zak can play few more fills if he wants but fact remais that when you listen boots from Kenney era they all blow way everything that they have done with Zak.
They sounded and played better with Kenney, no contest what so ever.

[url]http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000B9PW6M/102-0010056-7500920?v=glance&n=130&s=dvd&v=glance[/url]

Anyone see this? Looks interesting, I'll buy it.

[QUOTE=Lunch]Anyone see this? Looks interesting, I'll buy it.[/QUOTE]
Ah man, I had no idea they were coming out with this. And very reasonably priced. I'm really excited about the Quadrophenia disc, as you can imagine. I have an old VHS copy of the Tommy disc. It's good, but I could live without the guest performers. They kind of cheese it up. Townshend plays only acoustic guitar until the encores because of his hearing problems, but he really bangs the crap out of it. He plays really agressively. And loud. The guitar player they brought with them does a good job, I supppose . But he's relegated to playing in the shadows. It's very much Townshends show.

I was hoping they would release something from the Quadrophenia tour of several years ago, and here it is. I went to a show at the L.A. Forum and was bitterly disappointed. Our seats were kind of high up (but not that high) and the volume was very low. For a concert at least. Low enough that I could hear the guy behind me talk the entire time at normal volume. I had to tell him to be quiet several times. A-hole. And I couldn't really hear Roger, either. If you didn't know the lyrics, you weren't going to clearly hear them from where I was sitting, that's for sure. The Forum always sucked for gigs. I only went because it was the Who and Quadrophenia. Hoped for the best, and got the worst. I figure the volume was low because if you turn it up at the Forum the whole thing goes to hell. So it was the lesser of two evils, I suppose. Which just goes to show how bad it really is.

Guest for the Quad show I went to included Gary Glitter and Billy Idol, among a couple of others. But they really only played small roles. It wasn't like the Tommy gig. They bring GS scooters out on stage and it's a bit flashy. And even though I couldn't hear Rog and the volume was low, it seemed to be a good show. This DVD should make up for a lot.

Thanks for the tip, Lunch. :)

I'm pretty excited about it.

If it's Who, it's worth owning.

I don't know if I'll get the Who DVD. Definitely not right away, but probably eventually. I still need The Kids Are Alright and Isle of Wright first. Kenney Jones does get a lot of hate from Who fans, including me. He did his best to replace Moon, but Moon was just impossible to replace.

np- The Real Me :cool:

One of my top 5 Who songs for sure.

Even without seeing the new Dvd I'd strongly recommend TKAA and IoW first.

[QUOTE=robo2448]I don't know if I'll get the Who DVD. Definitely not right away, but probably eventually. I still need The Kids Are Alright and Isle of Wright first. Kenney Jones does get a lot of hate from Who fans, including me. He did his best to replace Moon, but Moon was just impossible to replace.

np- The Real Me :cool:

One of my top 5 Who songs for sure.[/QUOTE]
The new DVD is like a Who Ensemble. They have a horn section, back up singers, percussionist, two keyboard players, I believe, and an additional guitarist. So it's a big band. For the Quad tour they didn't even promote it as the Who, I remember. They had an ad that said "Roger Daltrey, Pete Townshend, John Entwhistle, Performing The Who's Quadrophenia". Or something like that? They quickly changed it to "The Who" though, because ticket sales were slow.

So yeah, if you don't have the essential Who stuff like TKAA or IoW, best to start with one of those first, as Lunch suggests.

John, do you have the Deluxe Edition of Who's Next (the two disc one)? I figured I should try to get a hold of it for the live disc.

[QUOTE=robo2448]I don't know if I'll get the Who DVD. Definitely not right away, but probably eventually. I still need [COLOR="Red"]The Kids Are Alright [/COLOR]and [COLOR="Purple"]Isle of Wright [/COLOR]first. Kenney Jones does get a lot of hate from Who fans, including me. He did his best to replace Moon, but Moon was just impossible to replace.

np- The Real Me :cool:

One of my top 5 Who songs for sure.[/QUOTE]

[COLOR="Red"]I have the tour t-shirt for this, I should post pics sometime[/COLOR]
[COLOR="Purple"]Audio kinda sucks on this one[/COLOR]

[QUOTE=Lunch]John, do you have the Deluxe Edition of Who's Next (the two disc one)? I figured I should try to get a hold of it for the live disc.[/QUOTE]
I don't have that, Lunch. I have Who's Next on vinyl and also the standard edition on MusicMatch. I looked on my music service (allofmp3.com) and strangely enough they have much of the Who's catalogue, including everything from Tommy through It's Hard, but no Who's Next whatsoever? I don't know what that's all about. Sorry I can't be of more help. If they had it I would of picked it up and sent it to you. Good luck finding it.

