[QUOTE=Cain]I suppose, but political correctness, while taken to stupid extremes very often, is still a healthy thing to try practicing. The goal of every person that doesn't care about something that offends human decency should be to start caring about it: that's my goal, at least. Right now I'm working on my tendency to racially stereotype and to not care about racial problems or pretend unconsciously that they don't exist. I do it: I still know that it's wrong and that I shouldn't. Political correctness is for me a way to try and care about something that I don't care about. It hinders progress to say "**** it" to everything that you WOULD say "**** it" to: a better way is to work on understanding and innately knowing the problem so you can actually start caring enough to do something.[/QUOTE]

Imagine having friends that racial stereotype your race. That can be... interesting...

[QUOTE=zeppelinfan2k3]See, I actually don't care less about human problems though. I have given up on the human race and so all the things you suggest I care about are, to me, pointless. If I wanted to fix something it would involve mass extermination of the race.[/QUOTE]

You remind me of this goth/emo shirt I saw once:

"Achieve world peace: Kill Everyone."

[QUOTE=Cain]Another note on political correctness: it IS a useful tool for both self-preservation and for avoiding offending somebody, after all. And there IS a way to admit your political incorrectness in a more sensitive way than saying "I don't care" flat-out, and that is the way change can be falicitated: admitting your faults in a sensitive way so that people don;t just outright attack you, but instead they help you to work through that fault.[/QUOTE]
I care less what people think about my opinions than I do what they think of me, which is already admittedly near not caring at all. I refuse to soften my views to appease people uncomfortable with the thought I encourage them to follow when they hear me speak.

[QUOTE=Illmatic]I usually am the kind of person who believes and speaks on the contrary without caring, but with issues like the tsunami and sweatshops and such, I just decide to keep my mouth shut when I probably shouldn't.[/QUOTE]
You shouldn't. If people aren't comfortable with you for who you are, you're better than them.

[QUOTE=zeppelinfan2k3]If I wanted to fix something it would involve mass extermination of the race.[/QUOTE]
Total/mass genocide?

[QUOTE=Otherside]You remind me of this goth/emo shirt I saw once:

"Achieve world peace: Kill Everyone."[/QUOTE]
Ah, I have no desire for world peace though. Mine would be more along the lines of:
Acheive true happiness: Die.

[QUOTE=Efilnikufesin]Total/mass genocide?[/QUOTE]
Yes. Let a new more deserving species evolve.

[QUOTE=Otherside]Imagine having friends that racial stereotype your race. That can be... interesting...[/QUOTE]

What race are you?

That's happened to me, even though 99% of the time it is jokingly.

[QUOTE=Vince]You shouldn't. If people aren't comfortable with you for who you are, you're better than them.[/QUOTE]

Yeah I know.

[QUOTE=zeppelinfan2k3]See, I actually don't care less about human problems though. I have given up on the human race and so all the things you suggest I care about are, to me, pointless. If I wanted to fix something it would involve mass extermination of the race.[/QUOTE]

Forgive me for saying so (please don't take this the wrong way), but that's pathetically apathetic and also, in my opinion, rather false. We all say that we'll give up on the human race, but even within that absence of hope lies another hope: we all will hope to get to a point where we won't give up on the human race. We all hope to regain our hope, whether you like it or not. If you were truly without hope for the decency of the human race, you would have no reason to live. The fact that you still are alive shows that you have this hope or that you're struggling with the idea that you'll regain it.

I have a hard time believing that you started this whole thing just to prove that we all suck. To me, you're trying to get us to admit that we don't care so that we can actually work towards caring, since after all, you'll never succeed in waking up a person that is pretending to be asleep.

[QUOTE=Illmatic]What race are you?

That's happened to me, even though 99% of the time it is jokingly.



Yeah I know.[/QUOTE]

It's in my prof, Hispanic.

[QUOTE=Otherside]It's in my prof, Hispanic.[/QUOTE]

Ohhh.

And at this point, you probably know what race I am.

[QUOTE=Illmatic]Ohhh.

And at this point, you probably know what race I am.[/QUOTE]

Asian?

[QUOTE=Otherside]Asian?[/QUOTE]

lawl

[QUOTE=Cain]Forgive me for saying so (please don't take this the wrong way), but that's pathetically apathetic and also, in my opinion, rather false. We all say that we'll give up on the human race, but even within that absence of hope lies another hope: we all will hope to get to a point where we won't give up on the human race. We all hope to regain our hope, whether you like it or not. If you were truly without hope for the decency of the human race, you would have no reason to live. The fact that you still are alive shows that you have this hope or that you're struggling with the idea that you'll regain it.

