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fatbandit 08-31-2005 03:55 PM

Jean, I was wondering (again, seeing as I just got my Conklin 7), you use your 9 for every song in Nuclear Rabbit? I've not seen live pictures of you without it. And how many of the songs do you actually use all (or any of the higher register ones) in? Is it hard to hold back and groove when you have all that shredding potential infront of you?

EDIT: Extra question, specially for you.

Like I say, I just got the Conklin, 3 days ago infact. However, I've been noticing that I'm getting a lot of pain in my fretting hand. Its happening in the tendons on the back of the hand - the ones that move a bit when you wiggle your fingers. This hasn't happened in the previous 2 and a half years of my playing except for once when I got my first 4 string bass, but it was corrected by my correcting my technique.

This time however, my technique is flawless as I can see it in my fretting hand, my thumb is in the right place, I'm fretting properly, my bass isn't being played at a funny angle.

Its got to the point where it hurts to play, so I stop, and now, hours later, it still hurts (though it hurts more to play the 5 string than the 7 once that pain has set in).

I don't want to injure myself, so I was wondering if you knew a possible cause of the problem to avoid me injury down the road. I want to sort this out rather than sell the Conk, as I love it to bits! Is it just something that will happen and will wear off after I'm used to the extra neck size (that seems a bit of a long shot. I don't see why it should hurt if everything is goign right)?

A friend of mine with a 7 says it takes about 2 or 3 weeks to become as proficient on the 7 as on the 5. I'd hate to give up before I even get to that stage!

Thanks a bunch Jean, if you can answer that, but I'm fully aware it may be something you just can't answer! :)

:smash:

tatter3d 09-01-2005 07:52 AM

Whens the solo cd coming out Jean?!

EADG 09-02-2005 01:30 PM

Hello Jean

I believe I read somewhere that you were sponsored by some bass companies (such as Conklin and possibly Accugroove), and if this is true, I was wondering how you managed to get these deals. I'm asking because your career is very close to what I'd consider a dream career (I don't think anyone can say no to tons of bass gear, a long-standing band, and solo cds).

Also, for no reason, do you like Super Nintendo? I've been playing Super Mario 64 and Ocarina of Time a lot lately.

Jean Baudin 09-03-2005 12:06 PM

[QUOTE=fatbandit]Jean, I was wondering (again, seeing as I just got my Conklin 7), you use your 9 for every song in Nuclear Rabbit? I've not seen live pictures of you without it. And how many of the songs do you actually use all (or any of the higher register ones) in? Is it hard to hold back and groove when you have all that shredding potential infront of you?

EDIT: Extra question, specially for you.

Like I say, I just got the Conklin, 3 days ago infact. However, I've been noticing that I'm getting a lot of pain in my fretting hand. Its happening in the tendons on the back of the hand - the ones that move a bit when you wiggle your fingers. This hasn't happened in the previous 2 and a half years of my playing except for once when I got my first 4 string bass, but it was corrected by my correcting my technique.

This time however, my technique is flawless as I can see it in my fretting hand, my thumb is in the right place, I'm fretting properly, my bass isn't being played at a funny angle.

Its got to the point where it hurts to play, so I stop, and now, hours later, it still hurts (though it hurts more to play the 5 string than the 7 once that pain has set in).

I don't want to injure myself, so I was wondering if you knew a possible cause of the problem to avoid me injury down the road. I want to sort this out rather than sell the Conk, as I love it to bits! Is it just something that will happen and will wear off after I'm used to the extra neck size (that seems a bit of a long shot. I don't see why it should hurt if everything is goign right)?

A friend of mine with a 7 says it takes about 2 or 3 weeks to become as proficient on the 7 as on the 5. I'd hate to give up before I even get to that stage!