I heard about that DVD a while ago, I didn't know that the dates for the tours were so recent. I'll probably pick it up, but I doubt if it can beat TKAA.

[QUOTE=JohnXDoe]I don't have that, Lunch. I have Who's Next on vinyl and also the standard edition on MusicMatch. I looked on my music service (allofmp3.com) and strangely enough they have much of the Who's catalogue, including everything from Tommy through It's Hard, but no Who's Next whatsoever? I don't know what that's all about. Sorry I can't be of more help. If they had it I would of picked it up and sent it to you. Good luck finding it.[/QUOTE]

I've actually seen it in stores before, the problem is that it runs about $25 and I already have Who's Next. But I would like to have any live Who that's available, especially some from 1971.
[QUOTE=wholedzep]I heard about that DVD a while ago, I didn't know that the dates for the tours were so recent. I'll probably pick it up, but I doubt if it can beat TKAA.[/QUOTE]

I don't think anyone is expecting it to, and if you are then you probably shouldn't. Who w/o Moon<<<<Who w/ Moon.

Being one of the biggest Who fans I feel compelled to point out some minor, obscure details that nobody seems to know or write down.

Roger Daltry was actually the Detours' guitarist at the time Entwistle joined.

Townshend originally saw Keith Richards doing 'the windmill' and copyed him, Richards doesn't remember ever doing it.

The Who did not want to play at Monterey or Woodstock (manager Kit Lambert signed a contract). The Woodstock crew also threatened to tell the anxious crowd the Who refused to play, causing a riot.

Finally, to all you people who say 'Teenage Wasteland' is a song: **** YOU! It's called Baba O'Riley.

(Baba O'Riley comes from Meher Baba, Townshends religious guru, and Terry Riley, a pioneer in synthesized music)

[QUOTE=PremierManiac]Being one of the biggest Who fans I feel compelled to point out some minor, obscure details that nobody seems to know or write down.

Roger Daltry was actually the Detours' guitarist at the time Entwistle joined.
Townshend originally saw Keith Richards doing 'the windmill' and copyed him, Richards doesn't remember ever doing it.
The Who did not want to play at Monterey or Woodstock (manager Kit Lambert signed a contract). The Woodstock crew also threatened to tell the anxious crowd the Who refused to play, causing a riot.
Finally, to all you people who say 'Teenage Wasteland' is a song: **** YOU! It's called Baba O'Riley.
(Baba O'Riley comes from Meher Baba, Townshends religious guru, and Terry Riley, a pioneer in synthesized music)[/QUOTE]
You don't say! Gee, we didn't know any of that here at the Who board. Lunch, you hear about this? It's not called "Teenage Wasteland?" WTF? And that windmill thing? Who knew. :confused:

Here's another little known fact. John Entwhistle is dead! Can you believe it? It's quite the shocker, I know. Just wanted to clue you all in.


EDIT: Nice user title, btw. Welcome to the Who board. :)

[QUOTE=JohnXDoe]You don't say! Gee, we didn't know any of that here at the Who board. Lunch, you here about this? It's not called "Teenage Wasteland?" WTF? And that windmill thing? Who knew. :confused:

Here's another little known fact. John Entwhistle is dead! Can you believe it? It's quite the shocker, I know. Just wanted to clue you all in.[/QUOTE]

ZOMG, when did that happen? Holy crap!

Edit: We're just joking around, hope you stick around this thread.

Here is an excerpt from Pete's Journal dated November 5. He's been posting somewhat regularly at his website as of late and has been putting up chapters of a recent book he has written/is working on/completed. I'm not sure which? There is also a new presentation on "Who TV" that one Rachel Fuller puts on. Apparently it airs at Pete's site at 5:00pm (Birt time) every Wendsday. I will post other interesting things I might find at the site from time to time.

