people like Burton because of his unique style in a metal band...you don't find bass players like that anymore.

[QUOTE=Warlockwanter]*jumps into argument*

You're right because every single bassist in the world inspired by burton plays in a metallica cover band[/QUOTE]

I was being facetious.

[QUOTE=Warlockwanter]Of course he wasnt the only talented one but I think he was the best. And he was way better that an average song writer[/QUOTE]

Yeah he was, he was better then an average song writer. But you have to remember, as of now, there are bassists that make his style seem average. Technicality in music marches on.

[QUOTE=Warlockwanter]Of course he wasnt the only talented one but I think he was the best. [/quote]
While "best" in opinion is subjective, I can say that you're very misinformed. Please listen to some other metal to get crudentials in this field.

Death
Atheist
Cynic
Cannibal Corpse
Cryptopsy
Necrophagist
Sadis
Quo Vadis
Artension
Arcturus
Borknagar

That should get you started.

[quote]And he was way better that an average song writer[/QUOTE]
For his time, that's debatable, as well as if you want to stay just in metal, or if you want to go to prog, or jazz, or whatever. For now, regardless of whether you stay within the metal boundaries, definitely not.

[QUOTE=vashts80]Did you actually read what the moron wrote? He basically said Cliff was better than Rob because he wrote For Whom the Bell Tolls. Whoopidie dee! Anybody could have written that bassline, quite honestly.
[/QUOTE]

He didn't say that. You're just making idiotic assumptions like last time.

[QUOTE=vashts80]I quite honestly doubt that. I really do. Steve Harris? Mark Hoppus? These guys have inspired thousands of bass players. Not Burton.[/QUOTE]

Again, this is one of your moronic posts. So wait, all those people can inspire people but not cliff burton? So when did you say he raped your mother?

Steve Harris is a great bassist, and have done as much as cliff and more, but that doesn't change a fu[I]cking[/I] fact that cliff has inspired thousands of people. I don't see why you hate cliff so much. He's not the best, but your bullshi[I]t[/I] posts put him down like he sucked.

And Mark Hoppus, seriously dude, if you think mark has accomplished more than Cliff, then you need to rethink your theories and myths.

The fact is every musician has it's flaws, and pointing them out just to start arguements is beyond pathetic. There is no such thing as a perfect musician.

[QUOTE=vashts80]While "best" in opinion is subjective, I can say that you're very misinformed. Please listen to some other metal to get crudentials in this field.[/QUOTE]

Again, try to find a definition of opinion and subjective. Who are you to tell someone he is misinformed?

[QUOTE=PepsiMetal]He didn't say that. You're just making idiotic assumptions like last time.[/quote]
zsnaps, I apoligize for only reading the post once lolz.

[quote]Again, this is one of your moronic posts. So wait, all those people can inspire people but not cliff burton? So when did you say he raped your mother?[/quote]
I doubt that Cliff inspired many people, because they were still largely an underground band by the time he died. They didn't become mainstream until 5 years later.

[quote]Steve Harris is a great bassist, and have done as much as cliff and more, but that doesn't change a fu[I]cking[/I] fact that cliff has inspired thousands of people. I don't see why you hate cliff so much. He's not the best, but your bullshi[I]t[/I] posts put him down like he sucked. [/quote]
He didn't suck, no. But he's not ZOMGZGOD either. People over-rate Burton to such an extent that it's unbelieveable. Gee, he played "lead bass", which wasn't lead to ANY extent barring 100-200 bars of music over 3 albums, in a thrash band...the only thrash band to really make it out of the underground and into the mainstream.

A sub-par thrash band at that, really. Ulrich's drumming isn't good by any means, and Hammett's wah-pedal over the minor pentatonic scale over and over again isn't original anymore, nor has it been for 20 years. Hetfield is a decent singer and a great rhythm player if he REALLY plays Battery with all downpicking while singing (which I very highly doubt), and Newsted was a great bassist. Trujillo is a great bassist. Cliff was just a standard bassist stuck in the only thrash band to make it out of the underground.

Yes, I do play along to Metallica occasionally, but only for nostalgic reasons. It's nothing more than nostalgia, or for a nice workout if I play Battery.

