[QUOTE=joas]nah, i would have normally figured it out but knowing your chord subs makes it real quick to figure out because then you know what extensions youre adding and then just subtract the shi thats already gone

but yeah for Ab i know it pretty well so pretty much got it[/QUOTE]


is this a partial exageration so i hate you less, or a partial exageration so i hate you more? :lol:

[QUOTE=Kurrpt]i can understand that, but you could easily say that to the jazz head, or classic rock person that feels theres no need to broaden their horizons[/QUOTE]


I see where you're coming from, any form of close-mindedness os pretty damn ****ty anyway, but I just have a thing against metalheads.


not the music, just the people.

[QUOTE=Kurrpt]i find that utterly impossible to believe. I dont think anyone initially gravitates towards METAL music. For me, it was a progression FROM blues/classic rock/grunge. Im no "metal head", but i just see your rationale as a generalization, which leads me to believe you are the subject of your own criticism[/QUOTE]

it's true though

close minded metal heads usually end up being the most annoying (and least knowledgeable) out of all the genre exclusivists

look at this forum or the r&m forum if you want evidence

i cant say ive ever met any of these "types" in real life. Maybe its just a phenomena that occurs on the internets

i hate people that hate the music i adore
sometimes

[QUOTE=Kurrpt]i cant say ive ever met any of these "types" in real life. Maybe its just a phenomena that occurs on the internets[/QUOTE]

i've met plenty in real life

damn they are annoying

[QUOTE=Atman]it's true though

close minded metal heads usually end up being the most annoying (and least knowledgeable) out of all the genre exclusivists

look at this forum or the r&m forum if you want evidence[/QUOTE]


maybe i choose not to see it, I'm not sure. I can understand why it may seem like the forums are over ran with that sort of mentality, but come on. They have to be exposed to music outside that small realm they call "metal". Its not like they came out of their mom's vag, holding a megadeath album in their hands.

[QUOTE=Noonward]i hate people that hate the music i adore
sometimes[/QUOTE]


:lol:



eggo : Maybe it's because i see no reason to go out anymore, and im only exposed to a small microcosm of people on a regular basis. The yuppies around here are into top 100 style rock and rap/r&b. Metal hasn't seem to even touch these parts

[quote=Atman]it's true though

close minded metal heads usually end up being the most annoying (and least knowledgeable) out of all the genre exclusivists

look at this forum or the r&m forum if you want evidence[/quote]

Truth.

I have unfortunatly met people like this, and yeah, they're complete [SIZE=2]wan[/SIZE]kers.

Elton John's guitarist waved at me on saturday :thumb:

[QUOTE=Kurrpt]is this a partial exageration so i hate you less, or a partial exageration so i hate you more? :lol:[/QUOTE]


well here is how you break it down (or how a great guy in town has for me and i like the thinking)

music is V and I

V consists, in Ab, of Bbm7 DbM7 Eb7 and Gm7b5

I consists of AbM7, Cm7, Fm7

the reason this is mainly is due to the tritone interval in the V chord blah blah blah, on that rational, Eb7 is spelled Eb G Bb Db

subs are Bbm7 (Bb Db F Ab - Eb7 (no root but thats ok because thats the bass' job) with the 11th, Ab, and 9th, F, in it-- you can easily change it to Bbm6 (Bb Db F G) to get the tritone sound and keep the ninth extension

that is one example, but to keep myself from blah, DbM7 has C which is the 6th or 13th as an extension of Eb7, and Gm7b5 has F or the 9th

for I its similar, just Cm7 adds the 2nd/9th and Fm7 adds the 6th/13th

if youre going on inversions, you could use 5 of Ab (Eb again from above) but wouldnt want to include the 7th of Eb because then it sounds like Eb11 instead of the "home base" chord


blahblahblahblahblahblah tension release tension release

to the people that have met these metal-head wankers....


do you think these people are born arse-holes, and naturally gravitated towards metal, making them metal-head wankers, or do you think its a learned ability from being exposed to other metal-head wankers?

Elton John pointed at me aswell.

