

HOLY FUCK YOUR LIFE IS FALLING APART BEFORE YOUR EYES[/QUOTE]

dude, science is based on facts. so is mathematics. there is a thing called the scientific method. sure some of it requires circular logic but overall it is way more credible than religion because the vast majority of it is based on facts where as religion is based on fairy tales

[QUOTE=adbforever;18437555]p13 is basically if anglachel wasnt a huge troll and actually formulated answers, they're still horrible

because

you cannot compare science to religion. One deals with the natural realm and can be verified with empirical evidence. Supernatural cannot.

Case closeD[/QUOTE]

yeah this is what a lot of high schoolers who listen to tool and bill hicks say

[QUOTE=P13;18437557]@sam
yeah but how is making up your own purpose better than believing that there is a grand purpose. there is no reason to rip on religious people for believing because religion doesn't do it for you



I'm saying it's not exactly the same because supernatural experiences are much less prevalent than, you know, numbers.
but lots of people claim to have them and it strengthens their faith. And in these cases the belief in the accuracy of pi and the belief in god is the same[/QUOTE]



you cannot compare science to religion. One deals with the natural realm and can be verified with empirical evidence. Supernatural cannot.

Case closeD

@adb forever
hey did you know that lots of science relies on infinity
did you know that you can't have empirical evidence for infinity
oh fuck well then lets just throw it out

[QUOTE=super_blockhead;18437558]dude, science is based on facts. so is mathematics. there is a thing called the scientific method. sure some of it requires circular logic but overall it is way more credible than religion because the vast majority of it is based on facts where as religion is based on fairy tales[/QUOTE]

some of it is an understatement

prove to me that 1 comes before 2 and that 6 comes after 5
you do it with induction

then you have to prove induction
well you do it because numbers are well ordered and you can predict what will come after another number

oh well then you have to prove that with induction

and around and around you go

that is the basis of all science, and the foundation of science is circular.

[QUOTE=P13;18437557]@sam
yeah but how is making up your own purpose better than believing that there is a grand purpose. there is no reason to rip on religious people for believing because religion doesn't do it for you



I'm saying it's not exactly the same because supernatural experiences are much less prevalent than, you know, numbers.
but lots of people claim to have them and it strengthens their faith. And in these cases the belief in the accuracy of pi and the belief in god is the same[/QUOTE]

I'm ripping on religious people because they have terrible logic and act like they have all the answers. Why are you christian instead of muslim? I bet the reason is because your parents raised you christian. You're probably the same denomination as they are too. What makes christianity any more credible than any other religion? Why don't you believe that dogs can fly through outer space? there's just as much evidence.

[QUOTE=super_blockhead;18437540]I'm a drug addict. I admit that. I'm not deceiving myself.

Religious people deceive themselves into believing there is a purpose to life.

Drugs and religions both make people happy, but drugs aren't based on blindly believing something with no proof, which is the main problem i have with religion.[/QUOTE]

People of faith don't see it as a deception though, going back to my original point merely picking apart people just because they don't choose to toe the same line as we do and actively have faith in some religious being or teachings doesn't make sense to me. Some people need this faith as a comfort blanket to go about their day to day business, and despite how irrational it may seem to me, no matter how puzzled I am at the lack of scepticism shown by otherwise rational intelligent people, I'm pretty much fine with it, again as long as it's proponents don't inhibit the areas I've mentioned already.