[quote]And Mark Hoppus, seriously dude, if you think mark has accomplished more than Cliff, then you need to rethink your theories and myths. [/quote]
Read my post, you beligerant idiot. I never said Hoppus accomplished more, I said that he's inspired more people to pick up bass. Think about it: mainstream band that gets plenty of airplay who everybody who listens to the radio loves (Blink 182), or mainstream metal band that doesn't get much airplay anymore besides Enter Sandman and the occasional Master of Puppets (Metallica)? Good game.

[quote]The fact is every musician has it's flaws, and pointing them out just to start arguements is beyond pathetic. There is no such thing as a perfect musician.[/QUOTE]
Yes there is, his name is Gene Hoglan.

[quote]Again, try to find a definition of opinion and subjective. Who are you to tell someone he is misinformed?[/quote]
I'm God.

Seriously? I'm a music fan who can see beyond the hype. Burton wasn't the best bassist then, nor is he anywhere near it now.

you are retard...Metallica got big during Master of Puppets and if you lived in England they were freakin' huge. Cliff has inspired much more then any other bass player and he is a far better bass player then Jason ever was. being better then Rob is argueable. stfu you retard n00b

Guys burton(RIP) isn't the shi[color="silver"]t[/color]tiest bassist alive and to prove it.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/w/Metallica---For-Whom-The-Bell-Tolls-%28Live-1985%29?v=uwYt0XUBvc4&search=For%20Whom%20The%20Bell%20Tolls[/url]

Now to say that burton was the best is bs. Burton wasn't the best. But he wasn't bad. He was on the better side and on RTL he did contribute quite a lot. Now give it a damn rest and move on.

[QUOTE=vashts80]I doubt that Cliff inspired many people, because they were still largely an underground band by the time he died. They didn't become mainstream until 5 years later.[/QUOTE]

Was that a joke post or did you actually think that we were talking about cliff's inspirations before 1986? :confused:

[QUOTE=vashts80]He didn't suck, no. But he's not ZOMGZGOD either. People over-rate Burton to such an extent that it's unbelieveable. Gee, he played "lead bass", which wasn't lead to ANY extent barring 100-200 bars of music over 3 albums, in a thrash band...the only thrash band to really make it out of the underground and into the mainstream.[/QUOTE]

Ok, now put this statement and make it relevant to how cliff couldn't have inspired thousands of bassists.

[QUOTE=vashts80]Read my post, you beligerant idiot. I never said Hoppus accomplished more, I said that he's inspired more people to pick up bass. Think about it: mainstream band that gets plenty of airplay who everybody who listens to the radio loves (Blink 182), or mainstream metal band that doesn't get much airplay anymore besides Enter Sandman and the occasional Master of Puppets (Metallica)? Good game.[/QUOTE]

Prove it. Here's a random google search. Read how many people list Cliff burton as an inspiration, and how many mark hoppus. Cliff burton 3, mark 0.
[url]http://www.ultimatemetal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=156347[/url]

You loose, idiot!

[QUOTE=vashts80]Yes there is, his name is Gene Hoglan.[/QUOTE]

Argh, again, I hope this is a joke post, because it's impossible to be perfect. But first find yourself a definition of opinion and understand that first.

[QUOTE=vashts80]I'm God.

Seriously? I'm a music fan who can see beyond the hype. Burton wasn't the best bassist then, nor is he anywhere near it now.[/QUOTE]

Steve Harris, Flea, Les Claypool, etc.. aren't best either. Do you know why? Because best is subjective and it's not factual. Oh wait, are we talking only about technicality like last time? :rolleyes:

Dave Mustaine, who you come in this thread and show how much you suck him off, has said Cliff Burton was the new Steve Harris of metal. Wait, was he wrong? :eek:

[QUOTE=BLS_Infernus]you are retard...Metallica got big during Master of Puppets and if you lived in England they were freakin' huge. Cliff has inspired much more then any other bass player and he is a far better bass player then Jason ever was. being better then Rob is argueable. stfu you retard n00b[/QUOTE]

Everyone in this thread knows he's an idiot. I like how he says, best is subjective and purely opinion, but you are wrong and misinformed because I know everything, and I listen to better music and have better ears.

lol, at least we can get a laugh of it.