[QUOTE=Kurrpt]maybe i choose not to see it, I'm not sure. I can understand why it may seem like the forums are over ran with that sort of mentality, but come on. They have to be exposed to music outside that small realm they call "metal". Its not like they came out of their mom's vag, holding a megadeath album in their hands.[/QUOTE]

if there is any exception to their closemindedness it is merely superficial and irrelevant

like the kid who says he plays a little bit of jazzy blues along with slayer and cob

[QUOTE=Atman]if there is any exception to their closemindedness it is merely superficial and irrelevant

like the kid who says he plays a little bit of jazzy blues along with slayer and cob[/QUOTE]


lmoa i lobe that shi man i know exactly what you mean


its like half this forum probably

sup guys

wow an intelligent discussion in this thread

ok joas I got to the subs bit then got lost

I can handle the V and I bit as I had that bit explained basically as chords that contain the 4 and ones that don't

could you expand more on the substitution bit

Me and my friend were a couple feet away from Elton John at one point aswell.

i learned one CoB song if that counts :lol:


i only listen to about 5 "metal" bands. I find the rest bland and un-inspiring

[QUOTE=joas]lmoa i lobe that shi man i know exactly what you mean


its like half this forum probably[/QUOTE]

it kills me every time i see or hear it

personally i'd rather have them be honest

it might not be something i can respect, but at least it isn't as yellow bellied

[QUOTE=evilnomore]Elton John pointed at me aswell.[/QUOTE]


should have asked the man for a back stage pass :naughty:


Speaking of backstage passes, when i saw Symphony X, and got them to sign my CD booklet, apparently they were all staring at my girl. I guess when you go to a show called GIGANTOUR, and see a bunch of nasty guys in all black, a fair dame looks pretty appealing...

anywho, my girl was trying to say that she could go back stage. She wanted me to bet her 100 bucks that she could allow her to go back stage. I was like "wait.... i give you 100 bucks, and you go back stage? Does that mean i can come too?" She explained to me the impossibility of the situation. I told her there was nothing in it for me

well knowing general voicings are key to be able to understand how it works as well as a multi track or something like that to be able to hear it yourself

but i broke it down like that when other people like joe pass consider it ii V I (the big progression in jazz music in general)


typical subs for again lets take Ab

V chords (ii is like an expansion almost on this, to create more movement)

ii is Bbm7 (Bb Db F Ab), the most common sub being probably the IV or DbM7 (Db F Ab C), because this just extends it to the ninth which is a pretty safe tone most of the time when comping for other people in a tune

the reason you dont have to play still Bb in this instance is because if that's the chord everyone's on, and your bass player is worth a f[size=2]u[/size]ck, then its already being played by the bass (not enough horn players listen to the bass for the chord progression, or thats what ive dealt with but whatever), so you can keep the key tones (3rd and 7th of Bb -- Db and Ab) while adding extensions (so C here from the DbM7)

for V probably the most common is the viib5 (cant do the half dim symbol whatever), because of the same logic above (youre just adding the 9th, F, to the V chord, Eb7 or Eb G Bb Db)

you kind of need to know more basic stuff first, not that im sayin you dont but if you dont get this it might be helpful to check out those music theory sites everyone goes to on here to BULK UP on that music theory or whatever

[QUOTE=Atman]it kills me every time i see or hear it

personally i'd rather have them be honest

it might not be something i can respect, but at least it isn't as yellow bellied[/QUOTE]


lol hey guys check out this blues progression that i improvd over i did in e you may remember this chord from a famous dude but I LIKE IT


x
8
7
6
7
0

ROCK ON dudes

You guys think this would actually work as an attenuator??

[url]http://cgi.ebay.com/VOLUMEBOX-FOR-PEAVEY-DELTA-BLUES-CLASSIC-30-50-212-5150_W0QQitemZ7424098405QQihZ016QQcategoryZ38076QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem[/url]

My best friend has become an attention whore and has let an emo boyfriend ruin her life. She refuses to let anyone help.

I'm about to give up.

I used to know this guy who was PURELY into brutal death metal. He wouldn't listen to it if it wasn't death metal, and seriously wouldn't even CONSIDER anything else.

