no, you guys use substances because you can't handle problems yourself. You must have missed the DRUGS ARE BAD class you had in 5th grade.

When I said I drink in a social environment, what I meant was when I go out with friends, or to a party, I only drink a little because if I don't my friends won't stop bugging me unless I do. I don't make a habit out of it, and I have never drunk any alcohol by myself (which is just sad). Most times I offer to be designated driver, so I can laugh at everyone else making a fool of themselves.

[QUOTE=reznor;15487313]When I said I drink in a social environment, what I meant was when I go out with friends, or to a party, I only drink a little because if I don't my friends won't stop bugging me unless I do.[/quote]
So you're a conformist?
[quote]Most times I offer to be designated driver, so I can laugh at everyone else making a fool of themselves.[/QUOTE]

I used to be relatively straight-edge (though im not a faggot so i shunned the label) and I chose to be so because I didn't like alcohol, nor did i like any sort of drugs. If you do it to "laugh at everyone else making a fool of themselves", you're doing it for all the wrong reasons.

[QUOTE]no, you guys use substances because you can't handle problems yourself. You must[/QUOTE]
Chronic migraines and a diagnosed anxiety disorder are typically not things you can "handle yourself".

Alcohol is a substance.

i was in that class but i can still examine what they said with some skepticism and not follow this antidrug doctrine like its a religious dogma

@ reznor

[QUOTE=reznor;15487313]no, you guys use substances because you can't handle problems yourself. You must have missed the DRUGS ARE BAD class you had in 5th grade.

When I said I drink in a social environment, what I meant was when I go out with friends, or to a party, I only drink a little because if I don't my friends won't stop bugging me unless I do. I don't make a habit out of it, and I have never drunk any alcohol by myself (which is just sad). Most times I offer to be designated driver, so I can laugh at everyone else making a fool of themselves.[/QUOTE]

ugh

some people drink, some people do drugs, some people don't. Big deal. And if you don't drink/do drugs because you think it will make you "better" than people who do, youre doing it for the wrong reasons.

edit : too slow

[QUOTE=Cocaine;15487282]well that's a perk obviously.

on topic: jun jun WEEEEEEEEE[/QUOTE]

JUN JUN JUN DOO WOO WOO
JUN JUN JUN DOO WOO WOO

GET IT, IT'S VISCERAL!

[quote=Coke]Chronic migraines and a diagnosed anxiety disorder are typically not things you can "handle yourself".[/quote]
Same goes for clinical depression, which I have Lexapro for, but I can use it as an excuse for weed if I want.

[QUOTE=Cocaine;15487315]

Chronic migraines and a diagnosed anxiety disorder are typically not things you can "handle yourself".

[/QUOTE]

psycho-actives can help with depression too

So can anti-psychotics. :o

The fact I have occasional drinks with friends or at meals does not make me a conformist in any way at all. Your suggestion is similar to 'oh so you're breathing huh, you must be a conformist'.
You're just trying to pick nuances in every word I say in order to defend yourself.
In regards to your anxiety and migraines, that's unfortunate that you suffer something like that. However, if marijuana was the right thing for you to take to treat that, I'm sure a) marijuana would be legal, b) your doctor would prescribe you marijuana, and c) marijuana wouldn't have any of the other long-term health problems associated with it. So stop using that as an excuse for getting high.
I myself suffer from horrendous migraines on the odd occasion, (something I got from my mum's side of the family), and I don't smoke marijuana to get over it. I don't even take painkillers because I am against those too (they just reduce your immunity to viruses etc.) I just let my body deal with it by going and lying down or sleeping.

okay: You're forgetting the simple fact that overall drugs and the human body are not meant to mix. They're bad for you, and in a lot of cases (I know marijuana isn't, don't bug me about it), very addictive.

also on the topic of metalcore, what are some other good bands that are similar to converge?

[QUOTE=reznor;15487345]The fact I have occasional drinks with friends or at meals does not make me a conformist in any way at all. Your suggestion is similar to 'oh so you're breathing huh, you must be a conformist'.[/quote]
Breathing is a necessity, and not a conscious decision. Drinking so your friends wont hassle you is not the same


[quote]You're just trying to pick nuances in every word I say in order to defend yourself.[/quote]
No, I'm actually exposing logical fallacies in your shitty argument.

[quote]In regards to your anxiety and migraines, that's unfortunate that you suffer something like that. However, if marijuana was the right thing for you to take to treat that, I'm sure a) marijuana would be legal, b) your doctor would prescribe you marijuana, and c) marijuana wouldn't have any of the other long-term health problems associated with it. So stop using that as an excuse for getting high.[/quote]
1. Marijuana is prescribed often here for anxiety
2. My doctor has suggested marijuana out of a legal context
3. And I suppose you'd say the same for the birth control pill, which is now being linked in [I]certain studies[/I] to breast cancer? I've yet to see any non-partisan evidence supporting or discouraging marijuana. You fail to realize that any and all studies are relevant to who is lobbying and funding them.

