thanks so much!

It's probably been asked before but this is the scenario that has come up for me...

I fired my singer becuase he has stopped showing up to practice for a while. I was thinking maybe I should give singing a shot, but I don't know how confident I am in my abilities. I have to sing in music theory class and I usually do pretty well hitting the pitches. My band is a Power Metal band and I think hitting pitches is only going to be half the game to good vocals in that sort of setting. I'm going to need to learn how to have a good voice, maybe get into doing vibrato, and I don't even know where to start. Anyone have any tips?

I Need Serious Help!!!
 

Ok, so I'm the screamer in my band thats just getting started. I'm sure you've prolly talkabout this stuff a thousand times in this post but thats alot of readin for a college kid! lol. I need some serious help with my screaming though. I was practicing tonight and my voice was getting soar, not unexpected for 1 not warming up and going ****ing insane and not knowing the proper way to scream. But then halfway through practice my back started killing me everytime i screamed. Like my kidneys were going to burst!!! This i know is a huge problem so I did some searching and this site came up! If you guys could some up the jist of what I should do and what serious things im doing wrong i would love to know!!! We got a gig coming up and i don't wanna die before or during it!! My band has a pure volume site where you can hear my attempts at screaming. Worst Love song don't listen to cuz thats not how i really scream. If you listen to the chorus of stiletto to the heart you'll hear me. [url]www.purevolume.com/armsofanother[/url]
I really need help cuz our gig is coming soon!!!! So a summary and a bunch of pointers will really help!!! THANKS!!!

could be very very possible that you pulled a muscle in your back or an intercostal connective muscle underneath. You really dont need much push when doing ANY type of vocal sound. You should be able to do ANY vocal sound with 50% of your push. Sorry, but anything worth having is worth working for. So this is the best summary I'm willing to give before bedtime. .. --->[url]http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=219911[/url]

Hey Merk,

I've noticed that ever sense I've started doing punk vocals, I can't hardcore scream like I used to. When I try, it doesn't as good as it used to, and even that only lasted for about 2 minutes. Back when singing and hardcore was all I did, I could scream for about 30 minutes straight.. now I'm going faint after a minute and a half. Is this because of the punk vocals? If so, how can I do punk vocals "correctly" so I don't damage my voice further? Right now I'm just doing the whole yelling, and don't give a **** kind of thing.. what should I be doing? And also, how can I get my hardcore voice back? Cause my bands wants me to do punk type stuff, but scream too. [Kinda like leftover crack kinda stuff.] Thanks much.

[QUOTE=wkd]Hey Merk,

I've noticed that ever sense I've started doing punk vocals, I can't hardcore scream like I used to. When I try, it doesn't as good as it used to, and even that only lasted for about 2 minutes. Back when singing and hardcore was all I did, I could scream for about 30 minutes straight.. now I'm going faint after a minute and a half. Is this because of the punk vocals? If so, how can I do punk vocals "correctly" so I don't damage my voice further? Right now I'm just doing the whole yelling, and don't give a **** kind of thing.. what should I be doing? And also, how can I get my hardcore voice back? Cause my bands wants me to do punk type stuff, but scream too. [Kinda like leftover crack kinda stuff.] Thanks much.[/QUOTE]
I dont know cause I'm not into punk, but I'm thinking that most of it is usually full voice or close, with more tension placed on the cords to achieve a somewhat cleaner sound, relatively that is, to the usually raspy hardcore stuff. If you try to use this same amount of tension with hardcore raspy I think that will be detrimental to your stamina and general cord movement. I would say you should try to do some falsetto singing and barely rasp it so that you can get into a less tense larynx position. Maybe try to sing a hardcore song without rasp, but in falsetto if its high enough. Basically I'm thinking youre probably trying to sing in the wrong register, trying to stretch your chest voice up into head voice territory due to the previous punk head voice. Just my hunch. There's really no way of telling. Its not like there are any technical aspects to discuss about hardcore or punk. They can be so unorthodoxed to begin with.