Thanks a bunch Jean, if you can answer that, but I'm fully aware it may be something you just can't answer! :)

:smash:[/QUOTE]

hey fatbandit -

since the 9 has all the strings of my other basses, of course I can use it on any song... I can probably get by with most of the NR stuff on just a 5 and a 6. The 9 was necessary for the E:OS stuff which was written to use the instrument to it's full extent (there originally was going to be no guitar for that band)... I've tried to whip out my old 5-string for shows but I get yelled by fans that want to see the 9 in action. I imagine it will be the same when I have the 11 and try to bring the 9 out... hahaha.

As for your hand, it may just be adjustment and perhaps you are playing it too much (or you played your 4/5/6 too much before) and your muscle memory is having a hard time readjusting. Though I'm no expert, I would say ease up on the playing time on the new 7, if you've been playing it a lot take it easy and just play it a little bit each day and increase that amount. Think of yourself like a runner, you wouldn't want to go from running a mile each day to running 5 miles everyday after... Just let your hands get some adjustment. Of course, I can't see your fingers but I assume you are playing with your tips of your fingers and you have your thumb planted in the middle. If you are wearing a strap put it up a little higher too (just for now). That's about all I can think of. Hope that helps.

Jean Baudin 09-03-2005 12:07 PM

[QUOTE=tatter3d]Whens the solo cd coming out Jean?![/QUOTE]

It's waiting for an 11 string. I have tons of stuff recorded but nothing is really finalized yet. Next year sometime. Thanks for the interest.

Radiobass81 09-03-2005 12:12 PM

Do you ever use any double/triple octaved basses?

Jean Baudin 09-03-2005 12:32 PM

[QUOTE=EADG]Hello Jean

I believe I read somewhere that you were sponsored by some bass companies (such as Conklin and possibly Accugroove), and if this is true, I was wondering how you managed to get these deals. I'm asking because your career is very close to what I'd consider a dream career (I don't think anyone can say no to tons of bass gear, a long-standing band, and solo cds).

Also, for no reason, do you like Super Nintendo? I've been playing Super Mario 64 and Ocarina of Time a lot lately.[/QUOTE]

I got deals with Conklin and Accugroove and I have a few with other bass makers. I assume it's because of my talent, but both Conklin and Accugroove have told me that they get people contacting them about their instruments/cabs because they heard/saw me playing them.

At the NAMM show, I've walked into booths to try gear, played for a few minutes (which draws a big crowd to the booth) the owner of the company freaks out and offers me some free gear. That's happened a couple of times too. I don't know what advice to give you - just kick butt on your instrument and get your name out there.

I love the SNES and have it hooked up now. I've been trying to find some RPGs (Mystic Quest, FF2, Secret of Mana, Lufia 2, Shadowrun etc.) - just got 7th Saga and Paladin's Quest. I also have a PS2 and was going to pickup a gamecube again when the new Zelda came out (but since it's been delayed I might wait for the revolution). Right now I'm playing Equinox on the SNES (tryng to beat it), God of War or Tekken 5. hahaha. Any of you who want to donate some old SNES games to me... hook me up!!! I'll put them to good use. haha.

Jean Baudin 09-03-2005 12:37 PM

[QUOTE=Radiobass81]Do you ever use any double/triple octaved basses?[/QUOTE]

I don't have any... I'd like to get one. I tried Steuart Liebig's 12-string Fodera at the last NAMM and it was pretty fun. I also tried Michael Manring's 10. Maybe one day, I'll have a custom double octaved 9. :D

fatbandit 09-03-2005 12:42 PM

Ah man, thanks. That's what I thought.

I've not touched it today.

Playing through the pain doesn't seem a very good idea, seeing as I'm sure you and everyone else here feels the same way, that my hands are one of the most important things to me. Last thing I want to do is ruin them.

The strap isn't so much of an issue (I've been playing seated mostly), but yes, my hand placement is fine.