[quote]I myself suffer from horrendous migraines on the odd occasion, (something I got from my mum's side of the family), and I don't smoke marijuana to get over it. I don't even take painkillers because I am against those too (they just reduce your immunity to viruses etc.) I just let my body deal with it by going and lying down or sleeping.[/quote]
Migraines don't allow me to sleep. They impede my ability to function normally. Furthermore, a migraine painkiller has no relevance to viruses; that claim is 100% unsuported.

[quote]okay: You're forgetting the simple fact that overall drugs and the human body are not meant to mix. They're bad for you, and in a lot of cases (I know marijuana isn't, don't bug me about it), very addictive.[/QUOTE]
Subjective and dependant on what you consider "bad" to mean. Marijuana has just as many positives as it does negatives.

You're arguing with the wrong person; I'm in critical thinking mode and I will take you on to the very last point.

[QUOTE]also on the topic of metalcore, what are some other good bands that are similar to converge?[/QUOTE]

BURIED INSIDE!!

Today Is The Day

Rorschach

1. 'Breathing is a necessity, and not a conscious decision. Drinking so your friends wont hassle you is not the same'. I wasn't saying it was the same, I was merely making a ridiculous analogy to show your habit of picking out little things I say instead of understanding the whole point I'm trying to make. Which you just did again :P
I don't take, nor will I ever need to take, birth control. So comparing that to marijuana is simply a 'logical fallacy' (thank god I did philosophy, I know what that means). See, instead of understanding the point you were making about who funds the studies I can merely say that anything about birth control isn't relevant to this discussion, unless there are any females in here who wish to make it so. That's all you've been doing in order to try and prove me wrong.

I also know that migraine painkillers have nothing to do with viruses, I was speaking of painkillers in a general sense.

I think I now know what you mean by your critical thinking mode, so I'll stop. I will however say that just because something has one good use to you doesn't mean that you should overlook all of it's negatives. (In reply to what you said.)
Punching someone we don't like in the face is a really good feeling, but the negatives of getting punched back or being charged for assault outweigh the good. I feel the same thing can be said about marijuana. (yes, bad example, but all I could think of at the moment).

And I shall now search for Buried Inside.

I also would like to go off on a tangent and ask who here thinks the black dahlia murder are a metalcore band, and if not, what. (mainly because of a discussion in the comment section of a review, the discussion wasn't really finalised)

The Black Dahlia Murder is melodic death metal. Their first demo was deathcore.

[QUOTE]I think I now know what you mean by your critical thinking mode, so I'll stop. I will however say that just because something has one good use to you doesn't mean that you should overlook all of it's negatives. (In reply to what you said.)[/QUOTE]
I recognize both the positives and negatives of marijuana and feel that the positives outweigh it. You obviously differ. That is fine, but you cant act as if you're on a moral high road because of this.

[QUOTE]I also would like to go off on a tangent and ask who here thinks the black dahlia murder are a metalcore band, and if not, what.[/QUOTE]

Definitely melodeath. There's no real hardcore to speak for their music.

[QUOTE=reznor;15487398]1. 'Breathing is a necessity, and not a conscious decision. Drinking so your friends wont hassle you is not the same'. I wasn't saying it was the same, I was merely making a ridiculous analogy to show your habit of picking out little things I say instead of understanding the whole point I'm trying to make. Which you just did again :P[/QUOTE]
hes showing the holes in your argument not blindly nitpicking

[QUOTE]I don't take, nor will I ever need to take, birth control. So comparing that to marijuana is simply a 'logical fallacy' (thank god I did philosophy, I know what that means). See, instead of understanding the point you were making about who funds the studies I can merely say that anything about birth control isn't relevant to this discussion, unless there are any females in here who wish to make it so. That's all you've been doing in order to try and prove me wrong.[/QUOTE]
cocaine brought up birth control in response to your anecdote of mj being the right treatement, such that birth control pills do their job of controlling birth but they also carry side effects, even though they are legal

[QUOTE=Cocaine;15487410]Definitely melodeath. There's no real hardcore to speak for their music.[/QUOTE]
[I]What A Horrible Night To Have A Curse[/I] [the demo, not the song] has a bit of hardcore influence.

what do you guys think of eden maine

robots: yeah you said that in the previous discussion. whenever i think of melodic death i think of in flames, dark tranquillity, dissection, opeth (arguable) etc. i remember someone
(maybe you) said it was american melodic death, which is a valid point but for some reason it still doesnt sway me. what are some other bands that would be similar? i cant think of any

Not familiar, you're like, stumping me and s[size=2]h[/size]it tonight.
[QUOTE=reznor;15487428]robots: yeah you said that in the previous discussion. whenever i think of melodic death i think of in flames, dark tranquillity, dissection, opeth (arguable) etc. i remember someone
(maybe you) said it was american melodic death, which is a valid point but for some reason it still doesnt sway me. what are some other bands that would be similar? i cant think of any[/QUOTE]
I don't really differentiate melodic death by location anymore.