[quote]I have a simple issue. I would like to make my voice project better and be more powerful. I have an alright singing voice but have problems projecting. This is pretty odd because back before my voice broke I sung for a Queen's Chapel and pretty much filled the place with my voice which was just naturally powerful. Now, I'd really like to try and make it that good again.

Is it just practice or do certain exercises help?[/quote]

I'm going to restate my question as noone's answered it.

Im working a Metallica styled voice. I have the rasp and stuff sounding okay i guess. Is there any precautions that I need to take. I can scream Metallica style fine and my voice feels normal afterwords. Just do proper warmups or should I do some extra stuff?

[QUOTE=deathscreamingsheep]I'm going to restate my question as noone's answered it.[/QUOTE]Voice broke? What do you mean? You may need to see a specialist as you may have some damage.

Heh... no I just mean back when I was about 14 and was a treble I had a stupidly powerful voice (and I mean stupidly powerful). Now nearly four years on my cracking teenage voice has completely settled and I'm looking to retrain to sing for my band. But now I seem to have hardly any power at all.

[QUOTE=Subete]Anyone know how to death growl like mikael from opeth? I can try and do it, but i run out of breath on the sustained screams and i can't get my voice low enough or as clear as he does. Is their a technique for death growling?[/QUOTE]
I'm interested in this, too. Does anyone know an answer?
This doesnt sound like falsetto at all.

[QUOTE=deathscreamingsheep]Heh... no I just mean back when I was about 14 and was a treble I had a stupidly powerful voice (and I mean stupidly powerful). Now nearly four years on my cracking teenage voice has completely settled and I'm looking to retrain to sing for my band. But now I seem to have hardly any power at all.[/QUOTE]
Oh thats just puberty and the growth spurt. It makes your larynx grow as well...which will make your sound system get a bit deeper, ala the typical "becoming a male" thing when the voice starts to deepen and change. Not much you can do about it. Actually there's absolutely nothing you can do. Your register will change because your setup changes. But that change can end up making you stronger, especially if you were strong to begin with. You could be trying things in the wrong voice/register. You might not be able to hit the same notes and this could be limiiting you with tension if you try to hit the same ones with the same punch. You may have just incorrect techniques now from trying to accomodate for the changes.

[QUOTE=GrandMagus]I'm interested in this, too. Does anyone know an answer?
This doesnt sound like falsetto at all.[/QUOTE]
Can anyone post a sample? I'm not familiar, right off the bat. But from what I remember its just a real throaty rasp probably in head or lower. Probably not falsetto. Probably blocked off so much that its more like a pressurized grunt, like youre taking a hard dump, with pressure from the diaphragm like crazy. The key is to being able to build up the pressure behind the closed cords false cords right before you activate them for sound, all the while keeping the throat relaxed. (Though it is best to do them at the same time, which in such a screaming nature would take some time and strength.) I'll hold off anymore comments to I hear a sample. I'm on dialup usually so, just a sample, not a whole song. (unless I ask for it later after liking it alot!)

Cookie monster vocals the easy way?....
 

is their a way to use electronics effects such as distortion pedals commonly used by guitarist to filter my voice to have cookie monster vocals (a voice like cradle of filth; intelligible amount of scream in voice).

Thanks for your reply in advance :wave:

Gr3g

Hi everyone.
Until a few weeks ago i had great problems singing through the break area between chest/head voice and falsetto. (I don't really get the difference between chest and head voice. But i can live well with that lack of knowledge ;) )
I got around this problem with tons of portamentoes every morning and relaxing and that stuff. Mark Baxter's book "The Rock'n'Roll singers survival manual" helped me a lot with this.

But, who wants a song only consisting of vowels??? :)
When it comes to singing [U]with lyrics[/U] there is a problem left: When i sing words that contain a "g" or "k" (like in "goal" or "ketchup") my larynx moves up for these consonants.

