[QUOTE=fatbandit]Basswise?

I wouldn't think it would be that hard for Rob to top the performance on RTL.

Call of Ktulu is the only thing with real nice bass in that IMO, pity it's not more prominent in the mix.

Songwriting wise? Cliff's songwriting and theory influence came more into play on MoP I think.

:smash:[/QUOTE]
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Call of the Ktulu was the first Metallica song I downloaded. Still one of my favorites. Hammett shines on it too.

[QUOTE=fatbandit]Basswise?[/QUOTE]

Well everyone says Metallica died when cliff did, so if a better bassist comes along, then they would be better than they were with cliff.

[QUOTE=PepsiMetal]Well everyone says Metallica died when cliff did, so if a better bassist comes along, then they would be better than they were with cliff.[/QUOTE]


I say that Metallica died when Cliff did. And the next Metallica died when Jason
left. Now they are reborn with Robert

it's cool

That's an interesting thing to say. Like Cliff's death was the end of Thrash/Heavy Metal 'Tallica and Jason's leaving was the end of Hard Rock 'Tallica. Wonder what's next.

[QUOTE=Happy]That's an interesting thing to say. Like Cliff's death was the end of Thrash/Heavy Metal 'Tallica and Jason's leaving was the end of Hard Rock 'Tallica. Wonder what's next.[/QUOTE]

I think this is the St. Anger age

but that's just me

Heh, heh, I love the dude who cited FWTBT as why Cliff was better than Rob is. I was playing that soing fully a month into bass playing.

As for why Rob is better than Cliff? What did Cliff bring to the table, for [b]bassplaying[/b]? Not much. His songwriting was standard or just above standard for thrash metal. He brought a lot of musical theory to the table. But his basslines were not special.

The only stand out lines I can think of are Ktulu the solo near the end in Orion, and Leper Messiah's line. Really, that's it. Everything followed the guitars. Does anybody really consider that "special" or "technical"? Unless of course it's Meshuggah or something while they're flying all over the fingerboard.

Did Cliff play a 5 string bass? Did he play fretless? Did he play 6 strings? No, No, No. While I realize that playing more strings, or playing fretless doesn't necessarily equal talent (although fretless basses, especially unlined, are a LOT harder to play when you first start, take it from me), Burton was extremely limited in what he could do in his "lead bass" roll, which quite honestly, wasn't lead bass.

My top 25 bassists in metal (not in any particular order):

Jim Sheppard (Nevermore)
Felipe Andreoli (Angra)
Martin Mendez (Opeth)
Johan DeFarfalla (ex-Opeth)
Steve DiGiorgio (Sadus, ex-Death, ex-Testament, etc)
Eric Langlois (Cryptopsy)
Alex Webster (Cannibal Corpse)
Steve Harris (Iron Maiden)
Mattias Norrman (Katatonia)
Scott Clendenin (Death, ex-Control Denied)
Mike Gonzalez (Dark Angel)
Tony Choy (Atheist, ex-Pestilence)
Sean Malone (Cynic)
Roger Patterson (ex-Atheist, R.I.P)
John Myung (Dream Theater)
Dominic LaPointe (Quo Vadis)
Joey DeMaio (Manowar)
Gustaf Hielm (Meshuggah)
Tyr (Emperor, Borknagar)
Stephan Fimmers (Necrophagist)
Hugh Steven James Mingay (Arcturus)
Arjen Anthony Lucassen (Ayreon etc)
Marcin Nowak (ex-Behemoth, Vader)
Peter Theobald (Akercocke)
Chief Spires (ex-Nile)

All of you kids who say thrash died because of metallica,I remind you Pantera lasted into the 2000's.

They'res plenty of thrash bands out there.Metallica was never the heaviest thrash band anyway.

as a bass player, its fairly noticable that trujillo is much better than burton.

[QUOTE=Britton]I think this is the St. Anger age

but that's just me[/QUOTE]
yeah but Bob Rock played bass for that. So hopefully that era's over.

Think of it this way. It's not Bob Rock. Thank God. And then go wait in line for the new Metallica Album

[QUOTE=RyanTheDrummer]
Metallica was never the heaviest thrash band anyway.[/QUOTE]

what does that have to do with anything.

