^ Nephilim,Anunakim/n

[QUOTE=opeth_oasis]saturn ascends[/QUOTE]
comes 'round again

Any thoughts on what Tool's new album will be like? If it follows the trend then it will be like Lateralus. Tool really changed their sound from Undertow/Opiate to Lateralus. Ænima was like a transition of their sound, but it was my favorite.

The whole saturn ascends thing has to do with the fact that saturn is in a particular spot in the solar system when your born then it returns to that position again when your about 28-30... same time when you experience your "mid life crisis" I read this in an interview with Maynard about half a year ago.. I'll see if I can find it.

Danny Carey said the new album would sound like a mix between Lateralus and Undertow, but this was before maynard came back.. I think they are going to surprise us again.. No 2 Tool albums really sound anything alike.. If you've never heard tool and were made to listen to 1 song from each album you would probably think they're from 5 different bands .. Hopefully they evolve as much as they did last time..

None of this "this album sounds like a mix between this and that" crap. People say that every new album that comes out for any band and it never is true. Not to mention the fact that I would be pissed if it sounded like a mix between Undertow and Lateralus, seeing as how Tool evolves their sound with each album, but if they were to do that then it wouldn't be an evolution at all.

-Heavier and generally more complex music than Lateralus.
-More emotional (possibly more melodic, given his work in APC, although it could be the opposite if he makes the effort to keep both projects totally seperate) vocals from Maynard.

That's my two educated predictions.

I was just saying what Danny Carey said.. This could just mean heavier than Lateralus but with the same complexity..

[QUOTE=physt]I was just saying what Danny Carey said.. This could just mean heavier than Lateralus but with the same complexity..[/QUOTE]

That would be prime.. :thumb:

[QUOTE=In Chains 36]That would be prime.. :thumb:[/QUOTE]

I agree.. Also, there was a post on TDN about the news update on Toolband.com and blair said this about the music..."with writing/arranging sessions going well into what Milton called “the palpable obscure.”

So somebody on TDN googled that and got this.. from the book by milton..

To heal the scar of these corrosive fires,
Shall breathe her balm. But, first, whom shall we send
In search of this new World? whom shall we find
Sufficient? who shall tempt with wandering feet
The dark, unbottomed, infinite Abyss,
And through the palpable obscure find out
His uncouth way, or spread his airy flight...."

I think lyrically, this would be a great place to go for tool.. And it definitely sounds, musically, like a mix between undertow and lateralus .. heh.. Not that I can here it :)..

I have a 2 questions about Planet X(Or Niburu). First, Is the Planet an actual planet in space, or is it just made up? Second, If it is an actual Planet, then why isn't it cosidered a planet in our solar system?

i believe it's a planet past pluto (which is arguably a planet). i heard one story on it years ago and never any else since, so my info may be off.

Supposedly and ancient culture(the sumerians, I believe) knew of this 'extra planet' and scientists have no logical answer for that.. So some people think that Ananaki(sp?) came from planet X and interbreeded with humans. Which, in there mind, would explain a big jump in evolution and also would explain how they knew of this planet so long ago.. And I guess all of the presidents and prime ministers of certain countries are Ananaki and they run the world still to this day..

I've only heard about this on TV so it may be off but that's the general jist of the story I believe..

Carey has also stated that Tool would be taking a huge influence from the math metal band Meshuggah. Danny Carey + influences from Tomas Haake= greatest drummer ever, says I.

Eh, I could live without Tool getting any heavier than Lateralus. Hell, Lateralus is pretty heavy, in my opinion.

I know they were influenced by Meshuggah this time and everything, but I thought they grew away from the whole "We're gonna be heavy and kick your [COLOR=White]as[/COLOR]s!" thing.