Ah well, I'll see how it goes! :)

:smash:

Radiobass81 09-03-2005 01:16 PM

[QUOTE=Jean Baudin]I also have a PS2 and was going to pickup a gamecube again when the new Zelda came out (but since it's been delayed I might wait for the revolution).[/QUOTE]

*Shameful post*

Want to buy my gamecube? I've hardly been playing any games at all (I haven't seen much TV, either, come to think of it), and when I do, it's with my Dreamcast.

nicatterberry 09-03-2005 01:29 PM

[QUOTE=Radiobass81]*Shameful post*

Want to buy my gamecube? I've hardly been playing any games at all (I haven't seen much TV, either, come to think of it), and when I do, it's with my Dreamcast.[/QUOTE]


Ahh Dreamcasts are like my favorite system, besides xbox. Wish i still had mine.

thelowsoundofbass 09-03-2005 03:14 PM

dreamcast was the best system that was ever made. i wish that saga had a better marketing scheme for them. then they might still be around.

lowsound

kilian 09-03-2005 04:51 PM

[QUOTE=Jean Baudin] I also have a PS2 and was going to pickup a gamecube again when the new Zelda came out (but since it's been delayed I might wait for the revolution). [/QUOTE]
AH the revolution! :D I'm waiting for that one.. and I LOVE it that I can play zelda on that one :smoke: I was thinking about buying a game cube, just because of Zelda and SuperSmash Bros. Melee

EADG 09-03-2005 07:03 PM

[QUOTE=Jean Baudin]I got deals with Conklin and Accugroove and I have a few with other bass makers. I assume it's because of my talent, but both Conklin and Accugroove have told me that they get people contacting them about their instruments/cabs because they heard/saw me playing them.

At the NAMM show, I've walked into booths to try gear, played for a few minutes (which draws a big crowd to the booth) the owner of the company freaks out and offers me some free gear. That's happened a couple of times too. I don't know what advice to give you - just kick butt on your instrument and get your name out there[/QUOTE]


That's good advice, I do plan on trying my best to get my name out, but how exactly does it work? They just contact you one day and ask if you'd like a deal, and you agree to use their products, or is it very official and you have to fill out forms and let them know what gear of theirs you use, and what gear of other companies you will be using?

Also, when you have a deal, do you get all of their gear free? And, do you have guidelines such as having to use their gear at shows, or having limits on what gear besides theirs you can use?



And one last thing, I don't know why I said Super, but I meant to ask if you liked N64.

Low_End_Communications 09-03-2005 07:16 PM

Random question: How does the guitarist in NR tune? Sounds like a 6 in standard, but I can't quite tell...

deemo 09-03-2005 10:28 PM

[QUOTE=Radiobass81]*Shameful post*

Want to buy my gamecube? I've hardly been playing any games at all (I haven't seen much TV, either, come to think of it), and when I do, it's with my Dreamcast.[/QUOTE]


the mod loves to burn free games!

i have a dreamcast, and a binder full of 100+ games. i love it.

fatbandit 09-04-2005 03:24 AM

LEC, from the NR site, it looks like Jean's guitarist uses a 7 in standard?

Correct me if I'm wrong :p

:smash:

Papa Shank 09-07-2005 12:26 AM

[QUOTE=fatbandit]LEC, from the NR site, it looks like Jean's guitarist uses a 7 in standard?

Correct me if I'm wrong :p

:smash:[/QUOTE]
7 stringer yes, no doubt he uses 6 stringers aswell though.

could very well be drop A he's using though, I'd have to listen to some mp3s, I'll edit in a mo.... yup, sounds like a good old B standard to me

Spaceman Spiff 09-07-2005 09:40 AM

[QUOTE=Jean Baudin]
since the 9 has all the strings of my other basses, of course I can use it on any song... I can probably get by with most of the NR stuff on just a 5 and a 6. The 9 was necessary for the E:OS stuff which was written to use the instrument to it's full extent (there originally was going to be no guitar for that band)... I've tried to whip out my old 5-string for shows but I get yelled by fans that want to see the 9 in action. I imagine it will be the same when I have the 11 and try to bring the 9 out... hahaha.[/QUOTE]
So... it's just a gimmick?
People go to see the bass with a lot of strings...