[QUOTE=vashts80]Heh, heh, I love the dude who cited FWTBT as why Cliff was better than Rob is. I was playing that soing fully a month into bass playing.

As for why Rob is better than Cliff? What did Cliff bring to the table, for [b]bassplaying[/b]? Not much. His songwriting was standard or just above standard for thrash metal. He brought a lot of musical theory to the table. But his basslines were not special.

The only stand out lines I can think of are Ktulu the solo near the end in Orion, and Leper Messiah's line. Really, that's it. Everything followed the guitars. Does anybody really consider that "special" or "technical"? Unless of course it's Meshuggah or something while they're flying all over the fingerboard.

Did Cliff play a 5 string bass? Did he play fretless? Did he play 6 strings? No, No, No. While I realize that playing more strings, or playing fretless doesn't necessarily equal talent (although fretless basses, especially unlined, are a LOT harder to play when you first start, take it from me), Burton was extremely limited in what he could do in his "lead bass" roll, which quite honestly, wasn't lead bass.

My top 25 bassists in metal (not in any particular order):

Jim Sheppard (Nevermore)
Felipe Andreoli (Angra)
Martin Mendez (Opeth)
[B]Johan DeFarfalla[/B] (ex-Opeth)
Steve DiGiorgio (Sadus, ex-Death, ex-Testament, etc)
Eric Langlois (Cryptopsy)
Alex Webster (Cannibal Corpse)
Steve Harris (Iron Maiden)
Mattias Norrman (Katatonia)
Scott Clendenin (Death, ex-Control Denied)
Mike Gonzalez (Dark Angel)
Tony Choy (Atheist, ex-Pestilence)
Sean Malone (Cynic)
Roger Patterson (ex-Atheist, R.I.P)
John Myung (Dream Theater)
Dominic LaPointe (Quo Vadis)
Joey DeMaio (Manowar)
Gustaf Hielm (Meshuggah)
Tyr (Emperor, Borknagar)
Stephan Fimmers (Necrophagist)
Hugh Steven James Mingay (Arcturus)
Arjen Anthony Lucassen (Ayreon etc)
Marcin Nowak (ex-Behemoth, Vader)
Peter Theobald (Akercocke)
Chief Spires (ex-Nile)[/QUOTE]


I couldn't have explained that better myself. I love Johan's playing on Morningrise, quite talented he was.

[QUOTE=vashts80]I was playing that soing fully a month into bass playing.[/QUOTE]

So you think any song that's easy to learn CAN'T be good? That's pretty stupid considering it's wrong.

But then again, you are a guy who considers all best comparisons to only look at technical side.

[QUOTE=vashts80]As for why Rob is better than Cliff? What did Cliff bring to the table, for [b]bassplaying[/b]? Not much.[/QUOTE]

Cliff has only inspired thousands of bass players. :rolleyes:

[QUOTE=RyanTheDrummer]All of you kids who say thrash died because of metallica,I remind you Pantera lasted into the 2000's.

They'res plenty of thrash bands out there.Metallica was never the heaviest thrash band anyway.[/QUOTE]

I think you, "kid", need to learn to read. Happy's post:

"That's an interesting thing to say. Like Cliff's death was the end of [b]Thrash/Heavy Metal 'Tallica[/b] and Jason's leaving was the end of Hard Rock 'Tallica. Wonder what's next."

Thrash metallica doesn't mean thrash in general.

BTW there are still bands like Slayer who are much thrashier than pantera.

Rob didn't write the bassline for 1919 Eternal he was just on the record for recording and he helped Zakk with 1 song...I can hardly call that a fair example of his skills

BLS is doing fine without Rob. Zakk is what makes BLS sound good. Not bassist, drummer, or the other guitarist. But cliff on the other hand, made the whole band sound better imo.

But really, it's not fair to say right now that Cliff was a better bassist. If Rob doesn't do much good in metallica, then it'll be fair to say so since both of them have been in the same band.

[QUOTE=fatbandit]
Ellefson > Burton too while we're at it IMO.
[/QUOTE]

Nah, imo Ellefson is just fast, great player but not better than Cliff.

I like his basslines like My Last Words, Five Magics, Bad Omen, but they are nothing great, his new project F5 is good also.
Burton had simple recordings like FWTBT, Orion, Anesthesia, Phantom Lord, etc.
Studio wise, Ellefson is better than Burton, live, well Burton actually shred with the bass.