Carey's statement could be taken a number of different ways. I'm sure you will hear some Meshuggah on the new album, but it depends on what elements they are taking cues from them. Tool could be using more mathematical elements, just like Meshuggah, or maybe Jones picked up a downtuned 8 string and is using it on a few songs. I really doubt they will develop a more brutal sound. The heaviness is not what impresses me about Meshuggah. It's their originality.

meshuggah doesn't mean heavy, i can mean he will adapt part of the drummers style and make it toolised. like he said above they might just take some of the math aspect out.

To my knowledge Carey only said something about Meshuggah in one interview. If I'm incorrect on this, please let me know. I think people are blowing it out of proportion.

hmmm, Danny being influnced by Meshuggah....interesting

Interesting, yes; predictable, yes. Tool and Meshuggah have toured together multiple times. Man, that would be a crowning concert. :amaze:

I've only read it once, Kage, so it very well could be that we(I) are getting too hyped up about this.

Yeah, it's just that people saw him mention how Meshuggah influenced them in one interview and then it's all over the place, "This album is gonna be HEAVIER" or "More complex like MESHUGGAH DRUMMING EXTREME"

Maybe they saw Meshuggah playing and then got really excited to go write their own material. Just because they were influenced doesn't mean their sound is going to morph into this Meshugga-offspring.

And Kombucha mushroom, this isn't directed toward you, there've been many people in hear that I'm talking about.

[size=1]whoa, just because they are influnenced by Meshuggah, i don't think it means they will become a Meshuggah clone....[/size]

I don't think anybody thinks, or was insinuating that..

[size=1]i didn't say they did....[/size]

Physt, you haven't been here long enough. Awhile back, that's what people were saying. It just got to me. Like I said, I was not talking to Kombucha.

And Genocide monk, that's exactly what I was saying.

[QUOTE=Kage]Yeah, it's just that people saw him mention how Meshuggah influenced them in one interview and then it's all over the place, "This album is gonna be HEAVIER" or "More complex like MESHUGGAH DRUMMING EXTREME"[/QUOTE]

"Carey described the material as heavier and more intense than the group's last disc, 2001's Lateralus."

"There seems to be a little more brute force going on in the music, rather than being lighter and more intricate like some of the stuff on the last record," Carey said. "It still has quirky time changes, but so far we've been working on really heavy stuff."

"In part, the aggressive vibe of the material has been a reaction to Tool's tours with thunderously intricate bands like Fantômas and Swedish death-prog band Meshuggah."

Not to mention, that guy who described one of Tools new songs said that it was more complex and longer than anything he'd heard from them before.

There's also talk about a Lateralus live DVD.

[QUOTE=Shadius]"Carey described the material as heavier and more intense than the group's last disc, 2001's Lateralus."

"There seems to be a little more brute force going on in the music, rather than being lighter and more intricate like some of the stuff on the last record," Carey said. "It still has quirky time changes, but so far we've been working on really heavy stuff."

"In part, the aggressive vibe of the material has been a reaction to Tool's tours with thunderously intricate bands like Fantômas and Swedish death-prog band Meshuggah."

Not to mention, that guy who described one of Tools new songs said that it was more complex and longer than anything he'd heard from them before.

There's also talk about a Lateralus live DVD.[/QUOTE]


Thanks for that. I guess I was wrong in some areas. My point was that, like it said in the article, the agressive vibe has been "in part" because of Meshuggah.

More complex and longer, that sounds interesting.

I would love a Lateralus DVD. Maybe even with all the videos. I saw the Parabol/Parabola video not too long ago, and it ruled. Awesome stuff.

I'm sure we won't be disappointed. Lets face it, they've gone in different directions and not lost us yet, no matter how hard they might try. (:

[QUOTE=Kage]More complex and longer, that sounds interesting.[/QUOTE]
That was Blair describing the long-talked about "L.K." He put a lot of emphasis on the approximate 15-minute length, digital drums that Danny was using for parts of it, and Justin's bassline, which he described as being so fast and complex that it seemed "inhuman".

Sounds good to me. :chug:

That sounds great, i wanted to hear some heavier stuff from them,, long and complex sounds interesting too