I have a hard time believing that you started this whole thing just to prove that we all suck. To me, you're trying to get us to admit that we don't care so that we can actually work towards caring, since after all, you'll never succeed in waking up a person that is pretending to be asleep.[/QUOTE]
Not at all. I live because I believe more firmly that suicide is a cheap way out than I do that humans are worthless. If I could see suicide as an intelligent solution I would take it. Though I have been tempted to take it regardless of how stupid it might be.

Meh, I'm a realist, whatever I say to inspire change won't cause it, but at least I'm saying it. If everyone realizes they suck they might try to change it, or they might commit suicide, but I'm fine with either choice.

[QUOTE=Illmatic]lawl[/QUOTE]

It's ok, Cain/Ripper is a closet jew.

[QUOTE=Otherside]It's ok, Cain/Ripper is a closet jew.[/QUOTE]

Wait, you were serious?

[QUOTE=Illmatic]Wait, you were serious?[/QUOTE]

No :p

My sarcasm fayled :upset:


But.. I'm heading off to bed. Night all. Good luck with your mouse from hell, madey.

Edit: And btw, Cain/Ripper is not really a jew.

[QUOTE=Otherside]No :p

My sarcasm fayled :upset:


But.. I'm heading off to bed. Night all. Good luck with your mouse from hell, madey.

Edit: And btw, Cain/Ripper is not really a jew.[/QUOTE]

Well, no, it's just that I'm tired. Even though it's only 10:15 here, it still feels like 12:15 am to me.

And peace.

[QUOTE=Otherside]
Edit: And btw, Cain/Ripper is not really a jew.[/QUOTE]

Would it matter if I was?

/more discussion of racial stereotypes soon to follow!

One time I was working backstage for Fiddler on the Roof, which is all about Jews (in case you didn't know), and one of the little kids took one look at me and said "You're Jewish, you could be in the play!" I'm Catholic, but he thought I was Jewish because of my nose. I thought my girlfriend was insane when she thought my nose looked cute as a result of this incident. ("It looks Roman," was her compliment, I believe). :lol:

Is madey still her? Or did she quit with all the heaviness the past few pages have accumulated.

[QUOTE=Cain]Fiddler on the Roof[/QUOTE]
TRADITION!

TRADITION!

How surprised would you be if I said that I've actually gotten more trouble in NY and Boston than I have in the south?

[QUOTE=Cain]
Is madey still her? Or did she quit with all the heaviness the past few pages have accumulated.[/QUOTE]
Pfft, this was mostly politics, light stuff. Watch me argue philosophy sometime ;)

Ray: Not very.

[QUOTE=Illmatic]How surprised would you be if I said that I've actually gotten more trouble in NY and Boston than I have in the south?[/QUOTE]
If you're talking about race, not very.

I heard more than 1/2 of the south is black, and I think New York is 1/4 black.

[QUOTE=zeppelinfan2k3]
Meh, I'm a realist, whatever I say to inspire change won't cause it, but at least I'm saying it. If everyone realizes they suck they might try to change it, or they might commit suicide, but I'm fine with either choice.[/QUOTE]

You're helping to change if you can change a person's viewpoints on something, or if you're making a person like Ray or me admit that we don't care about something. These things destroy illusions and help facilitate the desire for change in a certain direction, for good, bad, or neutral. So basically, what you're saying is false. You would only be right if you were trying to change the world, which is impossible for one person to do. But if you set things in motion by changing one person's view on something, then it spreads. Hell, you're connected to everyone in the world by six people, after all. The people you have an effect on have an effect on everyone they know, and so on. So don't think you're not facilitating change by saying something with the intent to spark it.

Suicide is no way out. Dying is no solution. Stalin was the one who said that you kill the man, you kill the problem, but the reason he isn't so revered by humanity is because people like him fail to realize that the problems don't even need to exist in the first place. Hatred, suspicion, greed, these can all be overcome. It just takes a will, for God's sake, and if you haven't got one then I pity you.

Is this conversation over? I'm sorry...that was the last the I felt I had to get out. And don't take it the wrong way, once again.

Dang, you guys are no fun :(

My father's parents were born and raised in the Bayou (and moved to Chicago to find more work and dodge the extreme racism) so every so often we all go down there, and the thing that strikes me the most is that people in the south are NICE. I honestly don't see why the South gets such a bad rap. The people are nice (although I have run into racist idiots there...I have a few stories about that), the food is great, and the women are fine.

[QUOTE=Illmatic]How surprised would you be if I said that I've actually gotten more trouble in NY and Boston than I have in the south?[/QUOTE]

Try not surprised at all. Racism is a system born of ignorance rather than pseudo-scientific delusions of superiority these days, and since white people in the Northeast live as far away as possible from black people, generally speaking (unlike those in the South), the racial stereotypes fill in the collossal amount that they don't actually know about black people for a fact. This is my problem in a nutshell, and as I said I'm working to fix it.

[QUOTE=Illmatic]I honestly don't see why the South gets such a bad rap.[/QUOTE]
Probably from it's [stereotypical] stand on racism it's had since the times of slavery.

