[QUOTE=LeadSinger327]Hey Merkaba, don't know if you remember me. I'm the one dude with all the flem problems while singing emo lol...welp i think ive solved it...I do my warm ups all the time and I wrote my own song not trying to copy someone's vocals...kinda gave me a control of the music...like usually in other songs i try to hard to copy the guy, but when i write my own i can handle my own vocals (duh) so it sounds better, lol...and i just wanted you to hear one of my songs. and if you could please tell me if it sounds ok lol..welp thanks for all the help!

[URL=http://www.soundclick.com/bands/8/startingoverusmusic.htm]The Sound Click website[/URL]

Choose "She's a whore" for my original. And "Last Train Home" to hear me sing some other dude's song lol. Thanks much.

- Cody :D[/QUOTE]

I remember you. I'm just now getting around to this post. Its late and i have dial up so i dont feel like the potential time i might have to put into now. I'll check it out soon though! Glad to see youre making progress!

yo merkaba can you check out my scream samples i posted a while ago: [url]http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5871310&postcount=323[/url] and tell me if they sound like im doin it right?

thanks!

They all kinda sounded the same. It's not like horrible but you could definitly improve.

They all kinda sounded the same. It's not like horrible but you could definitly improve.

Coo... thanks. I didn't try to make them sound different tho.

I got a question. I would like to know how Josh from Norma Jean ( now in The Chariot) screams. It's so unique and I love it. What exact way would you approach his scream?

k my favorite singers are by far Bruce dickenson and sebastion bach (skid row)

I actaully have a pretty good range....ive spent a lot of work on smoothing my brakes (humming up and down ur range works really well as a drill)

how do you maintain 'depth' like dickenson or bolton does....like i can sing high enough with out falsetto but i just cant get that tone/depth....

sebastion bach....its not screaming but he does these incredible 'screaches' climaxs at the end of remember yesturday and quicksand......he like screams yet still sings.... like ive heard u kind of whisper but put more air??? im lost...(its not emo screaming or watever modern dayt punk stuff)

[QUOTE=ScorpSath]Ok post tips for singing and how to improve, or give sites.[/QUOTE]
check out the thread that the guy requests advice on screaming damaging your voice.i tried to give some good advice on throat care and singing from your gut,not your throat...hope it helps! :thumb: neil

[QUOTE=JayLink]Hmmmmm Interesting questions DaneCobain. I will try to answer them.
It is pretty sad when your own parents put you down, & call your singing crap. I was lucky. back in the day, both my parents were super supportive, even when I sucked starting out.
I think you parents might have "Issues" with your singing. You might ask them nicely, if they could just stay "Neutral", while you are learning your craft.
You style of music, especially if it's thrash, punk, or death metal, might be difficult for your parents to deal with, but hey, each generation has their own music.

Also, what you heard is NOT true. When your voice breaks & cracks & you go hoarse & feel some pain...that is your vocal chords telling you to "Lay off".There is some damage going on..So rest your voice, take large doses of Vitamin C, & some hot tea with a bit of honey...
& allow your vocal chords to heal...pushing your voice harder, will only result in permanent damage...

Good luck with your parents..I hope they cut you some slack...

Rock on...

Jay[/QUOTE]
i agree.dont push your voice before its had chance to develop properly :o

[QUOTE=King_Karl]i have the general problem of being unable to sing. I am ok with a mic but without it i suck. Is that normal? The style i (am trying to) sing is a rock/grunge thing. No need to worry about screaming tho cos i've got that nailed
:smoke:[/QUOTE]
hey there!just browsing and caught this thread....if you think you suck with no mic its probably because you havent spent enough time actually developing your voice,so you lack confidence...if you are comfortable with your voice with no mic,you will find that you can really surprise yourself with how good you sound through a mic.this is the thing:if you lack confidence you will always sound weak.lose yourself in the vocal.i mean completely lose yourself in the sound of your own voice.its a big help to block out everything around you and get into a sort of meditatve state.this will help you be less shy when you sing.i can not stress how important the self confidence thing is.and remember:you will probably always sound better to yourself when you can hide behind a wall of reverb and expensive p.a. gear.the important thing is to sound good in the shower,bus stop,wherever...good luck!

[QUOTE=King_Karl]i have the general problem of being unable to sing. I am ok with a mic but without it i suck. Is that normal? The style i (am trying to) sing is a rock/grunge thing. No need to worry about screaming tho cos i've got that nailed
:smoke:[/QUOTE]
hey there!just browsing and caught this thread....if you think you suck with no mic its probably because you havent spent enough time actually developing your voice,so you lack confidence...if you are comfortable with your voice with no mic,you will find that you can really surprise yourself with how good you sound through a mic.this is the thing:if you lack confidence you will always sound weak.lose yourself in the vocal.i mean completely lose yourself in the sound of your own voice.its a big help to block out everything around you and get into a sort of meditatve state.this will help you be less shy when you sing.i can not stress how important the self confidence thing is.and remember:you will probably always sound better to yourself when you can hide behind a wall of reverb and expensive p.a. gear.the important thing is to sound good in the shower,bus stop,wherever...good luck! :thumb:

Thanks for the comments. Can you try to put spaces after periods and commas? Thanks again.