Question: Is that normal?

This disturbs my tone when singing in my weak area between the registers. However, when singing at very low volume this works ok. So I think problems will go away with yet a little more training.

But, can (and should) I keep the larynx from moving with g and k?
If yes, how?

I don't know that much but from what I know your larynx should be stable even when you're going to higher registers, and I don't think it's normal for it to rise when you're pronouncing consonants (at least mine doesn't). The difference between chest voice and head voice is that head voice is simply higher (your vocal cords zip up to at least 1/2 of their original length and therefore produce higher notes). When your voice breaks it's because your simple stretching your vocal chords to reach higher notes instead of zipping them up.

As for a way to prevent your larynx from moving, I only know some exercises to hold your larynx in the same position when you go into higher register, I dunno if that should help you with the consonants thing; I'm not qualified to answer this question.

Try to exercise your voice on vowels that encourage the larynx to stay rested. Gug and Goog are good to use to keep it down. Just do 5 tone scales on those vowels and keep your finger rested on your larynx to monitor its rising. It's ok for it to move a bit; its impossible to keep it from ever moving. But if its so high up that your throat is closing up or like your problem of pronouncing certain consonants its a problem.

Also, sometimes speaking or even singing in a voice like Yogi Bear works too. I know that sounds retarded but its taught by vocal coach Roger Love and it works real well for some people so its worth a try. It worked for me

[QUOTE=GrandMagus]Hi everyone.
Until a few weeks ago i had great problems singing through the break area between chest/head voice and falsetto. (I don't really get the difference between chest and head voice. But i can live well with that lack of knowledge ;) )
I got around this problem with tons of portamentoes every morning and relaxing and that stuff. Mark Baxter's book "The Rock'n'Roll singers survival manual" helped me a lot with this.

But, who wants a song only consisting of vowels??? :)
When it comes to singing [U]with lyrics[/U] there is a problem left: When i sing words that contain a "g" or "k" (like in "goal" or "ketchup") my larynx moves up for these consonants.

Question: Is that normal?

This disturbs my tone when singing in my weak area between the registers. However, when singing at very low volume this works ok. So I think problems will go away with yet a little more training.

But, can (and should) I keep the larynx from moving with g and k?
If yes, how?[/QUOTE]
Thats just a textbook example of tension and not being able to isolate the throat from the cords. No Consonant should make your larynx rise.

Head voice is just your true voice, in your highest range. The cords are thinner and the sound has more of a ring to it. No big deal...just your higher end before falsetto.

You can do operatic sounding practice with lower Oh's, Oohs, and Ahs. When youre really low I know you can keep your larynx low, so pay attention to the feel, and try to relax as much as possible. But yes, the larynx will rise a bit but it shouldnt jump up and lock up high like in swallowing. And remember that the cords are horizontal and stretching horizontally. This really helped me understand more of how to keep my larynx down. Feel more of opening up and back......kinda.

I heard slippery elm really helps comfort your throat during sing. Has anyone tried this? and does it work?

Please tell me and if it does work, can someone say when to consume it? Like once a week? Or before every show?

i know smoking is bad for your voice but how bad is it when your excersising and doing excersise and warm-ups everyday? I have a couple friends who were wondering this

[QUOTE=Merkaba]----snip----
But yes, the larynx will rise a bit but it shouldnt jump up and lock up high like in swallowing.
----snip----[/QUOTE]
Thanks Merkaba!
I just decided to define these words the key phrase of your post. ;)
I mean.... I'm talking about lets say 0.5 cm. (uhm... i guess thats about 1/5 inch)
And my larynx does not lock up. It comes down again just after the "explosive" g/k sound.

[QUOTE=Screamin_Demon_Auz]----snip----
Also, sometimes speaking or even singing in a voice like Yogi Bear works too.
----snip----[/QUOTE]
Interesting hint.
Anyone got an idea where to download a Yogi bear sample in English language? You're talking about the English language version, aren't you?