And because it was where the KKK started out, and where the whole civil rights revolution took place.

"...and the women are fine."


Unfortuneatly not in Fayetteville, NC.

[QUOTE=Efilnikufesin]Probably from it's [stereotypical] stand on racism it's had since the times of slavery.

And because it was where the KKK started out, and where the whole civil rights revolution took place.[/QUOTE]

Yes, but Northern rich white liberals are probably the most racist people in the country, and they are even more so because they can't even admit it to themselves.

EDIT: And Vince hasn't responded to my last point. :( Oh well, I guess that was done.

[QUOTE=Cain]Yes, but Northern rich white liberals are probably the most racist people in the country, and they are even more so because they can't even admit it to themselves.[/QUOTE]
Out of curiosity, where do you live?

[QUOTE=Cain]You're helping to change if you can change a person's viewpoints on something, or if you're making a person like Ray or me admit that we don't care about something. These things destroy illusions and help facilitate the desire for change in a certain direction, for good, bad, or neutral. So basically, what you're saying is false. You would only be right if you were trying to change the world, which is impossible for one person to do. But if you set things in motion by changing one person's view on something, then it spreads. Hell, you're connected to everyone in the world by six people, after all. The people you have an effect on have an effect on everyone they know, and so on. So don't think you're not facilitating change by saying something with the intent to spark it.

Suicide is no way out. Dying is no solution. Stalin was the one who said that you kill the man, you kill the problem, but the reason he isn't so revered by humanity is because people like him fail to realize that the problems don't even need to exist in the first place. Hatred, suspicion, greed, these can all be overcome. It just takes a will, for God's sake, and if you haven't got one then I pity you.

Is this conversation over? I'm sorry...that was the last the I felt I had to get out. And don't take it the wrong way, once again.[/QUOTE]
Nothing is impossible, just miraculous, but I think we're overdue a modern miracle nowadays. I know that my existence causes change to the world, but no more than anyone else's does. I say things not intending to change them, but just to make my opinion known and vocal.

Dying is the only solution. You can never overcome all of those problems because they do need to exist, for without pain there is no pleasure. The only route to an end of pain is through death, though it is also an absence of pleasure.

Is it? I don't care, as long as I'm awake.

So wouldn't that mean death > life?

[QUOTE=Cain]Try not surprised at all. Racism is a system born of ignorance rather than pseudo-scientific delusions of superiority these days, and since white people in the Northeast live as far away as possible from black people, generally speaking (unlike those in the South), the racial stereotypes fill in the collossal amount that they don't actually know about black people for a fact. This is my problem in a nutshell, and as I said I'm working to fix it.[/QUOTE]

Pretty much. I think a lot of people would be surprised at how integrated the south is, for the most part. And I agree with you about how rich white Northeastern people are more racist then the whites in the South. In general, rich white northern people are basically just more of a pain in the a[size=2]ss[/size] to deal with. From my experiences, northerners seem to live to make themselves seem smarter and better than southerners, while southerners tend to not care about what the north thinks.

[QUOTE=Efilnikufesin]Out of curiosity, where do you live?[/QUOTE]

According to his profile, he lives in Connecticut.

[QUOTE=Illmatic]From my experiences, northerners seem to live to make themselves seem smarter and better than southerners, while southerners tend to not care about what the north thinks.[/QUOTE]
Like an ego; they feel superior to southerners?

[QUOTE=Illmatic]According to his profile, he lives in Connecticut.[/QUOTE]
Ah.

[QUOTE=Efilnikufesin]So wouldn't that mean death > life?[/QUOTE]
In my opinion. Keep in mind it's not that radical of an idea. Many religions teach us to look forward to death.

[QUOTE=Efilnikufesin]Like an ego; they feel superior to southerners?[/QUOTE]

They certainly want to seem that way.

[QUOTE=Efilnikufesin]Out of curiosity, where do you live?[/QUOTE]

Connecticut, the most segregated state in the U.S. I first realized I had a race problem when I shrunk in fear from the gigantic, taller stronger black kids shipped out to my school from failing schools from the inner city of Hartford and asked myself "Why do they WANT to be so stupid? They act like they think growing up to be an illiterate crack dealer is preferable to doing well in school and getting a good job." That was when I first realized that I was stereotyping without the slightest idea of what might actually cause them to act like "idiots" such as, for instance, the environment they grew up in and the pressures put on them by the nation's inherently racist system. I was stereotyping because I knew nothing about them as actual people. Since then I'm taking a lot of classes on race relations in the U.S., which are discussion based and will hopefully educate me about what's actually going on.

[QUOTE=Illmatic]They certainly want to seem that way.[/QUOTE]
It might have to do with stereotypes.

You know, southerners being trashy and uneducated, and racist, while people in the Northeast are surrounded by colleges and have more privileges.