Edit: I'm not trying to sound like a dick with what I said, I am familiar with some of your solo stuff and that you do use the 9 for good reason on it, but if people are upset that don't use it live with Nuclear Rabbit, then it seems people (I'm not saying all people, but some) are just going for an image, the guy with the 9 string bass, not the music.

Jean Baudin 09-07-2005 11:05 AM

[QUOTE=thelowsoundofbass]dreamcast was the best system that was ever made. i wish that saga had a better marketing scheme for them. then they might still be around.

lowsound[/QUOTE]

I have a dreamcast too, but it's in storage. I should pull that one out... don't have that many games for it though.

Jean Baudin 09-07-2005 11:07 AM

[QUOTE=EADG]And one last thing, I don't know why I said Super, but I meant to ask if you liked N64.[/QUOTE]

I had one when it first came out but sold it shortly after getting it. I think the only games I had for it was Cruisin' USA, Star Wars and Mario 64. They took so long to make games for it I just got rid of it because it was collecting dust.

Jean Baudin 09-07-2005 11:42 AM

[QUOTE=Spaceman Spiff]So... it's just a gimmick?
People go to see the bass with a lot of strings...



Edit: I'm not trying to sound like a dick with what I said, I am familiar with some of your solo stuff and that you do use the 9 for good reason on it, but if people are upset that don't use it live with Nuclear Rabbit, then it seems people (I'm not saying all people, but some) are just going for an image, the guy with the 9 string bass, not the music.[/QUOTE]


It's not a gimmick... most of the music in Nuclear Rabbit was written/recorded before I got the 9-string.

I can understand why someone would get upset, but I don't think anyone is going to a concert to look at a 9-string.

Spaceman Spiff 09-07-2005 01:06 PM

[QUOTE=Jean Baudin]It's not a gimmick... most of the music in Nuclear Rabbit was written/recorded before I got the 9-string.

I can understand why someone would get upset, but I don't think anyone is going to a concert to look at a 9-string.[/QUOTE]
What I meant was that the 9 isn't necessary, but you said you use it because the fans want you to use it.

But look at Les Claypool, he has 4 and 6 string basses but he still uses the 4 stringed ones all the time because the B or C aren't always needed.

I don't get disappointed when I go to see a band and the bassist or guitarist is using an instrument other than what they usually use, and as a Nuclear Rabbit fan I wouldn't be disappointed if I saw you guys live and you didn't use the 9.

All I'm saying is that it's not a crime to do something like that. Maybe people will be upset, but they really shouldn't.

GenzBenzPwnzMesa 09-07-2005 03:43 PM

Why do you kick so much *** Jean?

Seriously though, what kind of amps do you recommend for less fortunate bass players that sound good with guitar too, I'm talking in the 500-600 dollar range, any specific ones? I'm looking at Ashdowns right now, I'm wanting headroom/power/tone on a budget.

Thanks a ton if you answer, it'll be great to get a real pro's opinion on gear.

Papa Shank 09-08-2005 03:21 PM

Jean, I'm going to assume you have a damper to mute the open notes on all of your 9 string basses, I'm considering doing this on my instrument but I don't plan on using it for fingerstyle so what I'm wondering is if you think the con of not being able to play open strings is out weighed by the pro of not having strings (paticularly lower bass strings) vibrating while you play other strings.

I have never had the need to mute unplayed strings before and it's not something I see being useful enough to learn but while I don't want to mute unplayed strings I also don't want to lose open notes either, and am in need of a bit of experienced opinion.

EADG 09-09-2005 06:51 PM

[QUOTE=Paul]Jean, I'm going to assume you have a damper to mute the open notes on all of your 9 string basses, I'm considering doing this on my instrument but I don't plan on using it for fingerstyle so what I'm wondering is if you think the con of not being able to play open strings is out weighed by the pro of not having strings (paticularly lower bass strings) vibrating while you play other strings.

I have never had the need to mute unplayed strings before and it's not something I see being useful enough to learn but while I don't want to mute unplayed strings I also don't want to lose open notes either, and am in need of a bit of experienced opinion.[/QUOTE]


You can slide them past the nut when you're not using them, giving you all of the open strings you desire.

