...OH!!! Yeah, I get it. I felt bad being a floyd fan and not knowing that.

I love that part now. I used to think it was a waste of time though.

It really doesn't help the argument that all they do is make crazy sound effects rather than music. Because even though the rest of the song is awesome that bit is just crazy effects.

In an unrelated topic I finally listened to Final Cut today. I found it incredibly boring, except for the title track, gunners dream and not now john. Apart from not now john and the very few guitar solo's the album just felt like poetry on an audio book. Don't get me wrong the lyrics are up to Roger's usual high standard but the music itself started to sound all the same.

Yeah, I think that's what most people find wrong with it. Final Cut was my third album by them, so I really like it.

[QUOTE=rippa32;13747342]Its the interlude about halfway in the song. You know the one that makes you think that if theyd taken it out there might have been room on the album for another song.[/QUOTE]

It kinda annoys me when my friends say 'Oh yeah I dont like Echoes, there's just nothing going on'. It is all about creating a general theme and getting you into a certain mindset (i.e. Giving the listener the impression that they are in space, or under the ocean for some) ... it aggrivates me when people cant respect Floyd for their moments of 'ambience' (is that the word?).

In my eyes, that's just the icing on the cake that makes them [I]perfection[/I]

Yeah, I definitely agree with that. And yes, I think it is ambience

Echos is epic. I love that song.
I like to see the Pompeii performance even more than the studio version all the time.

[QUOTE]I`m am you and what you see is me[/QUOTE]

I'm listening to Meddle right now. Echoes, Fearless, A Pillow of Winds, it's all great.

I like the way they do experimentalism more on A Saucerful of Secrets (at least live, the studio version is pretty boring) than on Echoes. That's probably because there's drumming going on though, I love experimental music when it incorporates percussion, so that it has a beat or groove under it.

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For me it's always worth it to listen to the whales having sex part in order to get through to the other side. Because when they come back in and start building up the song gets incredible. It's the dynamics of the part that in the song which make it so interesting.

It's such a sudden change for when they go back to the vocals at that part, it's so awesome imo.

Gilmour's guitar interlude or whatever you call it is what makes it for me.

Ive actually heard the Pompeii version and much prefer it. I can see what you mean by adding ambience but when its only whales and no other music it seems rather pointless and in the case of echoes long. Not that Im against long songs, its that particular bit goes on for a bit.

btw Are you sure it's whales having sex? I just assumed plain old whale noises.

I think I prefer the live at Pompeii version of every song...even the ones they didn't do...that's how great it is.

It's not necessarily whales having sex. I think Gilmour was just making creepy noises with his wah pedal, and we've just likened it to whales having sex.

I prefer the Live At Pompeii version also. The solo is sooo good.

I think I'll for the DVD of The Wall and Live At Pompeii for Christmas, or else I'll get one myself.

[QUOTE=magicbus;13758971]It's not necessarily whales having sex. I think Gilmour was just making creepy noises with his wah pedal, and we've just likened it to whales having sex.

I prefer the Live At Pompeii version also. The solo is sooo good.[/QUOTE]

His wah pedal? Really? I always thought it was pre recorded whale noises. Im going to have to listen to echoes again now.

Yea it's all wah. He switched the input and output cables going to his wah and he got a weird high pitched squealy noise.

My roommate and I were doing it last time we jammed. You can change the squeal with the volume knob and pickup selector.

[quote=magicbus;13759869]Yea it's all wah. He switched the input and output cables going to his wah and he got a weird high pitched squealy noise.

My roommate and I were doing it last time we jammed. You can change the squeal with the volume knob and pickup selector.[/quote]

Oh yeah, it is wah. I remember reading that in the floyd biography. :)

[QUOTE=magicbus;13759869]Yea it's all wah. He switched the input and output cables going to his wah and he got a weird high pitched squealy noise.

My roommate and I were doing it last time we jammed. You can change the squeal with the volume knob and pickup selector.[/QUOTE]

So what do you mean? The output from you're guitar into the output of the wah?

You plug your guitar cable into the wah's output jack, and the cable from your amp into the wah's input jack, as opposed to switched around (the way it is supposed to go).

My roommate has a Vox wah pedal, but my Dunlop Crybaby Classic didn't do it, so that might play a part in it too.

[QUOTE=magicbus;13763224]You plug your guitar cable into the wah's output jack, and the cable from your amp into the wah's input jack, as opposed to switched around (the way it is supposed to go).

My roommate has a Vox wah pedal, but my Dunlop Crybaby Classic didn't do it, so that might play a part in it too.[/QUOTE]

I know it probably wouldn't happen, but for some reason I'd be afraid of getting electrocuted or something.:(

Lucky for us David Gilmour isn't a little bitch.

:p

[QUOTE=Lunch;13766013]Lucky for us David Gilmour isn't a little bitch.

:p[/QUOTE]

:eek:

:upset:

I'll stick with trusty low-risk drums.:)

Edit: That's it, no more RMOTM nominations/votes for you!

Fine, I never win anyway!

/crying

I decided today that Echoes was easily one of the greatest songs of all time. And I know this is controversial ITT or whatever, but it really is (one of) my favorite song to be fu[SIZE="2"]ck[/SIZE]ed up to. Just perfect.

I played along with Echoes today. What an awesome jam. I mean I was playing perfectly.

Mmm actually thats a damn good idea. Itd be easier if there was a way to remove Gimours lead guitar out of it first so you're not competing with it.

Yea that would be cool. I could probably find a backing track somewhere.

I like Echoes, and I can see why it stands out, being 23 minutes and fairly epic in nature, but I don't think it's necessarily Floyd's best. It is good though. [size=1]Careful With That Axe, Eugene is better.[/size]