I think I see where Maynard is coming from on the religous front. He's not opposed to religion, he's just opposed to those who use it to profit (televangelists, for one). I share the same feelings, these people are just exploiting others to make a buck.

Tool isn't really anti-religious, they just are against people being blind and not thinking. I don't think they have anything directly against Christianity or anything like that. I believe they are just against people following any belief system without first questioning its merits and following blindly.

They're more against the hypocrisies of organized religion. Against those who manipulate and take advantage of (siva chair said it above) people blindly following religion. Maynard is completely against L Ron Hubbard and Tammy Faye, those who take control of those who really believe in the spiritual.
Meh, is Tammy Faye really that bad?

Its the 'pinch of salt' factor you need to remember. its insane the amount of stuff that is merely them just having a private joke

[QUOTE=estel]I think the changes in Tool's emotion is pretty obvious
Opiate - anger, cynicism. Most obvious in Hush and Jerk-Off.

Undertow - still angry, but slightly more mature. More expressive than just 'fark you'

Ænima - More reflective. Seems to think about the problems - Stinkfist, Jimmy, Push[i]i[/i]t are the most obvious examples where the source of problem is actually discussed. Some slightly more deep tracks - Third Eye and 46 and 2 being the more obivously philosophical tracks.

Lateralus - a very existential type album. The Grudge and Ticks and Leeches have some of their old anger, but The Grudge expresses it in a much more meaningful way, incorporating some deeper themes. Parabol/Parabola, Lateralus and Disposition/Reflection/Triad are all quite deep, dealing with experience, thoughtfulness and reflection in obvious ways. The cynicism is less overbearing, and the music expresses a more philosophical or hopeful outlook than the earlier albums.

Who knows where the new album will lead?[/QUOTE]

Rep + (123 and articulated well)

I'm definitely excited. Ænima has my favorite songs but Lateralus is more impressive as an album. Who knows, maybe they can combine the two, for style, in the next album?

[QUOTE=BlindWriting]The first Opeth songs I listened to were The Funeral Portrait and Blackwater Park. I've never been a fan of death metal vocals, but this was definitely the right band to get me accustomed to that sort of sound. It really threw me off, hearing that amazing progressive metal music paired with death-style vocals, but I was slowly but surely growing to apprecaite them. Once you get passed that, and really let it grow on you, you'll love Opeth. I think they are an amazing band, and I've noticed quite a few fellow Tool fans also taking interest in them.[/QUOTE]
hey man, just a reccomendation to further your opeth listening: The Drapery Falls. this is some gooooooooooood stuff, and the vocals are alll up and down the scale. just thought you'd like this one if you liked the funeral portrait.

"Just remember I will always love you, even as I tear your ****ing throat away." :evil:

The Drapery Falls is probably my current favorite song by Opeth. Its great.

[QUOTE=In Chains 36]They're more against the hypocrisies of organized religion. Against those who manipulate and take advantage of (siva chair said it above) people blindly following religion. Maynard is completely against L Ron Hubbard and Tammy Faye, those who take control of those who really believe in the spiritual.
Meh, is Tammy Faye really that bad?[/QUOTE]

thats the best way i've seen it put. the jesus and cross references are just metaphors. people don't seem to understand this. Maynard uses metaphors. stinkfist isn't about fisting it's about become numb to something. the only song i've taken seriously is hush. so you people who take everything seriously from tool, get your head straight read between the lines, but don't read every pixel.

[QUOTE=Darkness Of Greed]The Drapery Falls is probably my current favorite song by Opeth. Its great.[/QUOTE]
Mine would have to be Deliverance, such a great song...
But i was going to say something to the anti religion thing, but theres not alot i have to say thats already been said... so yeah.

In the liner notes of Undertow tool thanks Bill Hicks.

Then Aenema came out after Bill Hicks' death. If you actually go through the lyrics of Aenima and Lateralus, most of the ideas have roots with Hicks. Eulogy is said to have been about him, "He was so loud, he sure could yell". I don't remember any stories of Jesus yelling. Go through the song, and compare it to Bill Hicks life and death. It definitely reminds me of him.

Aenima, the song uses the Arizona Bay metophor(Hicks most popular album title). Throughout this song he is repeating the thoughts of Hicks. Third Eye again has origins with Hicks. He commonly mentioned Squeejying(SP) his third eye. He was talking about taking shrooms, and seeing the 'truth' about the world(media, politics, others' views on drugs, and other issues). This makes me thing that Third Eye is more about viewing the world from the outside, and seeing how f.ucked up things really are. Coincidentally, after he 'Prys open his third eye' they see the light with 'Lateralus'.

Lateralus has a lot Hicks influence as well. He would always talk about how life is merely a precursor to the spiritual life. "Life is but a dream" . If you listen to his releases you can hear more quotes about this type of stuff. I don't remember any direct quotes off the top of my head.