Yeah English language. It's just kind of a deep and hollow sound. Singing on the OO vowel (as in food) and making it a point to keep it real deep and hollow helps too. Make sure your jaws down quite a bit to get the hollow tone.

Sry If I ask again but noone replied
 

Is their any way to use electronics effects to get a heavy metal voice (unintellible rapsy voice "cookie monster" vocals)? and save my vocal chords lol

[QUOTE=Gr3g]Is their any way to use electronics effects to get a heavy metal voice (unintellible rapsy voice "cookie monster" vocals)? and save my vocal chords lol[/QUOTE]
I'm sure. But I dont know of any. Besides...what if your gear gives out or freaks or something, then what, cancel the show or sound like shlt?

If you develop proper technique youre not gonna blow your cords but you do have to work at it. The raspiness comes from the false cords,glottis area. Kinda like you were gonna throw up. Feel that glottal area. When you get better at it you can use less and less pressure.

Get melissa Cross's dvd if you havent. Its good for metal type vocals. But I say you will get stronger and stronger if you do more clean voice singing and develop the musculature and control and flexibility you need to keep full -voice -clean- note tension on the cords.

Lets remember to warm up thoroughly too and keep nutrition in mind. and warm down.

[QUOTE=Hodl pu]I heard slippery elm really helps comfort your throat during sing. Has anyone tried this? and does it work?

Please tell me and if it does work, can someone say when to consume it? Like once a week? Or before every show?[/QUOTE]
I used to get it alot at the local health food store. They were flavored drops, a bit slippery(imagine that), not bad tasting but still a bit chalky in texture, and supposedly,per the box and illustration, hailed by opera singers since (insert very old date here).

I notice nothing at all. And if anything it will help with the throat area's general feel, and not the cords'.

By far staying hydrated and proper nutrition will reap you way more benefits. There are no gimmics or magic bullets. If you want bigger legs, you gotta workem out, stay hydrated, get plenty of rest, and proper nutrition. If you want to increase your 40 yard dash time, etc, etc. I think the biggest problem for most people is getting enough of a vocal workout and just general practice. If youre not a natural at it, then you have to practice that much more. I'm an old fogey so I've been driving for a while, but for most people, a car is priceless for vocal development. I've got a 2003 with 63000 miles on it. I guarantee you that at least 20,000 of em were not necessary to my destinations and were extra due to some type of singing work or play.

P.s. I will be seeing Circa Survive March 26 in Charlotte. Nice Band. Can't wait. I've been using him to stretch my head and I must say it is helping. Tiring...but helping. Anthony has a very light feminine structure. I bet he's a high tenor if not a freak male alto or something. He never even resolves or finishes with anything low in his voices finishing tones. I bet he CAN't sing low. ...like when a baritone sings high you can tell usually that he's trying to sing high because he will finish many passages with a lower, deeper, darker background. Hard to hear sometimes but listen to how someone finishes a note or word.

[QUOTE=Azraelscross]i know smoking is bad for your voice but how bad is it when your excersising and doing excersise and warm-ups everyday? I have a couple friends who were wondering this[/QUOTE]
general and or vocal exercise....

Its a no brainer.

It puts a load on your heart like when you put a load on a battery. Exercise puts a load on it as well. Put too many loads on any circuit and what ya get?

As far as vocals go....its simply burning and ripping your cords and thin edges(head voice) every, not most of the time, every time! Cigs have the added fiberglass to cut your lungs and increase absorption rate, so that just helps the cords fry as well. Joints and blunts are unfiltered and allow three or more times as much resin and particles to hit and burn everything in its path. So its no better.

There is noone gaining anything from smoking, regardless of what they say, think, or shoot for. Even the raspiest voice can easily be produced with technique, leaving the option for a clean voice when applicable. I smoke a cigar from time to time, but its greatly decreased since I got a cold the last two times I smoked. The second time was strep throat. Lucky It didnt affect my cords and i sang everyday right through it.

again....a no brainer all the way around

I have a question, when Kurt Cobain screams ie "yeah yeah" from lithium or "Here we are now, entertain us" from smells like teen spirit, is that actually screaming? or what is it?