[QUOTE=evil ernie]Got a question.

I'm singin for my metal band and we had a nice little gig last friday. We had a nice stage with big lights and stuff, and a smoke machine as well. I had quite a hard time singing and I think the smoke has something to do with it. My throat was dry and I couldn't hit the high notes I usually can sing. Maybe I just had a bad day though.
Has any of you ever experienced the same problems?[/QUOTE]
its bad enough doing gigs in a barroom full of cigarette smoke,add a smoke machine and yes,you are in for trouble.the key to singing well,after all is breathing.so,if you have a lungful of smoke all night,for sure its gonna take its toll...

[QUOTE=Def_Leppard_80s_Rock]Singing is all about how you learn to project air through your nose. Personally, i can either sing like im turning the volume up to ten or sing like im off. In order to sing loudly you have to build your diaphragm and your lungs so you don't die of breath. second of all, try your best to practise cutting your vocal chords abit although it might hurt. you dont want to have a soft voice, you want a rusty but clean go through your throat. when you scream, try to sing like axl rose or sing through your nose and it will help you find out wether you can sing or not.[/QUOTE]
?????sing through your nose??maybe if ya wanna sound like some sort of nasal country singer...

Hey I just ordered the book, 'singing for dummies' as my band are starting to go somewhere with the music and we need a singer so me and the other guitarist are learning

Anybody bought this book?!

I got the book for Christmas and im reading it now. It actually covers quite a bit and I think it'll help. The CD has exercises on it that are pretty good too. I suggest you read it all the way through from beginning to end, and do all the exercises when it says to since your a beginner. The books good for the basics, but I suggest that you get a vocal trainer eventually, for maybe even just a few lessons to at least get some good personalized warm up and warm down exercises. It'll save your voice, and make it possible to sing even on your worst days with colds, flu, bronchitis, whatever it is except for laryngitis. Good luck

Why thank you :)

Cant wait to get it now

Why cant everyone be as friendly and helpful :p

Cheers :D

dude so u scream with ur throat NOT with your gut??? cuz i know plenty of people who scream with their throat. HELP

I'm nervous enough as it is about singing and today my mother went and told my auntie :angry:

Who'l probs blab to everyone else

Why the f u ck like!?

:upset: *put off*

Singing for dummies is complicated

I think I need to go to a teacher

deadinlove,
singing for dummies really isnt that complicated after you start to learn some of the terms. The best thing for you to do is go straight to the CD and just work on the exercises, and read the comments in the book on each exercise. It tells you what your supposed to be feeling while you do the exercises.

[QUOTE=Screamin_Demon_Auz]deadinlove,
singing for dummies really isnt that complicated after you start to learn some of the terms. The best thing for you to do is go straight to the CD and just work on the exercises, and read the comments in the book on each exercise. It tells you what your supposed to be feeling while you do the exercises.[/QUOTE]

oh thanks man :)

I was hoping you'd reply

Everyones going out now so I'll go start :p

:thumb:

No problem,
start on Chapter 11 with the CD, its the chapter I believe that goes track by track with the CD

[QUOTE=deadinlove]I'm nervous enough as it is about singing and today my mother went and told my auntie :angry:

Who'l probs blab to everyone else

Why the f u ck like!?

:upset: *put off*

Singing for dummies is complicated

I think I need to go to a teacher[/QUOTE]
fvck em...hold on to the feelings and let it drive you to be better, and you can write a good song about it all. I've been through it too...sux.

[QUOTE=deadlikeme222]dude so u scream with ur throat NOT with your gut??? cuz i know plenty of people who scream with their throat. HELP[/QUOTE]
Actually its both but people just generally say the gut because you need to be brining the pressure from the gut. if you dont you will attempt to find the extra pressure that you need for the sound and affects by closing your throat off to let the pressure build behind the cords. This can lead to exponentially shorter work time, quicker fatigue, which equals less work done for the cords and muscles, and a higher chance of damage. But screaming with rasp is technically still using the throat because youre pushing extra air out past the cords onto the back of the throat. Its such a slight thing that i think I'm going to start referring to it as leaving the throat in the way. Because you just relax and you dont squeeze it down.

to sum up, you come from the gut, you activate the cords to get the tone you want with optimal balance, then after all that is down, then you work on getting it to sound distorted.

