[QUOTE=.:~ Route 1 ~:.]GOOD GOD. I've been argueing in that Trivium thread for days now, and they insulted Porcupine tree....that was the last straw.[/QUOTE]

Silly metalheads, they should know that PT >>> every metal band ever, and PT's favorite metal band, Opeth >>> Trivium.

[QUOTE=Jude]Silly metalheads, they should know that PT >>> every metal band ever, and PT's favorite metal band, Opeth >>> Trivium.[/QUOTE]
Opeth > PT > Trivium + Every other metal band

EDIT: 'Cept BTBAM, they tie with PT for me.

Nah, Tool > Opeth > PT.

:D

Still love PT though.

What would be a good album to start out with, I'm interested in getting to kjnow these guys better.

I only have/heard Deadwing. I really like it, but people say they have better stuff.

[QUOTE=lost_profits][QUOTE=Det_Nosnip]Gene Hoglan could easily nail every single note that Martin has ever played. It's nothing against Lopez; I love his style, and he's a fantastic drummer. However, quite simply, Hoglan isn't human. I would be surprised if there was anything that he CAN'T do on the drumset.


Pure opinion here, after listening to S.Y.L, Hoglan does nothing for me at all.
Even some of the Death songs (Crystal Mountain) the drums sound uninspiring. If it's the production, shoot me, but It sounded like someone hitting paint drums.[/QUOTE]

I take it you're a guitarplayer?

[QUOTE=.:~ Route 1 ~:.]GOOD GOD. I've been argueing in that Trivium thread for days now, and they insulted Porcupine tree....that was the last straw.[/QUOTE]

Heh....I try to stay open to as many different kinds of music as possible, but that stuff does absolutely nothing for me.

[QUOTE=Det_Nosnip]Heh....I try to stay open to as many different kinds of music as possible, but that stuff does absolutely nothing for me.[/QUOTE]
Porcupine tree does nothing for you, or trivium?

Say Trivium, or feel our rath. :evil:

Trivium, of course. I've seen PT live and own 2 of their albums. ;)

I try to stay open minded to all music, but you have to admit a lot of people listen to what would be considered bad music.

[QUOTE=Damien Rhodes]I was there! :cool:

I didn't notice anything off though. I'm not into drums at all, so I probably wouldn't have noticed anyway. I was wanting there to be a signing but Opeth didn't have that day. I wanted to talk to Mikael so bad... :upset:[/QUOTE]

Whoa! You were at the Orlando show? Remember how Martin's bass amp started going haywire? That was nuts. I couldn't hear Mike's leads :upset:

Yeah I've heard from several people that some of their performances weren't good due to sound problems... the performance I saw was more then perfect. :D

[QUOTE=Blanka Flip]Whoa! You were at the Orlando show? Remember how Martin's bass amp started going haywire? That was nuts. I couldn't hear Mike's leads :upset:[/QUOTE]

bro i saw that too, i was so mad i mean its opeth for crying out loud why did THEY out of all the other bands have to have a technical problems?!! but still it was opeth man and disregarding the fact that the sound was screwed, they still rocked \m/

Well I finally found my lyric booklet, and I thought I'd give the Ghost Reveries concept a shot.

Ghost of Perdition: A demon deceives a woman by promising her hope, possesses her, and slowly drains the life from her as her son watches.

The Baying of the Hounds: The demon next tries to attack the son, this time by destroying any hope he has in love, his dreams, and beliefs, offering himself as an answer. This gradually erodes his resistance until the man is willing to accept anything.

Beneath the Mire: The demon takes control over him, and the possession starts to destroy him.

Atonement: He realizes what he has become and regrets it.

Reverie/Harlequin Forest: Description of his path to atonement. He can't bring himself to confess, and constantly struggles with his possession. The weakest hope drives him forward in spite of self-doubt that makes him wonder whether he will ever find redemption.

Hours of Wealth: He rids himself of the possession, but finds that he can't connect with the world and return to normal life.

The Grand Conjuration: He relapses, conjures the demon, and willingly accepts it.

Isolation Years: He reads a letter his lover Rosemary sent him in a last attempt to reach him, but realizes that he's too far gone.

^^^^Thats a good guess. A **** good guess. But I heard that Mikael said that he didnt write any concept, unless he is lying I think that any links are purely coincidental.

Also I remeber Opeth saying in an interview that a band they were sharing the studio with though the keyboards where out of a Uriah Heep song. Any one gonna take a stab at what song they think it was? I reckon the start of baying of the hounds, thats pretty Heepish.

Well, Isolation Years doesn't have anything to do with the concept apparently, but everything else seems dead on.

