[QUOTE]3) I'm not christian
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Why does Brent think you're Christian anyway? I've never seen you say you are.

[QUOTE=Angmar;18437403]Why does Brent think you're Christian anyway? I've never seen you say you are.[/QUOTE]

because I kinda look like some guy that he knows that is christian

[I]I mean it's basically like I said it[/I]

edit:
and I regularly defend religious people

I'm almost positive you said you were christian but believed in evolution

either that or you were theist idr

my whole family is catholic, I've been baptized as a catholic, I went to catholic school. These are the things that I've explicitly said before.

I don't practice and I don't agree with most of the things the church says, but unlike most disbelievers I don't think that being religious makes you an idiot

i fucking hate religious people

but you're cool goran, fuck brent.

a wild beaner appears

maybe it's different in the states but most people who are religious here are not militant or fanatical.
there are very few who voice their religion and even less who are literalists

I don't have any problem with religious people themselves, as long as they're moderate about it I could care less. I just hate a lot of the influence religion plays in politics and shit.

[QUOTE]as long as they're moderate about it I could care less[/QUOTE]

thats the whole point, though

moderation and religion cannot coincide. It's hypocritical

[QUOTE=adbforever;18437428]thats the whole point, though

moderation and religion cannot coincide. It's hypocritical[/QUOTE]

you're an idiot

I could go into depth but this is more powerful

i feel fucking fantastic.

you guys should really try hydrocodone it's so much better than alcohol and weed which you guys think is so great. look in your parents' medicine cabinet or somethign

if I ever get hydros from the doctor I might just take a bunch to see what it's all about

probably not because I'm a pussy like that

typical brilliant arguments from mx. Never refute what I say just call me a moron

religion and moderation do not make any sense. Religion is adhering to your holy book. You can't just pick and choose what fucking moral principles you want to follow. The moral guidelines are presented to you. They are objective.

it gives you a good euphoria for 4-6 hours. puts you in a great mood too. makes you itch but it feels nice to scratch idk why. it makes you constipated, there's no taking a shit after they kick in. it doesn't make you stupid/not able to function like other drugs, you can still function just fine you basically jsut feel great. if you take a high dose you will nod off

30mg is a good dose for the non opiate tolerant. i like to take 60-100mg. i took 65mg today

dependency isn't really an issue unless you use them regularly for weeks/months

[QUOTE=adbforever;18437439]typical brilliant arguments from mx. Never refute what I say just call me a moron

religion and moderation do not make any sense. Religion is adhering to your holy book. You can't just pick and choose what fucking moral principles you want to follow. The moral guidelines are presented to you. They are objective.[/QUOTE]

actually in terms of christianity the moral rules are pretty decent. assuming you realize most of the bible is hyperbole.

alcohol is 4/10

hydros are 8/10

weed 5/10

heroin 10/10 nothing compares to the rush you get from slamming a bag

@sam
knowing weed is only slightly better than alcohol it makes me want to do it way less. It's funny because I'm actually more open to trying acid or heroin or other hard drugs than my friends who smoke weed and drink much more often than I do.

[QUOTE=adbforever;18437439]typical brilliant arguments from mx. Never refute what I say just call me a moron

religion and moderation do not make any sense. Religion is adhering to your holy book. You can't just pick and choose what fucking moral principles you want to follow. The moral guidelines are presented to you. They are objective.[/QUOTE]

What follows is an expanded version of what I said before:

that is a very ignorant, narrow, and inaccurate definition of religion, you'd be hard-pressed to find anyone who agrees with you. What of religions that have no holy book? What of religions that have extra-scriptural theologies? You think of religion as only being fanatical and literalist in nature when that only accounts for a small amount of religions.
And yes of course you can just pick your morals, even in catholicism you can. Read up on Natural Law Ethics, there is an absolute set of morals but we only know about them because we observe what we all consider normal most of the time.
The moral guidelines are actually determined/interpreted by humans in most faiths.
And you mean absolute not objective.

tl;dr
you don't know anything about religion and should stop talking about it.

[QUOTE=adbforever;18437439]typical brilliant arguments from mx. Never refute what I say just call me a moron

religion and moderation do not make any sense. Religion is adhering to your holy book. You can't just pick and choose what fucking moral principles you want to follow. The moral guidelines are presented to you. They are objective.[/QUOTE]

Who says you can't pick and choose which moral principles you want to follow ?

idk to me alcohol and weed are just stupid to spend your money on when opiates are so much higher quality and you can drive and think clearly. it feels so much better and doesn't make you make poor decisions under the influence

its a different high though

opiates feel amazing, but weed changes the way i think a little, and i like that

alcohol is just a loss of control over your body and i think that's awesome

listening to megadeth

tronn would be proud

love this album

[QUOTE=Luc214;18437457]its a different high though

opiates feel amazing, but weed changes the way i think a little, and i like that

alcohol is just a loss of control over your body and i think that's awesome[/QUOTE]

opiates feel at least twice as good. i have nothing against weed but the high just can't touch opiates euphoria. weed is good to enhance opiates though. i like both but opiates come out on top i think. if you're going to drugs might as well do the high quality stuff i think

[QUOTE=super_blockhead;18437462]opiates feel at least twice as good. i have nothing against weed but the high just can't touch opiates euphoria[/QUOTE]

It's still preference. I like the highs for different reasons :)

I would say yeah in terms of pure enjoyment opiates win but i like the weed high a lot too.