[QUOTE=PepsiMetal]

Dave Mustaine, who you come in this thread and show how much you suck him off, has said Cliff Burton was the new Steve Harris of metal. Wait, was he wrong? :eek:



Everyone in this thread knows he's an idiot. I like how he says, best is subjective and purely opinion, but you are wrong and misinformed because I know everything, and I listen to better music and have better ears.

lol, at least we can get a laugh of it.[/QUOTE]
Pwned with that first para there

Are we really having a conversation about post-black album Metallica?

post ...And Justice For All...mainly about Cliff Burton

Who we all love.
Can't we just agree all the bassist mentioned are good?
They make music that we enjoy.I think that's enough :thumb:

[QUOTE=RyanTheDrummer]Who we all love.
Can't we just agree all the bassist mentioned are good?
They make music that we enjoy.I think that's enough :thumb:[/QUOTE]
Badda-bing!:thumb:

[QUOTE=RyanTheDrummer]Who we all love.
Can't we just agree all the bassist mentioned are good?
They make music that we enjoy.I think that's enough :thumb:[/QUOTE]

:chug:
I can agree with that, but you have to admit there's tecnically better bass players than others.

I know that man :thumb:
But I respect skill as much as the next guy,but what im saying is that it's all about what we like.If it sounds awesome,and it's ****ing complicated as hell,awesome.
And if it sounds awesome and it's simple,it's still ****ing awesome.

:thumb:

[QUOTE=RyanTheDrummer]Who we all love.
Can't we just agree all the bassist mentioned are good?
They make music that we enjoy.I think that's enough :thumb:[/QUOTE]

Yup. :thumb:

Enjoying music is what music really is about.

[QUOTE=PepsiMetal]Was that a joke post or did you actually think that we were talking about cliff's inspirations before 1986? :confused: [/quote]
Yup, I kid.



[quote]Ok, now put this statement and make it relevant to how cliff couldn't have inspired thousands of bassists.[/quote]
Nah, I don't feel like it.



[quote]Prove it. Here's a random google search. Read how many people list Cliff burton as an inspiration, and how many mark hoppus. Cliff burton 3, mark 0.
[url]http://www.ultimatemetal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=156347[/url]

You loose, idiot![/quote]
Yes, go to a [b]metal[/b] forum and try to prove me wrong. Now, let's see, how many metal bands have really gotten out of the underground and into mainstream success? And why, exactly, was a [b]metal[/b] forum relevent?


[quote]Argh, again, I hope this is a joke post, because it's impossible to be perfect. But first find yourself a definition of opinion and understand that first.[/quote]
It's an inside joke on the Strapping Young Lad forums, douchenozzle.


[quote]Steve Harris, Flea, Les Claypool, etc.. aren't best either. Do you know why? Because best is subjective and it's not factual. Oh wait, are we talking only about technicality like last time? :rolleyes: [/quote]
Steve Harris plays root notes 99% of the time. But he does it extremely well. He's God, too, along with Gene Hoglan.

[quote]Dave Mustaine, who you come in this thread and show how much you suck him off, has said Cliff Burton was the new Steve Harris of metal. Wait, was he wrong? :eek:[/quote]
When, exactly, did I come into this thread and "suck Dave Mustaine off"? Yeah, k.



[quote]Everyone in this thread knows he's an idiot. I like how he says, best is subjective and purely opinion, but you are wrong and misinformed because I know everything, and I listen to better music and have better ears.

lol, at least we can get a laugh of it.[/QUOTE]
My hearing is actually extremely well. I can tell the difference between over-rated fanboyism, and actually knowing something about the instrument I'm arguing over, considering I play the thing. Steve Harris and Martin Mendez inspired me to become a bassist. I didn't think Burton was that special before I even started playing.

Once again, you're a beligerant nincompoop and a meddling deficient. Play bass before you start spouting your mouth off, idiot.

[QUOTE=vashts80]Nah, I don't feel like it.[/QUOTE]

Because it's not relevant like most of your post.

[QUOTE=vashts80]Yes, go to a [b]metal[/b] forum and try to prove me wrong. Now, let's see, how many metal bands have really gotten out of the underground and into mainstream success?[/QUOTE]

So you think in a metal forum, most people will claim Mark Hoppus as influence than cliff burton? If so, you are probably wrong. Why don't you ask in this bass' forum and see which one is mentioned more. BTW that was official Symphony X forum, who are quite metal.