But, I don't really see that much of a problem with people playing a bit of jazzy blues along with slayer, it at least shows a bit of diversity, althought superficial. It kinda shows a bit of interest in the style. Still, like you say Eggo, it is a bit annoying if it's only just superficial to try and pretend to be diverse.

I've kinda moved away from metal a bit more into prog and fusion after being into death metal for a while, partially because there's way more diversity in those genres.

[QUOTE=Kurrpt]should have asked the man for a back stage pass :naughty:


Speaking of backstage passes, when i saw Symphony X, and got them to sign my CD booklet, apparently they were all staring at my girl. I guess when you go to a show called GIGANTOUR, and see a bunch of nasty guys in all black, a fair dame looks pretty appealing...

anywho, my girl was trying to say that she could go back stage. She wanted me to bet her 100 bucks that she could allow her to go back stage. I was like "wait.... i give you 100 bucks, and you go back stage? Does that mean i can come too?" She explained to me the impossibility of the situation. I told her there was nothing in it for me[/QUOTE]


I asked him for one of those civil agreement thingys.


Then I'd get all the backstage passes I want :)




did you know that his guitarist is actually incredible?

[QUOTE=The_Mop]I used to know this guy who was PURELY into brutal death metal. He wouldn't listen to it if it wasn't death metal, and seriously wouldn't even CONSIDER anything else.

But, I don't really see that much of a problem with people playing a bit of jazzy blues along with slayer, it at least shows a bit of diversity, althought superficial. It kinda shows a bit of interest in the style. Still, like you say Eggo, it is a bit annoying if it's only just superficial to try and pretend to be diverse.

I've kinda moved away from metal a bit more into prog and fusion.[/QUOTE]

i'm only talking about the false pretenders

and it's pretty obvious when that is the case when they use terms like "jazzy blues"

Has anyone ever typed 'slutnik music' or 'spunknik music'?

I have :(



Stfu ego, I love jazzyblues.

[QUOTE=Abu-Abu]You guys think this would actually work as an attenuator??

[url]http://cgi.ebay.com/VOLUMEBOX-FOR-PEAVEY-DELTA-BLUES-CLASSIC-30-50-212-5150_W0QQitemZ7424098405QQihZ016QQcategoryZ38076QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem[/url][/QUOTE]
Just bringing it to the next page. :thumb:

Anyways, update on my guitar project.

I told my mom her paying money for me not to use that guitar is dumb, and she offered to pay more, so I think I'll get a used guitar on eBay, and kick in a bit of money, and use it or one of my guitars I own already for the project. If she lets me that is, she is trying to say she'll only help pay if it's parts, dunno for sure yet.

im not even sure what "jazzy blues" is :lol:

slutnik....nope. I just went into there for like the 3rd time today

Diversity is one of the greatest things about the guitar.

[QUOTE=Nihongo]My best friend has become an attention whore and has let an emo boyfriend ruin her life. She refuses to let anyone help.

I'm about to give up.[/QUOTE]
bump

[QUOTE=AG]Has anyone ever typed 'slutnik music' or 'spunknik music'?

I have :(



Stfu ego, I love jazzyblues.[/QUOTE]


i still use the musicianforums.com link. haha.

jazzy blues is seriously the dumbest thing ive ever heard of

like how does that even work in the sense people use it?

[QUOTE=Meatplow]Diversity is one of the greatest things about the guitar.[/QUOTE]

music*

Good point.
To Joas.

i was going to put that too, amit

hm

[QUOTE=Nihongo]bump[/QUOTE]


i find it impossible to believe that any teenager can consider their life ruined. In the scheme of things, the person hasn't even begun to live, let alone ruin a life. Like you said, attension grabby whore.


I would recommend myspace. I'm sure she'll find acceptance there

She was my best friend though...

[QUOTE=joas]jazzy blues is seriously the dumbest thing ive ever heard of

like how does that even work in the sense people use it?[/QUOTE]


some kid was trying to tell me blues couldnt be played past a certain speed the other day. I prefer that they ramble for a while, just for my amusement