[QUOTE=2muchket!;18437455]Who says you can't pick and choose which moral principles you want to follow ?[/QUOTE]

[SIZE="7"][B]GOD.[/B][/SIZE]
z

we have no gods
there's only ignorant bliss
no reasons why
we're born to die
just born to die

oh, and p13.

nice begging the question and ad populum fallacies. Very cool bro.

i was raised christian but i was always skeptical and felt like it was oppressive and illogical. i just can't force myself to accept some thing that is based on circular logic and has no proof at all.

god is real because the bible says so. the bible is true because god inspired people to write it. that's ridiculous, i realized that was idiotic as a child. religion is the ultimate logical fallacy. it's for people who can't deal with the fact that when you die there is nothing left and need to make believe there is a man in the sky who lets them live in paradise.

it's childish and illogical. i'm not willing to deceive myself to be happier. religious people are cowards.

agreed. to say you can pick and choose your morals is completely assinine. God created your morals and you abide by them. It's simple. I'm referring specifically to Christianity.

i have a lot less respect for christians because they rely on a 2,000 year old book to tell them what is acceptable and unacceptable. i can come up with my own moral guidelines. i don't need some book that was written when people still thought the earth was flat to tell me how to live my life. i can deal with the harsh reality that life is ultimately pointless, hard and ends pretty quickly.

[QUOTE=adbforever;18437473]agreed. to say you can pick and choose your morals is completely assinine. God created your morals and you abide by them.[/QUOTE]

so you believe unless you follow your religion to fundamentalist/literalist degree you're a hypocrite?

you're such a fucking fundie faggot :lol:

when you actually do research into the histories of religion and interpetations/scholarly opinions on holy writings, you'll see there are a lot of grey areas.

the bible for example is largely PURE HYPERBOLE but dumbass literalists like you don't realize this cause it's outside your realm of comprehension (which is incredibly small)

I really don't understand the fixation people have with questioning other's religious tendencies, as long as people of faith don't undermine and inhabit scientific education and advancement and encroach on others personal freedoms and human rights, I personally couldn't care less if they're culturally religious or are moderate with their faith and aren't fundamentalists. Some people need religions in their life as a crutch to get through the day, like you choose to have opiates in your life sam.

There are far far worse contradictions which go unchecked or questioned than some poor sod being ridiculed and labelled as coward because he chooses to believe in one of the abrahamic religions and doesn't believe homosexuals are deviants.

brent just loves labeling people hypocrites.

it gives him a chubby.

I don't understand why people like Brent whine about religious people being moderate, would you prefer they follow their religious texts literally? Because if all religious people did that there probably wouldn't be anyone left on this earth. Obviously they'd prefer nobody be religious but that's not a realistic expectation right now, religion is on the downswing and that's the best we can probably ask for right now.

[QUOTE] as long as people of faith don't undermine and inhabit scientific education [/QUOTE]

stem cell research

i was involved with the church a lot until i was 15 or so. i have been on several mission trips and have read most of the bible/heard sermons on it. i went mostly because my mom forced me to go and i liked youth group cause i had other friends there who didn't take it seriously and we just hung out and fucked around on the trips. my point is that i'm pretty informed about christianity (presbyterian) and i always thought it was retarded.

how credible is something that relies on scare tactics to keep followers? "if you don't believe you go to hell! you better not question this supernatural story that has no proof at all! don't think, just believe blindly!"

religion basically discourages skepticism and critical thinking, which is what science is based on. it also says that people who don't believe or are of a different religion go straight to hell to be tortured forever. that's not very accepting or kind. assuming god is even real, why would i worship one that is enough of an asshole to send nonbelievers to ETERNAL TORTURE?

@adb
nice not actually putting forth a rebuttal :thumb:

[QUOTE=super_blockhead;18437470]i was raised christian but i was always skeptical and felt like it was oppressive and illogical. [B]i just can't force myself to accept some thing that is based on circular logic and has no proof at all.[/B]

god is real because the bible says so. the bible is true because god inspired people to write it. that's ridiculous, i realized that was idiotic as a child. religion is the ultimate logical fallacy. it's for people who can't deal with the fact that when you die there is nothing left and need to make believe there is a man in the sky who lets them live in paradise.

it's childish and illogical. i'm not willing to deceive myself to be happier. religious people are cowards.[/QUOTE]

all of mathematics and therefore science is based on circular logic
just saying

[QUOTE=super_blockhead;18437485]i was involved with the church a lot until i was 15 or so. i have been on several mission trips and have read most of the bible/heard sermons on it. i went mostly because my mom forced me to go and i liked youth group cause i had other friends there who didn't take it seriously and we just hung out and fucked around on the trips. my point is that i'm pretty informed about christianity (presbyterian) and i always thought it was retarded.

how credible is something that relies on scare tactics to keep followers? "if you don't believe you go to hell! you better not question this supernatural story that has no proof at all! don't think, just believe blindly!"

religion basically discourages skepticism and critical thinking, which is what science is based on. it also says that people who don't believe or are of a different religion go straight to hell to be tortured forever. that's not very accepting or kind. assuming god is even real, why would i worship one that is enough of an asshole to send nonbelievers to ETERNAL TORTURE?[/QUOTE]

No-one here is really religious or at best, culturally so like you were in your youth. All your doing it re-iterating what most people here have consciously considered and one time or another.

sounds like you guys are having some pretty deep philosophical discussion in here

[QUOTE=adbforever;18437484]stem cell research[/QUOTE]

extremists