This is just Pete being Pete. He's quite the wanker. Wouldn't have him any other way. I wonder how he feels about message boards. :eek:



[B][SIZE="4"]Cun[COLOR=WHITE]ts![/COLOR][/SIZE][/B]

Fireworks. On Rachel's IN THE ATTIC on Thursday she said one shouldn't wander into a Who Chat Room unprepared. Quite what she was doing there is a question. But I said, they are all 'cun[COLOR=WHITE]ts[/COLOR]' in those Chat Rooms.

I was joking. But when I think about it, it was a hurtful joke. Why?

I think that in chat rooms we all become like the press. We push our own agendas, we hide behind our qwerty keyboards, and we allow the feeling of the moment to impose itself on our chosen subject. In Who chat rooms that would seem to be the Who. Someone wakes up with a headache: Pete is an arsehole because he won't work hard enough etc. Next day they wake up feeling better: Pete is OK because he can do what he likes we love him unconditionally.

I really was joking. I don't go into chat rooms. But I was surprised by my own vehemence and so were some chat room 'fans' who have written to me to complain, or to make their position (and their rights to free speech) plain.

Why am I angry about what goes on in chat rooms? Not because I am bullied there, or that fans have ideas about what I should or should not do. It is because when I set up the web site it had a Who Chat Room. Within a few weeks it was being 'flamed' by people who it now emerges ran web sites of their own. Because of who I am I cannot allow the kind of comments that are permissable on sites unrelated to me in a direct way. People were attacking each other, hiding behind false names. We tried to 'mediate' comments for a while, but it is absurd to do that in a free society.

We closed the Chat Room here. Others flourished as a result. That's good. But I suppose I do still have a bit of a resentment that I spent thousands of dollars setting up an arena for Who fans to talk to each other and to me, and it became a battle field. How great is it that today we can set up a Blog for nothing and it becomes an instant Chat Room in a way.

I have to say that the word 'cun[COLOR=WHITE]t[/COLOR]' is a joke word here. It is derogatory, but was truly meant affectionately in this context. I often say: 'We are all cun[COLOR=WHITE]ts[/COLOR]!' Meaning we are all of us real, flawed, hopeful, stupid, lost and gorgeous.

I promise you Chat Room people, I cherish you, I depend on you, I love you, I need you, I rely on you, and I never listen to a word you say.

[QUOTE=JohnXDoe]The new DVD is like a Who Ensemble. They have a horn section, back up singers, percussionist, two keyboard players, I believe, and an additional guitarist. So it's a big band. For the Quad tour they didn't even promote it as the Who, I remember. They had an ad that said "Roger Daltrey, Pete Townshend, John Entwhistle, Performing The Who's Quadrophenia". Or something like that? They quickly changed it to "The Who" though, because ticket sales were slow.
[/QUOTE]

Heh, that's amusing. "Who the hell are Roger Daltrey, Pete Townshend and John Entwhistle?"

Bloody non-fans.

They probably thought it was some cover band doing Quadrophenia. Losers.

Yea John, that's pretty typical Pete. Good ol' Pete.

[QUOTE=Lunch]
I don't think anyone is expecting it to, and if you are then you probably shouldn't. Who w/o Moon<<<<Who w/ Moon.[/QUOTE]
Don't worry, I'm not that stupid. Moon is one of my favorites of all time, I would never think anyone could replace him.

I picked up the new Dvd today and started watching it. Tommy was struggling a bit but was interesting and overall pretty good. I only watched the first few songs.

[QUOTE=Lunch]I picked up the new Dvd today and started watching it. Tommy was struggling a bit but was interesting and overall pretty good. I only watched the first few songs.[/QUOTE]
Great. Maybe you can report back with a mini review when all is said and done. Let us know what you think of the Quad portion.

[QUOTE=JohnXDoe]Here is an excerpt from Pete's Journal dated November 5. He's been posting somewhat regularly at his website as of late and has been putting up chapters of a recent book he has written/is working on/completed. I'm not sure which? There is also a new presentation on "Who TV" that one Rachel Fuller puts on. Apparently it airs at Pete's site at 5:00pm (Birt time) every Wendsday. I will post other interesting things I might find at the site from time to time.