.............
....and how do i do it?? :)
yes ive read everything on screaming i could find, i cant seem to work out how to do it without pain. is it supposed to feel like that "ANK" buzzer sound you can make?

Some people would call it screaming, some would call it shouting.

If you can make the ank, you can do this sound. Just try to sing that part at the same octave that you can make the ank. Then move it up a note til youre in his pitch. I'm sure he was in or around head voice alot. So this is where the glissing exercises come in handy. Be sure you sing the note first or else you might tense up the throat. Try to sing the passage first, cleanly.

[QUOTE=Merkaba]
general and or vocal exercise....

Its a no brainer.

It puts a load on your heart like when you put a load on a battery. Exercise puts a load on it as well. Put too many loads on any circuit and what ya get?

As far as vocals go....its simply burning and ripping your cords and thin edges(head voice) every, not most of the time, every time! Cigs have the added fiberglass to cut your lungs and increase absorption rate, so that just helps the cords fry as well. Joints and blunts are unfiltered and allow three or more times as much resin and particles to hit and burn everything in its path. So its no better.

There is noone gaining anything from smoking, regardless of what they say, think, or shoot for. Even the raspiest voice can easily be produced with technique, leaving the option for a clean voice when applicable. I smoke a cigar from time to time, but its greatly decreased since I got a cold the last two times I smoked. The second time was strep throat. Lucky It didnt affect my cords and i sang everyday right through it.

again....a no brainer all the way around[/QUOTE]
hmm. thought they debunked the bs fiberglass thing a long time ago. the kid smokes like 2-3 a day. Wonder how hyde does it. he still has a beautiful clean voice even after 10 years of singing and smoking

Thanks for that Merkaba, now i am just after some advice, this is me now. im ****ty is there any point in even trying to learn how to sing?
I was probably worried when i sang it and stuff but i dont want to record it again because in that time i would have chickened out and decided not to post it :(

*link edited out because it scares the living bajesus out of me :(*

this is where i run away and hide till i get enough courage to come back.
ps im 17

[QUOTE=Azraelscross]hmm. thought they debunked the bs fiberglass thing a long time ago. the kid smokes like 2-3 a day. Wonder how hyde does it. he still has a beautiful clean voice even after 10 years of singing and smoking[/QUOTE]
Well I dont think its technically called "Fiberglass". Its not like Owens Corning cut in with the stuff. But It doesnt matter.

Some people can do it. Some people eat bacon and burgers everyday and never have a "perceivable" problem. Then again some people get lung cancer at thirty.

Shoot the die.

[QUOTE=Tack]Thanks for that Merkaba, now i am just after some advice, this is me now. im ****ty is there any point in even trying to learn how to sing?
I was probably worried when i sang it and stuff but i dont want to record it again because in that time i would have chickened out and decided not to post it :(

[url]http://s24.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=3V0YB11QEUQ8T041JIK1E974PE[/url]

this is where i run away and hide till i get enough courage to come back.
ps im 17[/QUOTE]
Sounds like you'd have at the least a decent singing voice, If you ever choose to actually sing!

Do motorboats, lip trills, whatever ya wanna call them. Make the motor boat sound so your lips flutter. Like youre making a motorcycle/car sound. You should be able to do this on all vowells in all octaves. And you should be able to hold it for a single note. You should do all vowels and go from your falsetto position down to mid to lower notes and vice versa and everywhere mixing it up. You will be able to feel how you need to shift to keep the air open. As you get the hang of it, learn to pressurize more air to make it louder, while keeping the lips fluttering in a steady trill. It will help you get a feel for "coming from the gut" and holding the pressure behind the cords and lungs with diaphragm control. This is what you need. You have a whole world of new voice waiting for you. Youre not using any gut. Take a bit of a deeper breath as well. Hope this helps.

