[QUOTE=imnotamusician]i wouldn't exactly call it garbage, just say the quality went down. both the bass and guitar riffs are still pretty good, the drums aren't that bad, you understand most of what sings davey the first time you hear him either in the old albums or new albums. look at the brightside, theyre not like any other band that have their video constantly playing either on fuse or mtv.[/QUOTE]
the quality didn't go down, the style just changed. They started out as a generic punk band, then did some post-hardcore, then Misfits-style horror punk, and now they're in between the Misfits and the Cure. From a technical viewpoint, the music is at its best. The complexity and diversity is at its highest point thus far. Really, it's not that it's bad music, because the music is very good, but it's just not your style, which is understandable if you're into old punk and not the Cure or other 80s pop stuff and EBM and industrial and synthpop and all that other fun stuff.

[QUOTE=maco]Mohawk didn't have a video, but He Who Laughs Last did.[/QUOTE]


A video for key lime pie would've ruled.

[QUOTE=chairman_of_the_board]A video for key lime pie would've ruled.[/QUOTE]
haha that would've been really odd...i think i might make a mock-vid thing if i can figure out how...

[QUOTE=maco]haha that would've been really odd...i think i might make a mock-vid thing if i can figure out how...[/QUOTE]


Film key lime pie,but have the old original batman style things pop up and say stuff.

i was gonna take a pic of one and have it be like dancing around and having a mouth

[QUOTE=imnotamusician]but they had music videos even when they werent big.
i think they had one for third season and i wanna get a mowhawk.[/QUOTE]
Third Season is a awful video, But a really good song.

what was with the ice cream truck mutiny?

I have no idea, Thats what i didnt like about it. It didnt make any sense at all.

[QUOTE=maco]haha that would've been really odd...i think i might make a mock-vid thing if i can figure out how...[/QUOTE]it could just be 2 minutes of staring at a key lime pie. that would be so artsy.

[QUOTE=maco]what was with the ice cream truck mutiny?[/QUOTE]the guy was charging kids too much money for ice cream because he was a jerk and had some sort of effective monopoly on the ice cream.

but what does that have to do with the song at all? I mean, it's a song about autumn....

[QUOTE=maco]but what does that have to do with the song at all? I mean, it's a song about autumn....[/QUOTE]
it's more about the transition into autumn. the changing of seasons could just as easily be a revolution, speaking figuratively.

i suppose so

I HAD KEY LIME PIE TONIGHT(for thee first time) THANKS TO AFI. It ruled of course.

I'v yet to here any old afi so I won't comment, but probably the thing that makes me loathe them now is their singer. I like my punk lyrics to be be more shouted then sung. They seem to be good musicians but the singer just kills it for me. If their older stuff is sung similar to their new stuff then I'll probably dislike that too.

[QUOTE=ScuzzBucket89]I'v yet to here any old afi so I won't comment, but probably the thing that makes me loathe them now is their singer. I like my punk lyrics to be be more shouted then sung. They seem to be good musicians but the singer just kills it for me. If their older stuff is sung similar to their new stuff then I'll probably dislike that too.[/QUOTE]


I'll upload some.

[QUOTE=chairman_of_the_board]I HAD KEY LIME PIE TONIGHT(for thee first time) THANKS TO AFI. It ruled of course.[/QUOTE]
I bought a key lime pie lollipop cuz of the song one time but i never ate it

[QUOTE=ScuzzBucket89]I'v yet to here any old afi so I won't comment, but probably the thing that makes me loathe them now is their singer. I like my punk lyrics to be be more shouted then sung. They seem to be good musicians but the singer just kills it for me. If their older stuff is sung similar to their new stuff then I'll probably dislike that too.[/QUOTE]
they're heading toward Cure and away from punk. They used to do screaming punk. They even did HC for a while

[QUOTE=ScuzzBucket89]I'v yet to here any old afi so I won't comment, but probably the thing that makes me loathe them now is their singer. I like my punk lyrics to be be more shouted then sung. They seem to be good musicians but the singer just kills it for me. If their older stuff is sung similar to their new stuff then I'll probably dislike that too.[/QUOTE]
[B]Listen to this. [/B]