[QUOTE=vashts80]It's an inside joke on the Strapping Young Lad forums, douchenozzle.[/QUOTE]

So why are you posting it in a metallica thread, idiot?

[QUOTE=vashts80]Steve Harris plays root notes 99% of the time. But he does it extremely well. He's God, too, along with Gene Hoglan.[/QUOTE]

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

At least I wont bitch at your opinion.

[QUOTE=vashts80]When, exactly, did I come into this thread and "suck Dave Mustaine off"? Yeah, k.[/QUOTE]

Do a search on your username and this thread. I remember when we talked about kirk hammett and some song, and you came in here just for the sake of mentioning dave mustaine is better than kirk, even though nobody has even talked about mustaine. That's called sucking him off. Same as if I came to megadeth thread, when they're discussing favorite songs or something, and out of the blue, I just say, Joe Satriani owns dave mustaine. Which is stupid, and I'm not you.

[QUOTE=vashts80]My hearing is actually extremely well. I can tell the difference between over-rated fanboyism, and actually knowing something about the instrument I'm arguing over, considering I play the thing. Steve Harris and Martin Mendez inspired me to become a bassist. I didn't think Burton was that special before I even started playing.[/QUOTE]

Aha, here comes the part where you claim you know more than everyone and your opinion is always right. Talking about fanboyism... :rolleyes:

[QUOTE=vashts80]Once again, you're a beligerant nincompoop and a meddling deficient. Play bass before you start spouting your mouth off, idiot.[/QUOTE]

So I need to start playing bass to determine if cliff inspired thousands of people or not? Or why don't you shut your pie hole, go ask in bass thread, and find the truth for yourself? ok?

I started out as a bass player and guess who inspired me? Cliff Burton...all of my bass friend who don't play in Metallica cover bands and are in metal bands that sound nothing like Metallica will say that they were inspired by guess who...Cliff Burton. Many bass players were inspired by Cliff Burton and the other Metallica bass player but Cliff Burton was probabley been the mosy inspirational bass player to ever live. If you don't like that then stfu and get out of the Metallica thread.

Exactly. He needs to STFU if all he ever wants to do is bash metallica and all of it's members.

Or the whole thread could not get butthurt when someone bashes Metallica.

[QUOTE=PepsiMetal]Exactly. He needs to STFU if all he ever wants to do is bash metallica and all of it's members.[/QUOTE]

You need to stop typing. Everytime you reply to anything remotely harmful to your perspective, makes you look silly. No one's bashing anything, chill the fu[SIZE="2"]c[/SIZE]k out and respect other peoples opinions on this forum, please.


[QUOTE]So why are you posting it in a metallica thread, idiot?[/QUOTE]

That will teach him, call him names because you lost your temper. He's just stating his feelings, that's all. If you don't like it, don't ignite the fire by calling names and prolonging the conversation to a negative element.


[QUOTE]Do a search on your username and this thread. I remember when we talked about kirk hammett and some song, and you came in here just for the sake of mentioning dave mustaine is better than kirk, even though nobody has even talked about mustaine.[/QUOTE]

Who the F cares! That's his opinion, who cares...seriously. Why wouldn't someone come in a Metallica Thread and mention Dave Mustaine? It's not rhetorical, he was part of the band once upon a time, of course you know that right? Being a huge Metallica fan and all. You need to stop typing before you embarass yourself even more.

The annoying thing is, vashts is sometimes the only guy in this thread with a clue, but at the same time, I definately don't agree with his Cliff bashing..

[QUOTE=Flynn]You need to stop typing. Everytime you reply to anything remotely harmful to your perspective, makes you look silly. No one's bashing anything, chill the fu[SIZE="2"]c[/SIZE]k out and respect other peoples opinions on this forum, please.[/QUOTE]

Why should I respect his opinion when he doesn't respect anyone elses and thinks his opinion is superior to everyone elses? :confused:

[QUOTE=Flynn]That will teach him, call him names because you lost your temper. He's just stating his feelings, that's all. If you don't like it, don't ignite the fire by calling names and prolonging the conversation to a negative element.[/QUOTE]

He called me names too, what's your point?