Parabola and Lateralus come from the Bill Hicks influence I think. Not to say they're copying, but I think they got a lot of their influence from outside sources. They take these ideas and give them a hint of lyrical mastery, and create really inspirational songs. IMO, Bill Hicks is an inspiration too.. He just wasn't as eloquant. :)

If any of you haven't heard hicks I definitely recommond buying some.. Or DLing it.. You won't be let down if you like good comedy and Tool..

[QUOTE=Werny]I am enjoying it! Pu**** is amazing, Aloke is pure genius.

I think the next album will be experimental. On DannyCarey.Org he says they're developing new drums for the next album *gets a tingle down spine* and one toolband.com it tells us that they are working to meet their deadline so much that they worked Valentines Day! It can't be THAT far away!!!

Have HOPE!

IT WILL BE THE BEST ALBUM OF ALL TIME![/QUOTE]

That whole new drums thing has been there for at least a year, I don't know if he already has them or what. :confused:

I think it's obvious that Tool are influenced by/pay homage to Hicks in some of their songs, but honestly, stuff like Eulogy or Aenima can be interpreted in so many ways it really isn't funny.

To say that such-and-such Tool song is talking EXACTLY about a certain entity is really erroneous, because Tool songs can be applied to many different people or situations.

[QUOTE=The JoZ]To say that such-and-such Tool song is talking EXACTLY about a certain entity is really erroneous, because Tool songs can be applied to many different people or situations.[/QUOTE]
Yeah,it kind-of depends on the person listening to the CD too.It's the listeners interpritation.

Well, I wasn't saying that it is just a rippoff and twist of bill hicks. I was saying it's obvious that Bill Hicks has touched Maynards life in some way, and maybe even shaped his beliefs(a little or a lot, who knows). If you want to find out more about Maynard maybe you needent look further than Bill Hicks.

[QUOTE=magicaltroll834]Mine would have to be Deliverance, such a great song...[/QUOTE]

How awsome is the last few minutes? :D so simple yet so... awsome :p

[QUOTE=James Howlett]I dont think there anti christian but more anti thinking like the rest. They probably see religion (all orginized religion) as a form of control. To keep us from thinking too much for our selves.

Anyone know the band Dead Soul Tribe? They also make some kind of prog metal/rock music.[/QUOTE]
Real good band, aren't there only two people in it?

Man hush is great..anyone agree?

[QUOTE=Adam Jones is GOD]Its the 'pinch of salt' factor you need to remember. its insane the amount of stuff that is merely them just having a private joke[/QUOTE]

yeah everyone takes it way too seriously, i mean its not always about what your thinking of. Iron Maiden's song the number of the beast was about a dream Steve Harris had. Guys dont worry too much about lyrics, they are just words.

I don't think anybody is worried.. It's just interesting to try to get into Maynards mind I guess :)

ok no worries:thumb:

WOW i just listened to the Lateralus cd in the alternate order

its mind blowing its almost as if the whole cd is a long story....
you guys gotta try this

if you want an mp3 of it, i made one with cool edit and made the endings flow alot better

AIM: Luke is c000l

the "0"s are zeros

"Got a kick for a dog
Beggin' for Love
I gotta have my suffering
So that I can have my cross
I know a cat named Easter
He says will you ever learn
You're just an empty cage girl
If you kill the bird
I've been looking for a savior in these dirty streets
looking for a savior beneath these dirty sheets
I've been raising up my hands
Drive another nail in
Got enough guilt to start
my own religion
Please be
Save me
I cry"

[URL=http://www.vanillacircus.net/book/tool_book.pdf]TOOL: A Book of Interpretations[/URL]

[URL=http://www.toolpantheon.com/lateralus_meanings.htm]Lateralus & The Qabala[/URL]

[URL=http://www.jonathonart.com/que-l.html]Parsival's Lament[/URL]

Hey guys, what is the song order that you listen to Lateralus with that tells a story? Just list the tracks in that order.

parabol
parabola
schism
ticks & leeches
mantra
lateralus
faaip de oaid
grudge
triad
eon blue apocolypse
reflection
patient
disposition

story?

saturn ascends

the arrival of planet X...

[QUOTE=conciousuniverse]the arrival of planet X...[/QUOTE]

Say again?

Anyway, the alternate order is truly magic. The Patient fits in SO MUCH BETTER, and I'm amazed at how Schism goes into Ticks & Leeches!

Truly the greatest album ever *until the new one.

[QUOTE=Street Spirit (Fade Out)]Real good band, aren't there only two people in it?[/QUOTE]


Yeah on guy does vocals and guitars and one dude on drums.

i second that, werny

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