[URL=http://s24.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=1RXT9V693KM5O1ZN45WKDRCD65 ]AFI-The Prayer Position[/URL]

[QUOTE=maco]the quality didn't go down, the style just changed. They started out as a generic punk band, then did some post-hardcore, then Misfits-style horror punk, and now they're in between the Misfits and the Cure. From a technical viewpoint, the music is at its best. The complexity and diversity is at its highest point thus far. Really, it's not that it's bad music, because the music is very good, but it's just not your style, which is understandable if you're into old punk and not the Cure or other 80s pop stuff and EBM and industrial and synthpop and all that other fun stuff.[/QUOTE]
What?!?!?

I don't get how everyone says they did post-hardcore in the pre-STS days. And I don't get the "horror punk" thing either.

The way I see it, they have been close to hardcore their entire career. Their earlier sound was similar to hardcore in the vein of 7 Seconds. Then they transitioned into a heavier hardcore sound. Then to melodic hardcore as I see it. And now post-hardcore. They may have sung about demons in some of their songs, but I think that in songs such as "The Nephilim" they are actually more symbolic of other things than actual monsters. And certainly they didn't base their lyrics off of horror material which doesn't warrant them the title of "horror punk".

shizzy has it down. i wouldn't consider them horror punk in the least. they covered the misfits a couple times. so did the bouncing souls. they used a little horror punk type imagery. so do most bands, to some extent or another.

but the nephilim aren't monsters, they're real, it says so in the bible dammit.

[QUOTE=cheeser_1]shizzy has it down. i wouldn't consider them horror punk in the least. they covered the misfits a couple times. so did the bouncing souls. they used a little horror punk type imagery. so do most bands, to some extent or another.

but the nephilim aren't monsters, they're real, it says so in the bible dammit.[/QUOTE]
I think in the lyrics in that song express some of Davey's views on drugs, drinking, and why his straight edge-edness. I think he used the nephilim as a symbol, although the nephilim had been created prior to the writing of the song. I don't know what the nephilim is in the bible though. =/

I'm getting a tatoo of the nephilim really soon in between my shoulderblades. Probably in the next week. Whenever I find time.

[QUOTE=El_Shiznit]I think in the lyrics in that song express some of Davey's views on drugs, drinking, and why his straight edge-edness. I think he used the nephilim as a symbol, although the nephilim had been created prior to the writing of the song. I don't know what the nephilim is in the bible though. =/

I'm getting a tatoo of the nephilim really soon in between my shoulderblades. Probably in the next week. Whenever I find time.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nephilim[/url]

If anyone has thier cover of Minor Threats "No Reason" could you please post it. I would appreicate it so much. Thanks.

it may be here [url]http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=349687[/url] but i dont know for sure

Thanks, but I searched and nothing came up. I'm pretty sure it's live.

Dude, are you a ****ing cuke or something. AFI (a finger inside) is nowhere near punk.
They might have had fast beats at one point but the music as a whole was far from the punk attitude given by many great bands such as A Global Threat and Clit 45. Please, never offend our punk scene by brining in such a mainstream band to represent an underground scene.

[QUOTE=AGlobalChaos]Dude, are you a ****ing cuke or something. AFI (a finger inside) is nowhere near punk.
They might have had fast beats at one point but the music as a whole was far from the punk attitude given by many great bands such as A Global Threat and Clit 45. Please, never offend our punk scene by brining in such a mainstream band to represent an underground scene.[/QUOTE]



Shut the fuc[SIZE=2]k[/SIZE] up twat. They were punk at a time.

[QUOTE=AGlobalChaos]Dude, are you a ****ing cuke or something. AFI (a finger inside) is nowhere near punk.
They might have had fast beats at one point but the music as a whole was far from the punk attitude given by many great bands such as A Global Threat and Clit 45. Please, never offend our punk scene by brining in such a mainstream band to represent an underground scene.[/QUOTE]
OMG PUNKCORE TO TEH MAXX PUNXXXX UNTIE!

shut up. get a life. fucking morons.

