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[QUOTE=Brewer14][URL=http://s38.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0A5LAWB1WSQ012R0ZQ4PTTJMHC]Sage Francis- Crumble[/URL][/QUOTE]
Awesome man. Thanks.

[QUOTE=the thing that should never be]Awesome man. Thanks.[/QUOTE]

No problem.

This isnt off his new CD but its good nonetheless

[URL=http://s38.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0AWQRI2HGWPTL2P9QZ2OZ2OX1C]Sage Francis- Makeshift Patriot[/URL]

Ive heard some good rap songs, but 99% of all rap is just lame. I heard some song with this guy singing aobut how cool his 'ice' is...LAME.
Here is a small portion of lyrics from the previously mentioned song:

"I got so many rocks, on my chain and watch
I know I'm da ****, my chain hang down to my dick
I know I'm da bomb, just look at my charms
I know I'm da ****, my chain hang down to my dick"

This is just one example of bad rap lyrics, but these are pretty similar to every other rap song.

I used to be a huge fan of rap, mostly early stuff like Run-DMC (they got some pretty cool guitar parts...) and gangsta stuff like 2pac, ice cube, etc. I don't listen to it anymore though. I think i became obsessed with rock when i started playing guitar. I think people should listen to rap once in a while, as with every other kind of music. Rap has actually really helped me write songs and poetry, and it gives people a good feel for rythms and beats. i'd still pick rock over rap any day, though.

A friend just sent me a song by RJD2 called 'Ghostwriter', loved it.

the only rap group i really like is N.W.A and thats just cuz they ****in rule :)

[QUOTE=payer_69]the only rap group i really like is N.W.A and thats just cuz they ****in rule :)[/QUOTE]

I agree N.W.A is the only good rap group out there. Staight Outta Compton is dat **** yo

[QUOTE=3rdplanet]A friend just sent me a song by RJD2 called 'Ghostwriter', loved it.[/QUOTE]

RJD2 is awesome. Get some more if you can, especially the song The Horror.

[QUOTE=superjoe]Ive heard some good rap songs, but 99% of all rap is just lame. I heard some song with this guy singing aobut how cool his 'ice' is...LAME.
Here is a small portion of lyrics from the previously mentioned song:

"I got so many rocks, on my chain and watch
I know I'm da ****, my chain hang down to my dick
I know I'm da bomb, just look at my charms
I know I'm da ****, my chain hang down to my dick"

This is just one example of bad rap lyrics, but these are pretty similar to every other rap song.[/QUOTE]
it so pisses me off when ppl are so eagerly prepared to generalise,stereotype and wildly make assumption.
i appreciate rap music for what it is though i listen to mostly metal/indie.
to throw wild percentages is lame..in whose opinion is 99% of rap lame? is that a fact? a correlated figure? i think not...and to say those lyrics are similar to pretty much every rap song is new to me...such wild assumptions cannot be backed.

[QUOTE=bondedbybubs]I agree N.W.A is the only good rap group out there. [/QUOTE]

Public Enemy?
A Tribe Called Quest?
De La Soul?
Blackalicious?
Jurassic 5?
Outkast?
Wu-Tang Clan?

[QUOTE=ArrestThisMan]I've seen it a million times.

Somebody mentions rap, and about 20 comments follow with people saying how much they hate it, and how it isn't music. They claim that is just about money, killing, hoes, etc.

I can't really get angry with these people, for the sole reason that the radio is full of that bullsh[size=2]it[/size]. Someone will usually come along and say, "The underground has much better stuff." But without actually hearing some good rap, statements like that don't accomplish much.

So all I ask is that everyone gives rap an honest listen. If you like it, great, if not, then at least you have an educated opinion on it.

To understand rap, you need to know a little about the origin.

Rap is part of the hip hop culture, which also includes graffiti and break dancing. It came out of the South Bronx in the late seventies, stemming from funk and disco. It emerged as a form of self expression for the black and hispanic community in New York. Conditions in these neighberhoods were poor, and the way the people expressed this was through rap. Crews started to form, to give members identity, and this is deeply rooted in the hip hop culture.

Early rap recordings:

* Sugarhill Gang - Rappers Delight

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* Grandmaster Flash - The Message

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*Run DMC - My Adidas

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*2 Live Crew - We Want Some Pus[size=2]sy[/size]

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East coast rap:

*Beastie Boys - Fight For Your Right

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No Sleep Til Brooklyn -

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*Public Enemy - Don't Believe the Hype

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*Notorious BIG - Machine Gun Funk

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*Nas - One Love

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*Wu Tang - Wu Tang Clan Ain't Nothin' To Fu[size=2]ck[/size] Wit

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Also check out Jay Z.

Gangsta rap:

*2pac - Hit 'Em Up

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Also check out NWA.

Okay, now that you have a background, let's move into some of my favorites:

*Benefit - Proceed With Caution

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*De La Soul - Me, Myself and I

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Potholes in my lawn

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*Edan - Rapperfection

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-Rock an Roll

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*Non Prophets - Tolerance Level

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*Atmosphere - Shoes

[url]http://s47.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=322FWM0BGJ0X51JTS9U1VQTFYF[/url]

*Propellerheards (featuring De La Soul) - Oh Yeah

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That should get you started. Enjoy.

