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Det_Nosnip 09-04-2005 09:18 PM

[QUOTE=Creeping_Deth]I hope he's alright for the tour :(.

Can Gene play all the songs or do they have to stick with a smaller set-list because of him?[/QUOTE]

Gene Hoglan could easily nail every single note that Martin has ever played. It's nothing against Lopez; I love his style, and he's a fantastic drummer. However, quite simply, Hoglan isn't human. I would be surprised if there was anything that he CAN'T do on the drumset. As an example, he recorded all of the drum tracks for the last SYL record (featuring some very insane playing), in about 2 days.

However, I read somewhere that they got someone else as a permanent replacement, so I'm not sure. As for what I've heard, Martin is very sick...some sort of blood disease that he's had for a very long time. He may not be back until the end of this year...which sucks.

Cain 09-04-2005 09:22 PM

[QUOTE=Det_Nosnip]Gene Hoglan could easily nail every single note that Martin has ever played. It's nothing against Lopez; I love his style, and he's a fantastic drummer. However, quite simply, Hoglan isn't human. I would be surprised if there was anything that he CAN'T do on the drumset. As an example, he recorded all of the drum tracks for the last SYL record (featuring some very insane playing), in about 2 days.

However, I read somewhere that they got someone else as a permanent replacement, so I'm not sure. As for what I've heard, Martin is very sick...some sort of blood disease that he's had for a very long time. He may not be back until the end of this year...which sucks.[/QUOTE]

That's very sad. :(

I think Opeth could do with more virtuoso drumming, though. There's opportunities for soul-crushing on "Ghost Reveries" that get missed I think, because of Lopez's mostly heavy rock/jazz-type drumming. Although I would hate to see Lopez replaced. He made Opeth what they are in the latter days.

denboy 09-04-2005 09:27 PM

[QUOTE=Det_Nosnip]Gene Hoglan could easily nail every single note that Martin has ever played. It's nothing against Lopez; I love his style, and he's a fantastic drummer. However, quite simply, Hoglan isn't human. I would be surprised if there was anything that he CAN'T do on the drumset. As an example, he recorded all of the drum tracks for the last SYL record (featuring some very insane playing), in about 2 days.
[/QUOTE]

I think he was more asking if he knew more of Opeth songs..
But seeing as opeths diary thingie, says that Gene learned the three Opeth songs he knew in 2 hours, I don't doubt he'd easily cover a whole opeth set.. (or discography, haha)

Special Brew 09-04-2005 09:35 PM

I don't want Lopez replaced but it could be a good change. Like Cain said, they could use more virtuosic(sp?) drumming.

Itwasthatwas 09-04-2005 10:32 PM

[QUOTE=Damien Rhodes]I don't want Lopez replaced but it could be a good change. Like Cain said, they could use more virtuosic(sp?) drumming.[/QUOTE]

It would definately be an improvement. Whenever I listen to an Opeth album, I always wish they had more complex and dynamic drumming to compliment the huge landscape painted by the other elements.

Special Brew 09-04-2005 10:40 PM

Yeah, the more I think about it, the more I like the idea of a new drummer. It would kind of be like losing a friend to me though, because I'm a lowly fanboy.

Itwasthatwas 09-04-2005 10:43 PM

[QUOTE=Damien Rhodes]Yeah, the more I think about it, the more I like the idea of a new drummer. It would kind of be like losing a friend to me though, because I'm a lowly fanboy.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, I know what you mean, getting rid of Lopez just doesn't seem like a cool option. But then, it would be worth it in the end.

denboy 09-04-2005 10:49 PM

I don't really think Lopez has THAT big an influence on writing the drum parts.... I remember reading about how Mikael writes the songs, and he mentioned laying out drum parts for all the songs, and bass too

Special Brew 09-04-2005 11:05 PM

Yeah, on the DVD they shows Akerfeldt basically telling Lopez how he wants the drums to sound and Lopez just does whatever he is told. But still, the guy has been a member of Opeth for so long, so it just seems kind of wrong. I guess I always think of a band being like a brotherhood more than a job, so it seems like they'd be kicking out a family member. Their music could be so much better with a different drummer though.

denboy 09-04-2005 11:07 PM

Hehe, I wasn't talking to you, I was responding to the guy saying that they'd improve with a new drummer..
I don't think Lopez have come close to showing all of his drumming abilities in Opeth.. And I'd hate for him to leave