This is just Pete being Pete. He's quite the wanker. Wouldn't have him any other way. I wonder how he feels about message boards. :eek:



[B][SIZE="4"]Cun[COLOR=WHITE]ts![/COLOR][/SIZE][/B]

Fireworks. On Rachel's IN THE ATTIC on Thursday she said one shouldn't wander into a Who Chat Room unprepared. Quite what she was doing there is a question. But I said, they are all 'cun[COLOR=WHITE]ts[/COLOR]' in those Chat Rooms.

I was joking. But when I think about it, it was a hurtful joke. Why?

I think that in chat rooms we all become like the press. We push our own agendas, we hide behind our qwerty keyboards, and we allow the feeling of the moment to impose itself on our chosen subject. In Who chat rooms that would seem to be the Who. Someone wakes up with a headache: Pete is an arsehole because he won't work hard enough etc. Next day they wake up feeling better: Pete is OK because he can do what he likes we love him unconditionally.

I really was joking. I don't go into chat rooms. But I was surprised by my own vehemence and so were some chat room 'fans' who have written to me to complain, or to make their position (and their rights to free speech) plain.

Why am I angry about what goes on in chat rooms? Not because I am bullied there, or that fans have ideas about what I should or should not do. It is because when I set up the web site it had a Who Chat Room. Within a few weeks it was being 'flamed' by people who it now emerges ran web sites of their own. Because of who I am I cannot allow the kind of comments that are permissable on sites unrelated to me in a direct way. People were attacking each other, hiding behind false names. We tried to 'mediate' comments for a while, but it is absurd to do that in a free society.

We closed the Chat Room here. Others flourished as a result. That's good. But I suppose I do still have a bit of a resentment that I spent thousands of dollars setting up an arena for Who fans to talk to each other and to me, and it became a battle field. How great is it that today we can set up a Blog for nothing and it becomes an instant Chat Room in a way.

I have to say that the word 'cun[COLOR=WHITE]t[/COLOR]' is a joke word here. It is derogatory, but was truly meant affectionately in this context. I often say: 'We are all cun[COLOR=WHITE]ts[/COLOR]!' Meaning we are all of us real, flawed, hopeful, stupid, lost and gorgeous.

I promise you Chat Room people, I cherish you, I depend on you, I love you, I need you, I rely on you, and I never listen to a word you say.[/QUOTE]

:lol: Thats just hilarious!

Whats up with this new DVD? I might get it depending on what Lunch says on it.

Still haven't watched any more of it, and I'm going to be out all today. I'll let you guys know though.

Update on the new Dvd: I watched bits and pieces of the Quadrophenia disc (The Real Me, Punk and the Godfather, Love Reign O'er Me and a few others) and the performances were great. The only negative is between each song they have an actor playing Jimmy (not on the stage, on a movie set or something) attempting to explain the plot. While somewhat useful, it's really annoying and ruins the concert feel.

I also watched some of the third disc, the encores from these two shows. Again, great performances, especially on Won't Get Fooled Again.

^^That's great to hear. I haven't seen the Tommy part in some years but I do remember it being pretty good. Even if it was on an old beat up VHS tape with poor sound. I'm glad to hear the Quadrophenia portion is good. I had read about the actor thing and thought that sounded odd, also. The story is fairly straight forward, so why they felt a need to include that beats me? And chances are if you buy this you are already aquainted with the Who and Quadrophenia, so it seems especially useless considereing that. At any rate, I'll be picking it up soon. Thanks for getting back about it. And let us know more when you can.

The actor in Quadrophenia is really only a minor inconvenience, and though I do wish it wasn't included it doesn't take anything away from the performance. If you liked the Tommy performance you should definitely pick up the Dvd because from what I saw the Q performance blew it out of the water.

[QUOTE=Lunch]The actor in Quadrophenia is really only a minor inconvenience, and though I do wish it wasn't included it doesn't take anything away from the performance. If you liked the Tommy performance you should definitely pick up the Dvd because from what I saw the Q performance blew it out of the water.[/QUOTE]
Quadrophenia is a beautiful thing performed live. Especially since they weren't able to do it way back in the day because of the limitations they performed under musically speaking. Playing to backing tapes as they tried to do touring behind it was impossible for a band like the Who way back then. It especially threw Moon off his mark. So before this tour their were no complete Quadrophenia performances to be found. So this is really cool. Especially for a Quad die hard like myself. I'm even a little excited about seeing it. That never happens. Except for the Who. And [B]X[/B]. :)

You should be excited, for anything the Who releases.