[QUOTE=PepsiMetal]BLS is doing fine without Rob. Zakk is what makes BLS sound good. Not bassist, drummer, or the other guitarist. But cliff on the other hand, made the whole band sound better imo.

But really, it's not fair to say right now that Cliff was a better bassist. If Rob doesn't do much good in metallica, then it'll be fair to say so since both of them have been in the same band.[/QUOTE]

Rob hasn't had the room to do anything within Metallica...when the new album comes put we will see.

I like Cliff as I'm sure everyone else does but he had a horrible bass sound. Great at the top but got worse as he when down on the frets. Jason had more of a baritone sound then a bass sound which is what he was going for by trying to recreate a guitar sound and copy James/Kirk. Rob has a real bass sound and a heavy one at that

Billy Sheehan > all other bassist

[QUOTE=PepsiMetal]Cliff has only inspired thousands of bass players. :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]

...who all play in thousands of Metallica Cover Bands.

[QUOTE=Flynn]...who all play in thousands of Metallica Cover Bands.[/QUOTE]

Well, John Myung, Ryan Martinie(sp), Les Claypool, Mike Inez, Pete Steele accepted Cliff Burton as one of their influences.

[QUOTE=W.M.A]what does that have to do with anything.[/QUOTE]
It has nothing to do with it.

Nobody here says thrash died with 'Tallica.

Whoops I didn't see the extra page here.

if Les Claypool liked Cliff Burton as a bass player then he's pretty much hot ****.

[QUOTE=PepsiMetal]
But then again, you are a guy who considers all best comparisons to only look at technical side.[/quote]
Did you actually read what the moron wrote? He basically said Cliff was better than Rob because he wrote For Whom the Bell Tolls. Whoopidie dee! Anybody could have written that bassline, quite honestly.

[quote]Cliff has only inspired thousands of bass players. :rolleyes:[/quote]
I quite honestly doubt that. I really do. Steve Harris? Mark Hoppus? These guys have inspired thousands of bass players. Not Burton.

[QUOTE=vashts80]
I quite honestly doubt that. I really do. Steve Harris? Mark Hoppus? These guys have inspired thousands of bass players. Not Burton.[/QUOTE]
Metallica have sold over 90 million albums. I'm sure Burton has influenced way more than a few thousand.

[QUOTE=vashts80]I quite honestly doubt that. I really do. Steve Harris? Mark Hoppus? These guys have inspired thousands of bass players. Not Burton.[/QUOTE]

isn't Mark Hoppus that Blink 182 guy? I doubt they even inspired people to even pickup an instrument

Burton is a huge influence. Anyone trying to deny that is just incredibly desperate to win an argument.

I like Burton's sound/tone better than anything. He was talented, had a nice tone, and has been heard by a vast amount of people. I'm pretty sure a lot of the bass players in that group of people to Cliff's playing into account.

[QUOTE=BLS_Infernus]isn't Mark Hoppus that Blink 182 guy? I doubt they even inspired people to even pickup an instrument[/QUOTE]

Like it or not, skill doesn't mean that much in this aspect. Like Cliff, a ton of people have heard Mark's music, and may like playing to that style.

[QUOTE=BLS_Infernus]isn't Mark Hoppus that Blink 182 guy? I doubt they even inspired people to even pickup an instrument[/QUOTE]
i beg to differ. most 13-16 year old musicians play blink182, and are really into their stuff.

I guess you could say I picked up guitar because of Blink 182. Me and my buddy were in Sam Ash a few years back and he tought me some Blink 182 songs. I thought it was fun, and started playing guitar.

So yeah, whatever skill the player has isn't really the big deal.

...wow, I never realized I picked up guitar because of Blink 182 until now...

[QUOTE=Flynn]...who all play in thousands of Metallica Cover Bands.[/QUOTE]

*jumps into argument*

You're right because every single bassist in the world inspired by burton plays in a metallica cover band

Cliff was great indeed, I can't argue that. His playing was ahead of his and the bands time which made his musical theory become even more powerful on and off the stage. I think vashts80 is just trying to make a point that Cliff Burton isn't the [I]only[/I] talented bassist icon in Metal.

Of course he wasnt the only talented one but I think he was the best. And he was way better that an average song writer