-Special thanks to Bartender for help with this

[b]A new FG should be ready by May 29th.[/b][/QUOTE]

screw you

[QUOTE=dest. Chaos]screw you[/QUOTE]

Any reason for you disliking me?

[QUOTE=dest. Chaos]screw you[/QUOTE]
Idiot, enjoy your ban :)

[QUOTE=ArrestThisMan]Any reason for you disliking me?[/QUOTE]
I'm thinking it was the lack of a new FG as that's bolded...maybe?

[QUOTE=rory_breaker]Public Enemy?
A Tribe Called Quest?
De La Soul?
Blackalicious?
Jurassic 5?
Outkast?
Wu-Tang Clan?[/QUOTE]

Pfft. He was looking for good bands. Those are [I][U]great[/U][/I] bands. :)

[QUOTE=zeppelinfan2k3]I'm thinking it was the lack of a new FG as that's bolded...maybe?[/QUOTE]

:lol:

That must be it.

try Ruff Ryder to those so like some harcore gangsta rap, but not as extreme as Tupac Amaru Shakur

a good gangsta rap song is uhh

M.E.M.P.H.I.S. by Three 6 Mafia if you guys ever feel the need to check that out

Rap is abousolutly horrible except like that one 911 is a joke song....sorry its just horrible...listen to jazz man it actually takes talent to play unlike rap :angry:

[QUOTE=jazzfenderboy]Rap is abousolutly horrible except like that one 911 is a joke song....sorry its just horrible...listen to jazz man it actually takes talent to play unlike rap :angry:[/QUOTE]

Here's a better idea. Instead of pretending to know what you're talking about, litsen to whatever you want and stop being an elitist prick.

[QUOTE=jazzfenderboy]Rap is abousolutly horrible except like that one 911 is a joke song....sorry its just horrible...listen to jazz man it actually takes talent to play unlike rap :angry:[/QUOTE]

Interesting since alot of rap has jazz samples like ATCQ etc. I love jazz but each genre takes tallent, rap music is no exeption.

[QUOTE=Steerpike]Here's a better idea. Instead of pretending to know what you're talking about, litsen to whatever you want and stop being an elitist prick.[/QUOTE]

That seems to be a pretty accurate statement. I concur.

Here we go. Rap in my opinion isnt very good. Thats my opinion but I wouldnt go as far as saying that the people who rap are untalented or that rap isnt music. Music is noise and you can make noise either with a machine or with your heart. Thats pretty much all I have to say on this subject.

Have any of you guys heard of Roots Manuva? Great rap group thats pretty popular in England I think, but still pretty underground here in the West.

Group? I was under the impression it was just one guy. I don't know about him being underground as such. Did work with with Chali 2na from Jurassic 5 on Run Come Save Me, so I'd assume he's known pretty well in the west.

Good music though. One of the UK's biggest artists I'd say.

[QUOTE=realitybreach]Here we go.[/QUOTE]

There you went.

[QUOTE=guitarded_chuck]Have any of you guys heard of Roots Manuva? Great rap group thats pretty popular in England I think, but still pretty underground here in the West.[/QUOTE]
It's just one guy.

And Awfully Deep was my favourite album of 2005 at one point, but it's since been trampled by The Magic Numbers, Common, SOAD, Arcade Fire et al.

[QUOTE=realitybreach] Music is noise and you can make noise either with a machine or with your heart. [/QUOTE]
Aw, you tried so hard to sound intelligent, too.....

Dr. Octagon's [B]a[/B]ss references are the greatest moments of rap.

[QUOTE=rory_breaker]Public Enemy?
A Tribe Called Quest?
De La Soul?
Blackalicious?
Jurassic 5?
Outkast?
Wu-Tang Clan?[/QUOTE]

my bad
Wu Tang Clan
Run DMC
and Public Enemy are good too

This thread has been both a success and failure. Much kudos to threadstarter.

Jedi Mind Tricks are in first place in my books as far as hip hop goes. "And So It Burns", "The Worst", and "The Rage Of Angels" are my favourite beats.

[QUOTE=jazzfenderboy]Rap is abousolutly horrible except like that one 911 is a joke song....sorry its just horrible...listen to jazz man it actually takes talent to play unlike rap :angry:[/QUOTE]

I can't stand jazz-elitists. "oh look at me, I like jazz, my tastes have far surpassed yours". Guess what? No one cares. I like jazz. Sun Ra and Ornette Coleman are some of my favorite artists. Big deal. Sorry you can't be openminded enough to accept anything you aren't used to.

[QUOTE=Neurotoxin]Jedi Mind Tricks are in first place in my books as far as hip hop goes. [B]"And So It Burns"[/B], "The Worst", and "The Rage Of Angels" are my favourite beats.[/QUOTE]

absolute ch00n.

Need to get more stuff.

RAP IS ****!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! worst music ever created, wait... ITS NOT MUSIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SNOOP DOG, EMINEM, 50 CENT and all the rest SHOUKLD ****ING ROT IN HELL

[QUOTE=sj_2150]RAP IS ****!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! worst music ever created, wait... ITS NOT MUSIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SNOOP DOG, EMINEM, 50 CENT and all the rest SHOUKLD ****ING ROT IN HELL[/QUOTE]
Enjoy the ban :)