Blah, Patti LaBelle ruined the Acid Queen. The Tommy finale was great though.

Has anyone read Dave Marsh's biography of the Who (titled [I]Before I Get Old[/I])? I'm nearly finished and thought it was pretty good, you should check it out if you're interested in them.

Actually I remember John posted some excerpts from the book so obviously he's read it. My favorite quote was this:
"Entwistle was more than capable of playing anything required, but John also considered anything that didn't kick a[SIZE="2"]ss[/SIZE] directly a step in the wrong direction."

[QUOTE=Lunch]Has anyone read Dave Marsh's biography of the Who (titled [I]Before I Get Old[/I])? I'm nearly finished and thought it was pretty good, you should check it out if you're interested in them.

Actually I remember John posted some excerpts from the book so obviously he's read it. My favorite quote was this:
"Entwistle was more than capable of playing anything required, but John also considered anything that didn't kick a[SIZE="2"]ss[/SIZE] directly a step in the wrong direction."[/QUOTE]
That's a really good biography. I would also recommend it to any Who fan. It's certainly not a book for fanboys, as Marsh cuts the Who no slack whatsoever. I felt he was a little tough on them, actually. But that opinion comes from a bit of a fanboy, of course. And the fact that he didn't proclaim Quadrophenia the great album it truly is irked me. I think he said it was a "good" rock album but that Townshend "over reached". Bleh to that opinion, is what I say.

Another good book if available is "Maximum R&B" by Richard Barnes. This is also a picture book of sorts. It has a lot of rare photographs by Barnes, among others, as he was a friend and confidant of the band from the early years all the way to the end, and often traveled/toured with them. It's a kinder book to them. Often downright sympathitic. But not without it's criticisms. And the pictures are pretty amazing. I would also recommend that one.

I'm considering purchasing either the new Who DVD or a different one. Ideas?

Yea, Marsh gave no sympathy to the Who, and like you I actually found him a little too harsh at some parts. Their transition to superstardom seemed to come about very abruptly since he never made it seem like anything they did was much of a success. And like John, I have my beef with Marsh about Tommy (and Quadrophenia :p). Anyways, despite this negativity, it's still a great an interesting read.

JonG - If you don't have any Who video definitely get The Kids Are Alright. It's an amazing video documentary of the band's career from their formation till 1978 with great footage and sound quality. After that check out Live at the Isle of Wight 1970. Similar set list to Live at Leeds only with the video and the sound is somewhat dissappointing. I wouldn't recommend the new Dvd if you didn't have those two already.

I just picked up a copy of Who's Missing, which is supposedly pretty rare, for $10 new. And I also got TKAA soundtrack.

Completing the collection++

[QUOTE=Lunch]I just picked up a copy of Who's Missing, which is supposedly pretty rare, for $10 new. And I also got TKAA soundtrack.

Completing the collection++[/QUOTE]

I found Who's Missing at the A&P (a grocery store) a week or two ago. I was pretty surprised.

TKAA soundtrack is awesome. I kind of wish I bought the DVD instead of the soundtrack though. TKAA (DVD) will be on my Christmas list if I don't buy it before then.

The Dvd doesn't have I Can See For Miles or My Wife, but other than that it's better. Still good to have both though.

What year's the DVD a recording of?

TKAA? It has footage from their entire career up to 1978.

Sorry I keep posting here so much, but I just saw Entwislte's solo on 5:15 in the new Dvd. Holy crap, that was unbelievable.

[QUOTE=Lunch]Sorry I keep posting here so much, but I just saw Entwislte's solo on 5:15 in the new Dvd. Holy crap, that was unbelievable.[/QUOTE]
WTF? It's the Who thread, man. Post away!

I'm going to request the new DVD for Christmas. Sounds great. I'm also going to do mini reviews of all available (and perhaps unavailable) who videos and post them here. Just a paragraph or two for each video so people will know what to expect, more or less. Not so much a review, perhaps, but breif overviews. That may be of interest to some. They can't really be reviews because I find it hard to be critical of the Who. So if people have questions thereafter they at least won't be totally in the dark about what they are looking for.

I'm trying to keep this thread alive.

Entwistle is amazing.

And yea John, that would be cool.