Det_Nosnip 09-04-2005 11:27 PM

The biggest loss would be on Opeth's softer side. Lopez's playing on the Dam nation record was AWESOME, which part of the reason why it's one of my favorites by the band (I AM a drummer, after all :p ). He's more of a groove/feel player, and he tends to leave his parts pretty open...which allows him alot of room to improvise live. I really like that style of playing, and it's an approach that is sorely missed in the heavy metal field. Make no mistake about it, Lopez is exceptional.

denboy 09-04-2005 11:28 PM

Ooh, good point!.. I doubt any other drummer could have made Dam[i][b][/i][/b]nation as sexy as it is

lost_profits 09-05-2005 12:30 AM

[QUOTE=Det_Nosnip]Gene Hoglan could easily nail every single note that Martin has ever played. It's nothing against Lopez; I love his style, and he's a fantastic drummer. However, quite simply, Hoglan isn't human. I would be surprised if there was anything that he CAN'T do on the drumset.


Pure opinion here, after listening to S.Y.L, Hoglan does nothing for me at all.
Even some of the Death songs (Crystal Mountain) the drums sound uninspiring. If it's the production, shoot me, but It sounded like someone hitting paint drums.

i am the robots 09-05-2005 12:39 AM

[QUOTE=Darkness Of Greed]Guys lets rename this thread "Look your last apon the sun - Opeth". :D[/QUOTE]

agrees

Darkness 09-05-2005 12:39 AM

I love Lopez personally. Not only did he rock on Dam[I]n[/I]tion, but I think he did rather well on Deliverance. Nothing incredible, but I really like the raw feel the drums brought on that cd, and the double bass sounded really cool.

i am the robots 09-05-2005 12:42 AM

Why doesn't anybody understand that Nordin was far superior to Lopez, and that though Lopez is amazing, the drumming on the first two records > the drumming now, but losing Lopez would suck too, I love his style.

Darkness 09-05-2005 12:46 AM

Really? I saw nothing that specail in his drumming. Lopez didn't do anything amazing on the first couple albums he was on with Opeth, but D&D rocked.

Slapping Penguin 09-05-2005 03:58 AM

Well I feel the biggest lost to Opeth was DeFalla. His bass playing was awesome. Yeah Mendez is good he even does some cool slap lines on the new album but Defalla SWEET!

epihasi 09-05-2005 06:33 AM

I have the LAMENTATIONS dvd, and Lopez mentioned, that Mikael tells him the ideas of how he "roughly" wants the drums to sound...And Lopez then goes from there...He said, that he does like 90% of the drum parts alone...

Darkness 09-05-2005 10:57 AM

Someone contact a mod for the name change... it seems most people agree.


"Look Your Last Apon the Sun - Opeth"

bball_1523 09-05-2005 11:22 AM

[QUOTE=Slapping Penguin]Well I feel the biggest lost to Opeth was DeFalla. His bass playing was awesome. Yeah Mendez is good he even does some cool slap lines on the new album but Defalla SWEET![/QUOTE]

I agree with Johan DeFarfalla lines, they were really unique. This new album is the first time I really heard Mendez really shine, and I have hope that he can match Defarfalla's lines.

On the drumming side, I prefer Lopez over Nordin by a mile. Nordin was alright, but Lopez has such a feel to drumming that absolutely cannot be matched. I mean listen to his snare rolls and how he adds touch with them to the rest of his drumming.

Itwasthatwas 09-05-2005 12:35 PM

[QUOTE=Darkness Of Greed]Someone contact a mod for the name change... it seems most people agree.


"Look Your Last Apon the Sun - Opeth"[/QUOTE]

I always thought it was actually spelled 'upon'? But then, I can't really speak English, or anything else for that matter.

Darkness 09-05-2005 12:43 PM

[QUOTE=Itwasthatwas]I always thought it was actually spelled 'upon'? But then, I can't really speak English, or anything else for that matter.[/QUOTE]
Probably, I'm a horrible speller. :upset:

Blanka Flip 09-05-2005 01:18 PM

[QUOTE=Det_Nosnip]Gene Hoglan could easily nail every single note that Martin has ever played. It's nothing against Lopez; I love his style, and he's a fantastic drummer. However, quite simply, Hoglan isn't human. I would be surprised if there was anything that he CAN'T do on the drumset. As an example, he recorded all of the drum tracks for the last SYL record (featuring some very insane playing), in about 2 days.