[QUOTE=Blanka Flip]Whoa! You were at the Orlando show? Remember how Martin's bass amp started going haywire? That was nuts. I couldn't hear Mike's leads :upset:[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I remember it. But I heard Mikael just fine. I nearly sh[b][i][/i][/b]it my pants when they played 'The Grand Conjuration'. At the time I was visiting my girlfriend in Florida, so I had no clue that any songs have been released off the album, so it was a huge surprise to me. I didn't even know the release date at the time :p

[QUOTE=4130]^^^^Thats a good guess. A **** good guess. But I heard that Mikael said that he didnt write any concept, unless he is lying I think that any links are purely coincidental.
[/QUOTE]

Huh, that's weird then, the songs seem to follow each other so logically, as if they were a part of a storyline that went through the whole album. After looking at the album that way, I don't think I'll ever be able to see it as not having a concept.

Dammit, listen to me! There is a concept, he said so in the bio on the site. Isolation Years has nothing to do with the rest of the album though.

I just downloaded their new album "Ghost Reveries" and it is pretty awesome. But after I listened to it for a while, I was drawn back to the classic Opeth songs like In The Mist She Was Standing, Black Rose Immortal, Harvest...well...actually, their are many.

But yeah, Opeth's definitely becoming a very influential band for the metal industry.

[QUOTE=Sephyr][SIZE=3]I just downloaded their new album "Ghost Reveries" and it is pretty awesome. But after I listened to it for a while, I was drawn back to the classic Opeth songs like In The Mist She Was Standing, Black Rose Immortal, Harvest...well...actually, their are many.[/SIZE]
But yeah, Opeth's definitely becoming a very influential band for the metal industry.[/QUOTE]

Thats what happened to me.

Well, you're just going to rush out and buy it now right?

To Route 1 - I bought The Silent Circus yesterday on impulse and it's fantastic. Is Alaska as good.

[QUOTE=Creeping_Deth]Dammit, listen to me! There is a concept, he said so in the bio on the site. Isolation Years has nothing to do with the rest of the album though.[/QUOTE]

Sorry for ignoring ya Creeping_Deth :p.

That makes me feel better that there actually is a concept, and that I'm not just seeing connections where none exist...except I guess the one between Isolation Years and the rest of the album. You're right about that one though, it seems very random compared to everything else. I was just trying to think of it in a way that would connect it to everything else.

Here's what I think about Opeth's contribution with their major label debut of "Ghost Reveries."

They are a band that has earned fans in the most important way possible. The brilliance of Akerfeldt and the shifts in genres the band has done defies belief, especially for a band with a decade-plus career behind them. And with
Ghost Reveries, they have done something very important: they have more clean passages than growl sections, but all elements are equal in skill. I believe Opeth are on the cusp of a new explosion of metal music into the mainstream, one devoid of all the recent trappings of the "sell-out." Why? Because Akerfeldt has one of the most accessible voices in metal HISTORY. For decades, heavy metal, for all its instrumental sophistication and sometimes blatant virtuosity, has never been given the credit it deserves for musical brilliance, shortchanged by fans and critics time and time again--because metal vocalists, PARTICULARLY the ones that sing, are generally AWFUL. The bane of metal's ability to be taken seriously is its pretentious lyrics and awful vocal styles. Akerfeldt has none of these qualities: as one of the most superb death growlers and singers in his genre, he is poised to break out on a tremendous level and take a whole slew of Opeth-inspired bands with him, every one pushing the envelope of creativity and following their ethos of change and progression. The American Wave of Heavy Metal will be written off as a retread combination of nu metal politics and Iron Maiden's music style. Opeth will own the first half of the 21st century's metal music, and it will be an amazing period for metal music because finally people will realize that there is true genius at work within the genre. And all it took was a good singer.

As nice as that sounds, I hope it does not come true. I have no problem with Opeth doing whatever they want, but man... if every band that started popping out like all these metalcore bands sounded like Opeth... that may be good, but... it takes away from Opeth.

[QUOTE=Darkness Of Greed]As nice as that sounds, I hope it does not come true. I have no problem with Opeth doing whatever they want, but man... if every band that started popping out like all these metalcore bands sounded like Opeth... that may be good, but... it takes away from Opeth.[/QUOTE]
Yeah. I mean, Opeth is our band, and many other bands have basically been ruined by the 'mallcore' kids getting a interested in them so they could seem cool to the metalhead crowd. Opeth better not end up like that.

[QUOTE=Darkness Of Greed]As nice as that sounds, I hope it does not come true. I have no problem with Opeth doing whatever they want, but man... if every band that started popping out like all these metalcore bands sounded like Opeth... that may be good, but... it takes away from Opeth.[/QUOTE]

Bands like Opeth can't just "pop out" so you shouldn't have to worry. If Opeth does become an influence to many bands, then I don't see a problem.

As long as its not that heavy of an influence. I meen like, ok so some metal bands start to use acoustics a bit more, maybe have some less harsh vocals.... as long as its not to much like Opeth.

Opeth is so technically advanced, it would be very hard for anyone to come within a mile of their godliness.

[QUOTE=Damien Rhodes]Yeah. I mean, Opeth is our band, and many other bands have basically been ruined by the 'mallcore' kids getting a interested in them so they could seem cool to the metalhead crowd. Opeth better not end up like that.[/QUOTE]

It's not the band's fault if poser mall rats start liking them. :-/

I really can't see how Opeth providing an influence on bands is a bad thing.