Heya...

I just started vocal lessons (from a cd) and I have a question in mind. I was doing some exercises last night and I noticed that my voice breaks at the top of my chest voice - start of head voice area but then continues at the top of my head voice. So I can sing high tenor but not low tenor? Is that even normal?

Here's a link to my high tenor notes on an exercise:
[url]http://s12.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=3C9EAEP9NQ49125P8XCNHUZP87[/url]

I'm sure this is not falsetto, cause it doesn't feel like it at all. So my question is, can your voice break then connect somewhere higher?

Thanks

[QUOTE=Surgicalgod]Heya...

I just started vocal lessons (from a cd) and I have a question in mind. I was doing some exercises last night and I noticed that my voice breaks at the top of my chest voice - start of head voice area but then continues at the top of my head voice. So I can sing high tenor but not low tenor? Is that even normal?

Here's a link to my high tenor notes on an exercise:
[url]http://s12.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=3C9EAEP9NQ49125P8XCNHUZP87[/url]

I'm sure this is not falsetto, cause it doesn't feel like it at all. So my question is, can your voice break then connect somewhere higher?

Thanks[/QUOTE]Sounds like your last nays after the second run seems to be a jump into falsetto. If it is its close and has some good resonance for a falsetto note. This would certainly address your concerns. If your voice breaks from chest to head then its just simply tension and or a lack of practice in "flipping" into a thinner head voice. Are you doing any glisses....i.e. one continuous note from low to high, like a siren. and vice versa. It might help. Its fine to go up into falsetto, when rising, or to start off in falsetto when falling while doing glisses.

hahaha, its so hard to understand what singing from the gut feels like, would i be able to tell if im doing it? and how can you hear the difference? ahhh sorry for being so hard to teach. i seached the forums for "singing from the gut" and i went to your voice help hotline and i couldnt find where you say you explain it on pg5. :(

yea, I had some problems with finding it myself aftersomeone did the same search a while ago.

If you can do the lip trills in the way i said you'll get more of a feel for what it is. You have to hold the pressure a bit like you do if you were coughing but you dont do it as quickly. I'm gonna add this post to the singing from the gut topic.

I guess it's just lack of practice, I've only started practicing this week cause I'm a natural singer.

How is head voice supposed to feel like? Cause the exercise I'm doing is supposed to hold your vocal cords preventing them from going into falsetto. I mean i've tried singing in my chest voice then goin into falsetto with this exercise and it doesn't work, but you're saying it sounds like falsetto. Are you entirely sure?

I'll start doing glisses and other exercises daily.

Thanks Merkaba. And by the way is your username just random or are you spiritual?

[QUOTE=Surgicalgod]I guess it's just lack of practice, I've only started practicing this week cause I'm a natural singer.

How is head voice supposed to feel like? Cause the exercise I'm doing is supposed to hold your vocal cords preventing them from going into falsetto. I mean i've tried singing in my chest voice then goin into falsetto with this exercise and it doesn't work, but you're saying it sounds like falsetto. Are you entirely sure?

I'll start doing glisses and other exercises daily.

Thanks Merkaba. And by the way is your username just random or are you spiritual?[/QUOTE]
Well I cant tell ya what head voice feels like except that its true voice...its lighter, naturally...and has a ring to it from the resonance of the higher pitches. There is a buzz in true voice from the cords and the full vibration of them opening and closing in the wave pattern, as opposed to a falsetto, which is open and more or less cutting the air like a knife. As I said, sometimes you cant really tell. It would be better if you did a gliss. Start at a lower note and rise straight up to your ceiling in one continuous slide. Then on a seperate breath, start at your ceiling and slide down. You want to be able to do it smoothly with no interruptions whatsoever. If you have any, youre not transitioning well and there are some tension based technique issues. There will have to be a release, you cant just go up or down over the registers without having to adjust your cord's position. You should feel for this.