[QUOTE=Flynn]Who the F cares! That's his opinion, who cares...seriously. Why wouldn't someone come in a Metallica Thread and mention Dave Mustaine? It's not rhetorical, he was part of the band once upon a time, of course you know that right? Being a huge Metallica fan and all. You need to stop typing before you embarass yourself even more.[/QUOTE]

[SIZE="7"]HE THINKS HIS OPINION IS SUPERIOR TO EVERYONE ELSES.[/SIZE]

I couldn't care less who he thinks is better as long as he stops bitching about everyone else being wrong and him being right.

[QUOTE=PepsiMetal]
HE THINKS HIS OPINION IS SUPERIOR TO EVERYONE ELSES
[/QUOTE]

Well, better leave it before it becomes into something personal.

that's a retarded arguement...everyone knows that Billy Sheehan is the best bassist player known to man. He could cool Les Claypool anyday.

if you listen to Metallica on a tech. standard and don't like it then why are you listening to them. I like them but I can easily play there music. Good music is subjective and in my subjective opinion Metallica makes good music and Hetfield's phrasing is one of the best IMO. Music doesn't have to have 7 string sweeps or counterpointing or some extremely hard tech. stuff to make it sound. As long as you enjoy it I think that is the only thing that sound ever matter. If you don't like it and you feel you have to express you opinion then do so it a short and simple way that won't piss others off and leave it at that

[QUOTE=PepsiMetal]So you think in a metal forum, most people will claim Mark Hoppus as influence than cliff burton? If so, you are probably wrong. Why don't you ask in this bass' forum and see which one is mentioned more. BTW that was official Symphony X forum, who are quite metal.[/quote]
Try reading my post over. You go into a metal forum and find a thread on people who inspired them to pick up their instruments. Wowzers, it won't be hard to find "Lars Ulrich" and "Kirk Hammett" and "Cliff Burton" on there. But for the majority of people, aka the masses, Mark Hoppus or somebody else, in the mainstream, are going to inspire people to play an instrument.

Yes, I'm aware that SX are "quite metal". Romeo is another God.



[quote]So why are you posting it in a metallica thread, idiot?[/quote]
Because unlike a lot of people in this thread, I'm not afraid to post my opinions up for meaningful discussions.


[quote]Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

At least I wont bitch at your opinion.[/quote]
It's ironic, because that's what you've been doing everytime I don't suck Metallica's proverbial [b]dic[/b]k


[quote]Do a search on your username and this thread. I remember when we talked about kirk hammett and some song, and you came in here just for the sake of mentioning dave mustaine is better than kirk, even though nobody has even talked about mustaine. That's called sucking him off. Same as if I came to megadeth thread, when they're discussing favorite songs or something, and out of the blue, I just say, Joe Satriani owns dave mustaine. Which is stupid, and I'm not you.[/quote]
Dave Mustaine was the original lead guitarist for Metallica. Dave Mustaine is better than Kirk Hammett. Mustaine has written what was hailed as being in the top 5 thrash albums of all time. What's Kirk written? The same minor (or is it major? I can't remember) pentatonic scales covered in wah? It's not hard to see past the hype of Metallica and realize, Kirk Hammett is a very overrated guitar player. Just as overrated as Kurt Cobain, or Jimmy Paige. Just as overrated as Joey Jordison (although, he has to be good if he played with Satyricon) or Lars Ulrich.


[quote]Aha, here comes the part where you claim you know more than everyone and your opinion is always right. Talking about fanboyism... :rolleyes: [/quote]
No, I know more than [b]you[/b], seeing as how I actually play bass. Seeing as how I actually study the instrument, instead of blindly passing judgement over something as easy to understand as how a microwave heats things, or how a clock works.



[quote]So I need to start playing bass to determine if cliff inspired thousands of people or not? Or why don't you shut your pie hole, go ask in bass thread, and find the truth for yourself? ok?[/QUOTE]
I do post in the bass forum. I'd love to see you talk to Sade. He'd own you. Hard. Tr00f.

STFU. Stop bitching. This has gone way past healthy discussion.

will you go somewhere with that retarded ****...yes you can express your SUBJECTIVE opinion but you have shown many areas where you don't know wtf you are talking about. take you little mature 13 year old mind somewhere else and make the Metallica thread free of you ignorant remarks

P.S. If Dave Mustaine is better then Hammett then lets see him counterpoint like Hammett can

Pentatonic scale is neither major or minor smart guy.