In Flames and Dark Tranquillity are a lot more unique sounding because they were two of the first bands in the genre.

Some bands I'd compare to The Black Dahlia Murder would be Light This City, At The Gates, Bring Me The Horizon, Through The Eyes Of The Dead, Naera, Darkest Hour, The Absence, As Blood Runs Black, and Viatrophy.

i think it might have been the bring me the horizon thread, but im not sure. but im still not convinced about them being melodeath, for reasons as above.

But if BDM isn't melodeath, how are they metalcore?

Blah, here, compare and contrast.

Bring Me The Horizon:
[url]http://www.myspace.com/bmth[/url]

The song RE: They Have No Reflections is off of their EP, when they did play metalcore though.

Some melodic death bands:
[url]http://www.myspace.com/lightthiscity[/url]
[url]http://www.myspace.com/blackdahliamurder[/url]
[url]http://www.myspace.com/tteotd[/url]

Some metalcore bands:
[url]http://www.myspace.com/skycamefalling1021[/url]
[url]http://www.myspace.com/converge[/url]
[url]http://www.myspace.com/listentoaftershock[/url]

all this sub genre stuff is confusing

[QUOTE=i am the robots;15487474]Blah, here, compare and contrast.

Bring Me The Horizon:
[url]http://www.myspace.com/bringmethehorizon[/url]
[/QUOTE]

you might want to check this url again

edit: you did

they're melodeath but holy bad vocals.

Yeah, it's annoying when kids use band names as their URL's.

im not saying they are, but i liken them more to metalcorish bands rather than the melodic death bands i mentioned before. so what im asking is why the melodeath label, and what are some other similar bands to tbdm

Which is why I posted this:
[quote]Some bands I'd compare to The Black Dahlia Murder would be Light This City, At The Gates, Bring Me The Horizon, Through The Eyes Of The Dead, Naera, Darkest Hour, The Absence, As Blood Runs Black, and Viatrophy.[/quote]
There's actually tons more, so many kids want to be The Black Dahlia Murder these days.

Also, look at early death metal bands like Entombed, then look at modern death metal bands like Decapitated... the sound is derived from the root, but the genre's evolved.

Just like bands like Converge and 7 Angels 7 Plagues pioneered metalcore, but now modern metalcore sounds like As I Lay Dying and God Forbid.

ok I can see why I was confused I haven't listened to any of those bands, besides At the Gates. But thanks for bringing up At the Gates, because that clarified it for me. TBDM do sound similar to at the gates (slaughter of the soul only).

Slaughter Of The Soul is like the definition of generic melodic death metal.

oh I wouldn't say so, it depends on what sort of melodic death metal you are talking about. I don't think Slaughter of the Soul is anything like albums like Whoracle, The Gallery, Morningrise by In Flames, DT and Opeth. I generally consider that sort of music melodic death metal, rather than At the Gates. But then At the Gates stems from that so it's just a whole bunch different styles.
And I wouldn't say it was generic because At the Gates made it, they revolutionised it, and it's only become generic now because every band rips off their style.

Well I wouldn't really consider Opeth melodic death though.

Moreso a mix of prog rock and metal with elements of death metal, doom metal, folk, black metal, and like 48 other styles of music.

And I agree, Slaughter Of The Soul wasn't very generic for its time, but the formula's been ripped-off for so many years now. I don't care if music's generic, tbh, just so long as I can still enjoy it.

that's true, but you can really draw similarities between their first two albums and other melodic death metal bands (that's why I always include them in melodic death, because that's where they began).

Blah, we should bump the melodic death thread, kind of derailing the metalcore discussion.

yeah

yeah >:-|

is there even a melo-death thread?

So I'm working on a review for [I]A Penny For Your Confessions[/I].

I'm really thinking it deserves 5... but it might just be Skycamefalling fanboyism.
[QUOTE=reznor;15487537]is there even a melo-death thread?[/QUOTE]
There is, but the majority of the R&M community isn't really into the genre.

i wanna continue this discussion

how is a band like blarg darlia murder metalcore? wftwtfwtf