Gabriel 09-11-2005 04:05 PM

Meh, I guess I'll ask Mr. Baudin a question:

I was wondering, you seem to like your effects. Could you list me a few of your faveorites, along with your entire collection?

Also-does the Pacbass have MIDI, or is it just the new 11 string that will sport it?

Chris K 09-12-2005 12:33 AM

[QUOTE=Gabriel]Meh, I guess I'll ask Mr. Baudin a question:

I was wondering, you seem to like your effects. Could you list me a few of your faveorites, along with your entire collection?

Also-does the Pacbass have MIDI, or is it just the new 11 string that will sport it?[/QUOTE]

an inventory is listed on his site, check that out, I asked him about effects just a couple of pages back.

Gabriel 09-12-2005 03:39 PM

[QUOTE=Chris K]an inventory is listed on his site, check that out, I asked him about effects just a couple of pages back.[/QUOTE]

Are you Jean Baudin?


Didn't think so.

fielden 09-13-2005 09:46 AM

hey, he's just helping out mate, calm down

Gabriel 09-13-2005 03:57 PM

[QUOTE=fielden]hey, he's just helping out mate, calm down[/QUOTE]

Am I Jean Baudin?


Didn't think so.

Jean Baudin 09-14-2005 01:36 PM

[QUOTE=Spaceman Spiff]What I meant was that the 9 isn't necessary, but you said you use it because the fans want you to use it.

But look at Les Claypool, he has 4 and 6 string basses but he still uses the 4 stringed ones all the time because the B or C aren't always needed.

I don't get disappointed when I go to see a band and the bassist or guitarist is using an instrument other than what they usually use, and as a Nuclear Rabbit fan I wouldn't be disappointed if I saw you guys live and you didn't use the 9.

All I'm saying is that it's not a crime to do something like that. Maybe people will be upset, but they really shouldn't.[/QUOTE]

It's not necessary for parts written on a 5/6-string but it's necessary for songs that were written on the 9-string. Instead of switching basses at a show, I usually use one the whole time and have a 2nd as a backup in case something breaks. Since the 9 covers "all strings" I can play all my material no matter what.

I can't speak for Les, but I think his 6 is fretless - so that might be a good reason why he switches. And Les may like the 4s better. I like playing the 9s better than the 4/5/6s... so I am playing what I like.

I hope that answered your question. Personally, I don't really care too much if someone gets bummed about which bass I'm playing I can't please everyone all the time.... a lot of kids want me to play the pac-bass live and that is my heaviest one and only use it as a backup and for recording.

Jean Baudin 09-14-2005 01:40 PM

[QUOTE=GenzBenzPwnzMesa]Why do you kick so much *** Jean?

Seriously though, what kind of amps do you recommend for less fortunate bass players that sound good with guitar too, I'm talking in the 500-600 dollar range, any specific ones? I'm looking at Ashdowns right now, I'm wanting headroom/power/tone on a budget.

Thanks a ton if you answer, it'll be great to get a real pro's opinion on gear.[/QUOTE]

Unfortunately, I haven't tried many of the affordable amps - at least not enough to give any opinion on them. Before I had Accugroove, I had Mesa/Boogie and before that I had Eden/SWR.

Never tried an Ashdown. :confused: Sorry!

Jean Baudin 09-14-2005 01:50 PM

[QUOTE=Paul]Jean, I'm going to assume you have a damper to mute the open notes on all of your 9 string basses, I'm considering doing this on my instrument but I don't plan on using it for fingerstyle so what I'm wondering is if you think the con of not being able to play open strings is out weighed by the pro of not having strings (paticularly lower bass strings) vibrating while you play other strings.