[QUOTE=cheeser_1]. ****ing morons.[/QUOTE]


what did i do?

Pretty sure he wasn't referring to you, chairman.

[QUOTE=El_Shiznit]What?!?!?

I don't get how everyone says they did post-hardcore in the pre-STS days. And I don't get the "horror punk" thing either.

The way I see it, they have been close to hardcore their entire career. Their earlier sound was similar to hardcore in the vein of 7 Seconds. Then they transitioned into a heavier hardcore sound. Then to melodic hardcore as I see it. And now post-hardcore. They may have sung about demons in some of their songs, but I think that in songs such as "The Nephilim" they are actually more symbolic of other things than actual monsters. And certainly they didn't base their lyrics off of horror material which doesn't warrant them the title of "horror punk".[/QUOTE]
I usually go with:
ATASF-punk
VPOY-punk
SYMAOYE-post-hc (because of timing not necessarily sound)
BSITS-melodic hc
TAOD-melodic hc
STS-halfway between melodic HC and Cure-ish-ness

The "horror punk" thing was in reference to all their Misfits covers (I still cannot *stand* Demonomania) and how some of the stuff on TAOD has that horror thing going on a bit, like in Catch a Hot One and Sacrifice Theory with all the bleeding and gore in the lyrics.

The Nephilim are the children of male angels and female humans. By having relations with humans, those angels fell and the Nephilim are known as the children of fallen angels.

SYMAOYE sounds like a straight up hardcore record to me. By timing, do you mean, the year of release?


I don't understand everyone's beef with "Demonomania". The song owns. Hard. Better than the Misfits version. A hardcore song with less than a minute in length. What more is there to ask?

Yeah the year. Most hardcore is 80s so it's sort of late

And Demonomania is just like "MY FATHER'S A WOLF DEMONOMANIA! DEMONOMANIA! MY MOTHER'S A WHORE! DEMONOMANIA!" over and over and over and over and....you get it

[QUOTE=maco]Yeah the year. Most hardcore is 80s so it's sort of late

And Demonomania is just like "MY FATHER'S A WOLF DEMONOMANIA! DEMONOMANIA! MY MOTHER'S A WHORE! DEMONOMANIA!" over and over and over and over and....you get it[/QUOTE]
Yeah haha. I prefer Misfits version over the AFI version.

I prefer the AFI versions of both that and Halloween.

I agree on Halloween, and I'll add Last Caress (that's a really good cover) but I just don't like Demonomania. Haven't heard the Misfits one yet. My friend Jorgan says it was a bad song to start with.

[QUOTE=maco]Yeah the year. Most hardcore is 80s so it's sort of late

And Demonomania is just like "MY FATHER'S A WOLF DEMONOMANIA! DEMONOMANIA! MY MOTHER'S A WHORE! DEMONOMANIA!" over and over and over and over and....you get it[/QUOTE]
Psh.... I'm listening to Suicide File right now and I gotta say, hardcore is almost as good now as it was in the 80's. Plus, the term "post-hardcore" doesn't refer to the time period. It's a totally different genre with a totally different sound.

And yeah, the lyrics aren't the best. But the song is fun. And the recording for all of the Misfits - Earth A.D. is kind of poor, and Danzig's voice isn't as good on it as the other albums. So I think AFI's version completely blows the original out of the water.

[QUOTE=El_Shiznit]Psh.... I'm listening to Suicide File right now and I gotta say, hardcore is almost as good now as it was in the 80's. Plus, the term "post-hardcore" doesn't refer to the time period. It's a totally different genre with a totally different sound.

And yeah, the lyrics aren't the best. But the song is fun. And the recording for all of the Misfits - Earth A.D. is kind of poor, and Danzig's voice isn't as good on it as the other albums. So I think AFI's version completely blows the original out of the water.[/QUOTE]
ah so sorry. I was under the impression that "post" was in reference to the era

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