[QUOTE=Merkaba-1]fvck em...hold on to the feelings and let it drive you to be better, and you can write a good song about it all. I've been through it too...sux.[/QUOTE]

Cheers Merkaba :) :D

i have a specific question i would like to be answered please. im a begginer singer, and have started singing with my band, but i want to be able to sing like my heros (hetfield, zakk wylde, ect) but when i try i cant get that gruff growl kind of thing. as i said im a begginer and cant really afford lessons at this moment in time, so any advice will be appreciated :thumb:

[QUOTE=deadinlove]Cheers Merkaba :) :D[/QUOTE]
:chug:

[QUOTE]Yea I havent been able to start trying your execrises yet, but besides my desire to be the greatest guitarist ever (no joke, though i know there is no greatest ever) I would love to be able to sing.....I have been told i am tone deaf.....and i really started to believe it when i started playing guitar and i couldnt tune my own guitar.....My favorite singer is James Heitfield from Metallica, and i still try and match my voice to his all the time[/QUOTE]

Man, I am the exact same way.

hey, does anyone know of a bass singing blues? i would like to know because i am a bass and i would like to sing blues but i have never heard a bass in blues before

[QUOTE=fuel4fire]hey, does anyone know of a bass singing blues? i would like to know because i am a bass and i would like to sing blues but i have never heard a bass in blues before[/QUOTE]
Well do it. It would be more original. If youre worth a shlt.

i got 2 question.
1. who makes a cheap vocal processor and were can i get one.
2. were can i get a vocal warm up track and do u really need one.

1.Alesis Picoverb Processer is Approx. $80, Digitech Voco300 I believe its called is around $200. Alesis 3630 Compressor/Gate/Limiter is $100. Check them out

2.Look on GETSIGNED.COM for the two MP3s of Mark Baxters. Theres a warm up one and SECRETS OF SCREAMING

thanx :wave:

Yeah i'd like to know what type of voice does Cedric Bixler Zavala of the mars volta have? I'd say, tenor. I can sing and hit some of the notes he hits (but not as in tune or as strong, as I am new to singing, it'll take a while for me to sing like him) so I'd just like to know. Also, how do I know when I'm singing falsetto. I guess i'm a baritone, cause I can sing f#2 but my range is like almost 3 octaves! Do I have a high range or am I counting falsetto in this too? When do the notes you sing transition from your "normal" range into falsetto? Thanks guys.

can u just download the mp3s or do u have to buy them?

[QUOTE=guitarro777]Yeah i'd like to know what type of voice does Cedric Bixler Zavala of the mars volta have? I'd say, tenor. I can sing and hit some of the notes he hits (but not as in tune or as strong, as I am new to singing, it'll take a while for me to sing like him) so I'd just like to know. Also, how do I know when I'm singing falsetto. I guess i'm a baritone, cause I can sing f#2 but my range is like almost 3 octaves! Do I have a high range or am I counting falsetto in this too? When do the notes you sing transition from your "normal" range into falsetto? Thanks guys.[/QUOTE]
I like ced and mars and atdi's stuff.
Well i think its nearly impossible to tell from his work. As far as trying to find out where one lays in the Fach system its kinda a stickie area.

Its a system based on projection and resonance that was needed in the older operas and stuff in theatres. Its more or less based on where the voice breaks between registers and one has to really know where their true voice ends and falsetto starts or begins to start and whether or not youre trying to tense up to alter it. The voice back in those days needed to carry and resonance helped. You get resonance by having the tension all the way throught the cords uniformly...aka true voice. Once the cords start to lose this they dont vibrate as well and the tones dont reach to the back of the audience. Dont quote me on this but if you can hit the a or b above middle c in your normal voice, comfortably,....... then you might want to consider looking into tenorhood...again, dont quote me.

Today in rock we have so much falsetto and mixed voice that it just doesnt make that much of a difference. I think alot of people want to be or know the exception. Tenors are way more rare than baritones and people want to be a tenor or reach higher notes just because. its more about working with the instrument you have. Youre just not gonna get a good sounding treble out of a 16 inch woofer no matter how good you are. A tight baritone is way better than a sloppy tenor. Plus i know from experience that a good smokey baritone sound can raise the hairs on a girls neck if you can swoon,hehe... :naughty: I'm just addressing this issue in general because alot of people always ask about whats your range, whats my range, what am I , etc. Today it doesnt matter unless your doing classical music. Although, technically it does help to do music based on your voice....technically. But who does that?

I can do all of Ced's stuff dead on, at least what i've heard, but I'm not a tenor. Freeze without an answer, free from all the shame....Good stuff!

Is there any special technique used for runs? Those runs that Usher does on his new song are pretty fu[b][i][/b][/i]cking awesome... at one part he goes like 2 octaves down and then back up. I can't even do a 4 note run. Am I supposed to be doing them the same way I usually sing, or are they a totally different technique?

Hey guys I have a questions

Over the past 6 months (im nearly 18) my falsetto has gone weird (i dont use it often) when I try and go into the falsetto range it might hold a falsetto note for a sec, but then it sounds raspy or drops out of falsetto, then maybe back into falsetto

or sometimes i try and go falsetto but NO notes come out, just the sound of me breathing out

I dont smoke
Dont Drink alcohol or coffee

thanks alot

Quick question:
anyone got some chest-voice range expanding exercises for me?

here a simple vocal warm-up thingy
online+downloadable
[url]http://www.bobmarks.com/warmup.html[/url]