I also think you guys are being a little shortsighted in your estimation of what precise thing that bands will steal from Opeth. Lots of metal bands already have acoustic sections, and Opeth certainly weren't cashing in on acoustics' accessability when they decided to use them.

[QUOTE=Sephyr]Opeth is so technically advanced, it would be very hard for anyone to come within a mile of their godliness.[/QUOTE]
The fanboy is wrong.

You have to realize that none of thier music relies on technicality and just pure emotion. You are right about one thing though, that it is hard to match the inspiration and songwriting talent that they posess.

The only bad thing I can see coming from this is that a new fake genre called acoustic-core comes up.

Yeah Opeth aren't [I]that[/I] technical. But their songwriting is definatly top notch.

I have to admit, I wasn't all that impressed my first listen through the CD. The stand out songs were "Hours of Wealth" and "Isolation Years", the soft songs on the album. I knew I'd like it a lot more with another listen or two, and I'm really really loving "Ghost of Perdition" now. This album takes a bit of effort from the listener IMO, so if you aren't a big fan of the new album yet, give it another few listens, this is Opeth after all. :thumb:

Yep I think it's more the songwriting.... I can play a lot of Opeth stuff on guitar but actually putting thought into writing is another story.

[QUOTE=ambush]I have to admit, I wasn't all that impressed my first listen through the CD. The stand out songs were "Hours of Wealth" and "Isolation Years", the soft songs on the album. I knew I'd like it a lot more with another listen or two, and I'm really really loving "Ghost of Perdition" now. This album takes a bit of effort from the listener IMO, so if you aren't a big fan of the new album yet, give it another few listens, this is Opeth after all. :thumb:[/QUOTE]

hey dude, where you been!

PS: album rules, first listen to baying, and I was HOOKED. But yeah I agree, give it plenty of listens, especially if you like Opeth.

Exactly. I think that Opeth are doing what bands have been TRYING to do for a very long time. The whole loud/quiet.....heavy/melodic etc thing has been tried over and over again by countless bands, especially in nu-metal. Most of the time what you ended up with, however, was that the band would lose steam as soon as they dropped into whichever their weaker point was. Then Opeth comes along, a band that is equally strong both in heavy and in soft sections...I mean, any death metal band that could release an album like Dam nation and have it kick that much *** is going to stand the test of the time, if you ask me.

You know listening to the new album for about the 10th time I think Opeth has finally overtaken Tool on my favourite bands list (to take second spot.) I still love Tool but Opeth have been kickicking *** for 8 albums straight, thats just something phenominal.

Queen is my number one though, but its close.

[QUOTE=Sephyr]Opeth is so technically advanced, it would be very hard for anyone to come within a mile of their godliness.[/QUOTE]
As has been said, you're wrong. They are tehcnically good, but even some metalcore bands are just as technical, maybe even more so. There talent lies in their originality and atmosphere more than their technicality. They are the only band I've ever heard that have such a depressing atmosphere without using heavy keyboards and effects.

[QUOTE=Cain]It's not the band's fault if poser mall rats start liking them. :-/

I really can't see how Opeth providing an influence on bands is a bad thing.

I also think you guys are being a little shortsighted in your estimation of what precise thing that bands will steal from Opeth. Lots of metal bands already have acoustic sections, and Opeth certainly weren't cashing in on acoustics' accessability when they decided to use them.[/QUOTE]
I didn't mean it would be there fault. I just don't want to be bothered by the average mall kid who doesn't really have any clue about music, and just ride a band's success. I dont't really see it happening though.

[QUOTE=lost_profits]Yep I think it's more the songwriting.... I can play a lot of Opeth stuff on guitar but actually putting thought into writing is another story.[/QUOTE]
I can't :(

I can't ever seem to get there rhythms worked out.

[QUOTE=4130]You know listening to the new album for about the 10th time I think Opeth has finally overtaken Tool on my favourite bands list (to take second spot.) I still love Tool but Opeth have been kickicking *** for 8 albums straight, thats just something phenominal.

Queen is my number one though, but its close.[/QUOTE]
That will probably change the more you listen to Opeth. I thought Opeth was boring a repetitive teh first time I heard them, but they grew on me. Now they are by far my favorite band.

Opeth > Queen > Tool

I seriously don't understand the Tool obsessions. They are original and have some great songs, but I could never get into them. They aren't anywhere near as technical as people think they are either.

I saw Opeth last night and they didn't dissapoint me at all. Mikael was fantastic as were the rest of the band but he has a great presence on stage and also communicates with the crowd really well. Actually I was a little dissappointed that Martin Lopez was still ill, as the stand in guy didn't play the last section of [i]Deliverance[/i] quite how Lopez does...but he had pretty much everything else nailed. Apart from on [i]Blackwater Park[/i] where he played too many measures of intro.

Having gone off Opeth for a while seeing them has got me enjoying the music again now. [i]The Grand Conjuration[/i] was bad ***. [i]Face of Melinda[/i] too.

Is anyone else seeing them on this tour?