hey mappy, i love you

yeah but a mental issue where somebody is incredibly ecstatic one section and then beating the **** out of someone ten years his minor for no apparent reason is a bit more than an abnormality

something thatll take a happy family dinner to throwing the bible at somebody's face one second later is more than a ****ing abnormality

would you like to hear more about how "exaggerated" this "abnormality" is?

[QUOTE=i am the robots;15859575]yeah vince im glad youve experienced the same ****ing home life as me

seriously ****ing tell more people their wrong based off of their lives that you havent even ****ing experienced, my family is seriously extremely ****ed up and i dont need some moderator who takes the internet too seriously and bans somebody for a year over spam telling me that its "fake"[/QUOTE]
wait where did you make a point in there?

if you don't need this moderator that's cool it's not your perogative to choose.

edit: it's a socially constructed problem though not a disease. i'm not saying it's not a problem. sometimes it is. but it's not a disease.

im just saying shut the **** up because you have no ****ing place to tell me that bipolar disorder isnt ****ing anything

Come on Vince, I'm a little bi polar, and even if it's technically not a disease, it sucks.

If you think it should be considered normal to be happy one day and extremely depressed the next than think that, but it's not shared by everyone.

[QUOTE=Apocalypticon;15859570]diseases are illness of body parts, the mind isn't a body part though. the brain is.

mind =/= brain[/QUOTE]

ummm chemicals control thought. Thought is the internal interpretation of chemical process. Therefore, the mind = brain.

but i didn't say that you're overreacting and strawmanning so chill.

i used ****ing examples that ive seen in my own home, things that i grew up around constantly, seriously: YOURE USUALLY ****ING WRONG IN THESE SITUATIONS

[QUOTE=guitrguy;15859607]ummm chemicals control thought. Thought is the internal interpretation of chemical process. Therefore, the mind = brain.[/QUOTE]

I reject your reality and substitute my own

[QUOTE=i am the robots;15859613]i used ****ing examples that ive seen in my own home, things that i grew up around constantly, seriously: YOURE USUALLY ****ING WRONG IN THESE SITUATIONS[/QUOTE]

Calm down. I think he just meant technically it's not a disease per the meaning of the term.

[QUOTE=Apocalypticon;15859618]I reject your reality and substitute my own[/QUOTE]

thats cool, but I prefer to go with supported ideas.

you haven't addressed what i actually said at all you've merely addressed what you think i said which is incorrect.

it's too bad you think i'm incorrect, for your sake.

well thats a stupid ****ing irrelevant point to make in an attempt to seem smart

Wow seriously I should have just not said anything. :lol:

[QUOTE=i am the robots;15859628]well thats a stupid ****ing irrelevant point to make in an attempt to seem smart[/QUOTE]

Sorry but he was adhering to an objective argument.

[QUOTE=guitrguy;15859622]thats cool, but I prefer to go with supported ideas.[/QUOTE]

yeah supported ideas are good but I've read some of Thomas Szasz's stuff on the subject and its pretty interesting and somewhat convincing

[QUOTE=guitrguy;15859643]Sorry but he was adhering to an objective argument.[/QUOTE]

sorry im a little tipsy and in a really bad mood atm

[QUOTE=Apocalypticon;15859645]yeah supported ideas are good but I've read some of Thomas Szasz's stuff on the subject and its pretty interesting and somewhat convincing[/QUOTE]

Is there much on wiki about his philosophy?

[QUOTE=i am the robots;15859648]sorry im a little tipsy and in a really bad mood atm[/QUOTE]

omg rly

[QUOTE=i am the robots;15859628]well thats a stupid ****ing irrelevant point to make in an attempt to seem smart[/QUOTE]
i don't have to attempt to seem smart, i know i'm smart.

also it's really not, people treat these problems like diseases and try to solve them with medicine which is the improper approach to those sorts of problems. your case is a perfect example of that in fact.

only one of my family members is medicated other than me

and shes a total bitch when shes not on medication

maybe i just put too much trust in medication for said disorder because i havent seen my one older brother in four ****ing years, and maybe if we got him on something he wouldntve turned out the way he is now

[url]http://youtube.com/watch?v=gXCW2DOV17k[/url]

lets all lol at this local band.

I'm bipolar and im supposed to take something for it but I dont really care usually.

that band rules.

edit: **** I wanna be that guy

[QUOTE=guitrguy;15859651]Is there much on wiki about his philosophy?[/QUOTE]

not really

the article on anti-psychiatry gives a basic description of the subject but also contains some bullsh[I]i[/I]t

I have some book that gives a good outline of the subject and references a whole bunch of authors and studies etc. The main reason I got interested in it was it compared mental illness to LSD trips, which seems really weird. But it had some really interesting stuff about the whole set and setting theory.

You've seen Roman Gabriel Todd's Beast Rising Out of the Sea?

[QUOTE=i am the robots;15859672]only one of my family members is medicated other than me

and shes a total bitch when shes not on medication

maybe i just put too much trust in medication for said disorder because i havent seen my one older brother in four ****ing years, and maybe if we got him on something he wouldntve turned out the way he is now[/QUOTE]
but that was part of my original point. just because you can medicate normalcy doesn't mean you should. just because medicine solves an issue doesn't make that issue a disease.

if society had helped your parents raise you in a less bipolar environment, you wouldn't be as bipolar. if you ate healthier foods and fewer chemicals you'd be less bipolar. the problem with medicalizing mental disorders is that you fail to address any other factors which could solve the problem effectively without medication.

[QUOTE=guitrguy;15859677][url]http://youtube.com/watch?v=gXCW2DOV17k[/url]

lets all lol at this local band.[/QUOTE]

omg the vocalist is like 50. :lol:

my moms all about organic health foods and wholeistic methods to healing, we didnt have a bottle of tylenol in our house until i was like 15

she made us use organic toothpaste even

[QUOTE=guitrguy;15859693]You've seen Roman Gabriel Todd's Beast Rising Out of the Sea?[/QUOTE]

I watched a mintue of it and it ruled.

it rules even more now.

[QUOTE=Apocalypticon;15859688]not really

the article on anti-psychiatry gives a basic description of the subject but also contains some bullsh[I]i[/I]t

I have some book that gives a good outline of the subject and references a whole bunch of authors and studies etc. The main reason I got interested in it was it compared mental illness to LSD trips, which seems really weird. But it had some really interesting stuff about the whole set and setting theory.[/QUOTE]
hmmm... i'll keep an eye out for him the next time i'm at a B&N
[QUOTE=Luc214;15859698]omg the vocalist is like 50. :lol:[/QUOTE]

Haha, dudes hes in his 70's, but he awesome as ****. He smokes bud too.