However, I read somewhere that they got someone else as a permanent replacement, so I'm not sure. As for what I've heard, Martin is very sick...some sort of blood disease that he's had for a very long time. He may not be back until the end of this year...which sucks.[/QUOTE]

I'm just not totally sure about this... I saw Hoglan in Orlando at SOTU, and something about his playing in the Drapery falls was off. He didn't do the complex riding Lobez does, only a streight ahead down beat. Maybe that was complemented by the fact that sound was totally screwed in Orlando, but something seemed off.

bball_1523 09-05-2005 01:23 PM

is anyone going to the Hollywood, CA show for Opeth? I will be there and the tickets cost $18!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! awesome pricing, but I gotta leave from school to get there.

Darkness 09-05-2005 01:24 PM

I can't believe theres no date for Edmonton... :( This is terrible, I was looking forward to this so much...

i am the robots 09-05-2005 02:09 PM

[QUOTE=Itwasthatwas]I always thought it was actually spelled 'upon'? But then, I can't really speak English, or anything else for that matter.[/QUOTE]

yes, it's upon

The Brad 09-05-2005 02:30 PM

[QUOTE=bball_1523]is anyone going to the Hollywood, CA show for Opeth? I will be there and the tickets cost $18!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! awesome pricing, but I gotta leave from school to get there.[/QUOTE]

I am going. My ticket wound up being $31 after all the ticketmaster "service" charges.

Deth 09-05-2005 02:59 PM

My show is by far the best. It's on a Friday I have off from school.

I think Defarfalla was amazing, but his style wouldn't have fit in nearly as well after Opeth got rid of the harmony stuff from the first 2 albums.

Darkness 09-05-2005 03:03 PM

I hated his tone so much... hes good, and I like his bass lines but man its annoying on To Bid you Fairwell. Its all... bad sounding. :lol: I don't really know how to describe it just annoys me so much.

Neurotoxin 09-05-2005 03:07 PM

I [I]love[/I] his bass tone on To Bid You Farewell!

Darkness 09-05-2005 03:07 PM

It almost recks the song for me.

Special Brew 09-05-2005 03:09 PM

[QUOTE=Blanka Flip]I'm just not totally sure about this... I saw Hoglan in [B]Orlando at SOTU[/B], and something about his playing in the Drapery falls was off. He didn't do the complex riding Lobez does, only a streight ahead down beat. Maybe that was complemented by the fact that sound was totally screwed in Orlando, but something seemed off.[/QUOTE]
I was there! :cool:

I didn't notice anything off though. I'm not into drums at all, so I probably wouldn't have noticed anyway. I was wanting there to be a signing but Opeth didn't have that day. I wanted to talk to Mikael so bad... :upset:

Deth 09-05-2005 03:10 PM

Nah, his tone is fine. You're just crazy.

Tizzle 09-05-2005 03:11 PM

It's a fretless on to bid you farewell, and **** fine too.

Neurotoxin 09-05-2005 03:12 PM

[QUOTE=Creeping_Deth]Nah, his tone is fine. You're just crazy.[/QUOTE]

I'm glad I'm not alone. Thank you!

TBYF is probably one of my favourite songs to play by Opeth. I know the majority of the guitar and all of the bass, and I plan on covering it at my school's coffee house. I also plan on covering Windowpane.

Darkness 09-05-2005 03:15 PM

I know I'm crazy, out of everyone I talk to I'm the only one who doesn't like the bass tone on that song.

Damien - I met him. :D He signed a bunch of stuff for me to. :D

Special Brew 09-05-2005 03:40 PM

[QUOTE=Darkness Of Greed]Damien - I met him. :D He signed a bunch of stuff for me to. :D[/QUOTE]
Oh you lucky fu[b][i][/i][/b]cknut :(

Where did you see them?

Darkness 09-05-2005 03:41 PM

Edmonton Alberta Canada. On SOTU.

RouteOne 09-05-2005 04:35 PM

GOOD GOD. I've been argueing in that Trivium thread for days now, and they insulted Porcupine tree....that was the last straw.


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