I have never had the need to mute unplayed strings before and it's not something I see being useful enough to learn but while I don't want to mute unplayed strings I also don't want to lose open notes either, and am in need of a bit of experienced opinion.[/QUOTE]

I don't use a mute on the 9-strings. I had one when I first got it (and yes, there's a wristband on the pac-man bass - it's just for decoration it has a ghost on it). I actually use a lot of open strings in my playing so the mute/scrunchy thing hinders me.

the way I combat open strings from ringing (that I don't want ringing) is I use my right hand for lower strings and my left hand for high strings. so if I'm playing the A string my right thumb is on the E string and the meat of my hand is on the B and F#. The meat of my left hand fingers mute the higher strings (in the above example that would be d, g, c etc.) - you can simply bar one finger across them all. Hope that helps.... if that doesn't make sense ask me to explain it better. hahaha. :p

Spaceman Spiff 09-14-2005 01:52 PM

[QUOTE=Jean Baudin]It's not necessary for parts written on a 5/6-string but it's necessary for songs that were written on the 9-string. Instead of switching basses at a show, I usually use one the whole time and have a 2nd as a backup in case something breaks. Since the 9 covers "all strings" I can play all my material no matter what.

I can't speak for Les, but I think his 6 is fretless - so that might be a good reason why he switches. And Les may like the 4s better. I like playing the 9s better than the 4/5/6s... so I am playing what I like.

I hope that answered your question. Personally, I don't really care too much if someone gets bummed about which bass I'm playing I can't please everyone all the time.... a lot of kids want me to play the pac-bass live and that is my heaviest one and only use it as a backup and for recording.[/QUOTE]
Alright, well this does clear things up.

Just when you made the comment about using a 5 or 6 at a show and people getting upset that you're not using a 9, it just seemed like you were giving in to people and doing something that you didn't want to... I figured it would have something to do with the weight of a 9, so if something can be played on a 5 or 6, why not? That's all.

Jean Baudin 09-14-2005 02:06 PM

[QUOTE=Gabriel]Meh, I guess I'll ask Mr. Baudin a question:

I was wondering, you seem to like your effects. Could you list me a few of your faveorites, along with your entire collection?

Also-does the Pacbass have MIDI, or is it just the new 11 string that will sport it?[/QUOTE]

i seriously have too many to list.. but I should have a full list on my website at some point.

my favorite effects are delays. I think I have about 4-5 different ones. I also like my multi-fx units (i have roland gt-3, gt6-b, line pod xtlive) and I usually use the regular effect pedals not bass specific ones.

the pac-bass has split pickups that I can route the strings to different amps, effects etc or run the whole bass in stereo. The jazz/retro 9 has MIDI. And the Conklin 11 will have MIDI too.

incubass 09-14-2005 05:17 PM

question:

Do you read/write using sheet music or tabs (or both...)

Papa Shank 09-17-2005 02:13 AM

[QUOTE=Jean Baudin][SIZE=1]I don't use a mute on the 9-strings. I had one when I first got it (and yes, there's a wristband on the pac-man bass - it's just for decoration it has a ghost on it). I actually use a lot of open strings in my playing so the mute/scrunchy thing hinders me.

the way I combat open strings from ringing (that I don't want ringing) is I use my right hand for lower strings and my left hand for high strings. so if I'm playing the A string my right thumb is on the E string and [/SIZE][SIZE=7]the meat[/SIZE] [SIZE=1]of my hand is on the B and F#. [/SIZE][SIZE=7]The meat[/SIZE][SIZE=1] of my left hand fingers mute the higher strings (in the above example that would be d, g, c etc.) - you can simply bar one finger across them all. Hope that helps.... if that doesn't make sense ask me to explain it better. hahaha. :p[/SIZE][/QUOTE]
where can I purchase this meat?

Tryxx 09-17-2005 10:55 PM

Jean, if there aren't pictures of The Joust on this forum on October I will end you.

Or just look at them on talkbass...
:p ;)

halfdeadhippo 09-18-2005 10:14 AM

[QUOTE=Tryxx]Jean, if there aren't pictures of The Joust on this forum on October I will end you.

Or just look at them on talkbass...
:p ;)[/QUOTE]
There already are pictures of the Joust on this forum...
[url]http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=7654930&postcount=73[/url]


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