And I guess you never saw my Metaphysics,etc thread in the pit before it got accidentally erased last week by a mod when he accidentally erased the whole freaking front page of the pit's forum. I'm very spiritual, and do Merkaba Everyday.

[QUOTE=Surgicalgod]I guess it's just lack of practice, I've only started practicing this week cause I'm a natural singer.

How is head voice supposed to feel like? Cause the exercise I'm doing is supposed to hold your vocal cords preventing them from going into falsetto. I mean i've tried singing in my chest voice then goin into falsetto with this exercise and it doesn't work, but you're saying it sounds like falsetto. Are you entirely sure?

I'll start doing glisses and other exercises daily.

Thanks Merkaba. And by the way is your username just random or are you spiritual?[/QUOTE]
Well I cant tell ya what head voice feels like except that its true voice...its lighter, naturally...and has a ring to it from the resonance of the higher pitches. There is a buzz in true voice from the cords and the full vibration of them opening and closing in the wave pattern, as opposed to a falsetto, which is open and more or less cutting the air like a knife. As I said, sometimes you cant really tell. It would be better if you did a gliss. Start at a lower note and rise straight up to your ceiling in one continuous slide. Then on a seperate breath, start at your ceiling and slide down. You want to be able to do it smoothly with no interruptions whatsoever. If you have any, youre not transitioning well and there are some tension based technique issues. There will have to be a release, you cant just go up or down over the registers without having to adjust your cord's position. You should feel for this.

And I guess you never saw my Metaphysics,etc thread in the pit before it got accidentally erased last week by a mod when he accidentally erased the whole freaking front page of the pit's forum. I'm very spiritual, and do Merkaba Everyday.

[QUOTE=MetalicVampire]Hi,
I'm having problems with screamed vocals. I'm trying to do screams like the band Senses Fail. Specifically on the song "Bite to Break skin" - on the verses really short screams, and at the end theres a whole verse like part screamed. My problem is the only time I can scream is when i whisper it - when I try to raise the volume of my screaming all the "scream" goes away so to speak and it sounds very hollow and my voice sounds really cheesy etc. It's very hard to describe. If you could help it would be awesome. If you add me on msn I will be able to record some voice clips in cubase and send them to you using my Shure SM58. My msn is [email]marc134new@hotmail.com[/email][/QUOTE]

I dont have the time to get personal....its nothing personal. I just do have enough time to make it in here. Most people post a short clip on soundclick or Yousendit. I prefer those two. And I'm on dialup. If you do, post a sample of you plain voice singing as well. Screaming is a matter of throat positioning, not cord positioning. The cords will only open or close. Thats it. You can either help them or hinder them do that...but thats about it.

[QUOTE=Merkaba]
I dont have the time to get personal....its nothing personal. I just do have enough time to make it in here. Most people post a short clip on soundclick or Yousendit. I prefer those two. And I'm on dialup. If you do, post a sample of you plain voice singing as well. Screaming is a matter of throat positioning, not cord positioning. The cords will only open or close. Thats it. You can either help them or hinder them do that...but thats about it.[/QUOTE]

Is there anything in particular you want me to do because I cant really sing heh. Like by not singing I mean I dont know how to hit notes or sing in key.

If you cant scream worth a flip then its probably because you can sing. Most screamers can sing at least decently, probably because its pretty much all in the same.

If you do a sample just start on middle c with a piano or guitar and play the note as you go up continuously with it. Or sing your fave song, it doesnt matter. If your fave is a screaming song, sing it instead.

Thanks for the advice Merkaba. I still need to work alot on my voice and extend my range.

Is this what a gliss supposed to sound like?
[url]http://s30.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0NFP0Z2U022N301TWRNZDUS6FB[/url]

How can i get the black metal sound of screaming?

I can get my voice all raspy and such. Helps. Thanks much.