[QUOTE=Twat_Out_Of_Hell]Yeah, and wasn't medocre generica originally titled Shoot The Kids, or did i just make that up?[/QUOTE]

Yeah it was orginally called Shoot the Kids at School.

i thought it was shoot the kids up with heroin. :p

[QUOTE=cheeser_1]i rest my fuc[i]k[/i]ing case. i don't care what people say about their image, or how they convey their message, etc etc, blah blah blah, boo hoo hoo.


to the whiney kid:
they aren't running around offending people by stabbing old ladies. they aren't beating up black kids and burning crosses. they aren't blowing up children with car bombs. they're fuc[i]k[/i]ing musicians, and they're getting across the fuc[i]k[/i]ing truth, important things that most people don't care enough to notice, and you'll sit there and say "oh, but i do notice, i see the truth" and then stick your thumb up your as[i]s[/i] while 99.999% of this country isn't as enlightened as little old you. and that helps how? what good is that? you've got it figured out, therefore this offensiveness is unncessary? and who are you to judge art? are you an art critic? are you a musical prodigy? do you design album covers for a living? and even if so, nothing could qualify you to make the judgements you're making. get a life. if you can't handle the truth, buy your albums at stores that censor the artists. they're the best kinds of stores because they barely pay minumum wage and hire full-timers at 28 hours per week. oh i'm sorry, was that harsh dose of truth too much for your sad little ears?[/QUOTE]
Well gee wiz there cheeser, i guess i owe you an apology. For some stupid reason, i got the impression that these forums were here for people to express their opinions, but i guess i was wrong. Now that i realize this, why dont we all skip and frolic hand in hand to a nearby sunny medow and have a frank discussion about the greatness of the band Yellowcard.
Are you frigging serious, do you know how much of a complete moron you made yourself look like? Am i a critic? YES!!! In here, EVERYONE is a critic! That is the whole point of this place. You sit there and accuse me of not being able to handle the truth when thats not even the point im trying to make, and yet you get all teary eyed when someone critizes a band you like. If you had taken the time to actually read instead of spouting insults, you would have see that part where i said that i am against censorship, but that dosent mean i agree with it. But you are obviousley an all or nothing kind of person who cant appreciate why people might not agree with their choice of album covers, so i cannot possibly relate to you. Sketchyjoe on the other hand, that is the kind of person i can completely relate to. He agrees that he dosnet like thier over the top attention seeking antics, but that dosent stop him from listening to music he enjoys. And its not as if im making an outlandish unreasonable argment cheeser, for as many people there are like you who think my argument is stupid, there seems to be an equal amount of people here who agree, even some of thier fans. The only thing i know is that this place is specificly designed for people voicing opinions, some of us do it the right way, with maturity, backing up thier argument with reasonable statements. And then there are poeple like you, who feel the need to insult and make fools of themselves. I do have to remind myself however after looking at the poster profile thread that the average age of the people in here is about mid teenager. Well, i guess with pubes comes maturity, dont worry cheeser, someday you too will sprout a wonderful bush, then maybe we can have this discussion.

3qtzDrunk- First off, you're not being nearly as reasonable as you're claiming you are. And you're not a critic. You're a teenager living in your mothers basement, more than likely.

But to avoid a fight, how about this: How are they exploiting innocent people? Tell me exactly. I do not understand. How are they doing everything just for attention and no other purpose? Tell me exactly.

Don't say anything if it doesn't apply to those two questions.

There are definitely, not necessarily punks that are attention seeking, but bands that want to be labeled punks immediately.

So they make an album in stencil font saying "BAND NAME - F'UCK THE GOV'T" and every single song HAS to be about politics with political titles or else they may be considered posers.

It's not attention-seeking, it's more trying to fit in to category they want to be, or associated with the same bands.

It's trendy, but it's what they want. Atleast they're sending a positive, and truthful message and their sincerity and genuity will show up later, if they deserve it.

[QUOTE=Anti-Prefix]There are definitely, not necessarily punks that are attention seeking, but bands that want to be labeled punks immediately.

So they make an album in stencil font saying "BAND NAME - F'UCK THE GOV'T" and every single song HAS to be about politics with political titles or else they may be considered posers.

It's not attention-seeking, it's more trying to fit in to category they want to be, or associated with the same bands.

It's trendy, but it's what they want. Atleast they're sending a positive, and truthful message and their sincerity and genuity will show up later, if they deserve it.[/QUOTE]


That's like all most every punk band out the 70's.

[QUOTE=3qtzDrunk]Well gee wiz there cheeser, i guess i owe you an apology. For some stupid reason, i got the impression that these forums were here for people to express their opinions, but i guess i was wrong.[/QUOTE]
yeah, and your opinion is stupid, misinformed, and more or less wrong, in light of the facts of the matter.


and unseen2k0, you just shot way up on my "cool mxers" list. :chug:

[QUOTE=Unseen2k0]3qtzDrunk- First off, you're not being nearly as reasonable as you're claiming you are. And you're not a critic. You're a teenager living in your mothers basement, more than likely.

But to avoid a fight, how about this: How are they exploiting innocent people? Tell me exactly. I do not understand. How are they doing everything just for attention and no other purpose? Tell me exactly.

Don't say anything if it doesn't apply to those two questions.[/QUOTE]
''And once again i find myself bobbing my head to a mediocre song''
Sorry, that didnt really apply to anything, kind of like speculation about my age and where I live, which I shouldent really need to justify, other than saying im 23 and have my own beautiful place. But seeing as im replying to someone who told me to stay on topic after insulting me, i kind of though it fit. In case you dont know the definition of exlpoitation, here is a handy link to a dictionary: [url]www.dictionary.com[/url]. So lets forget about the throngs of evil people that were in that building for a minute, ill give you that, as a matter of fact, lets forget about everyone in that building if you want. How about the people in the plane? People coming from Boston, nowhere near the WTC, probably had nothing to do with anything. How about the firefighters and police who went up there to save people. Its those people I think about, just like I feel horrible for people in Iraq and other place we feel the need to bomb for no reason. And I never said that they do EVERYTHING for attention, but they do use attention seeking antics, which is fine to a point, but there is a line somewhere, for me at least, and for some other people who agree with what im saying, some of them even fans of the band. Im never going to tell someone they are stupid for thier opinion, because it is thier opinion. You have yours, I have mine. Plenty of people have disagreed with me, but i actually respect the people who write out well thought out posts, rather than talk about how someone is living in their parents basement, you are childish.

[QUOTE=cheeser_1]yeah, and your opinion is stupid, misinformed, and more or less wrong, in light of the facts of the matter.


and unseen2k0, you just shot way up on my "cool mxers" list. :chug:[/QUOTE]
As for you, i see that you are the kind of person who likes people who agree with you, and anyone who disagrees is a moron, and stupid. You cant respect other peoples opinions, so I suggest that maybe affiliating yourself with a political party wouldent be a bad idea. You can vote the party line with the rest of the Republicans or Democrats, and completley agree with anything they say, regardles of weather or not its stupid. After saying things like your opinion is stupid, your opinion is wrong, you pretty much lose all credibility. I would actually have some respect for you if you would write out something interesting without insulting people right away because you are insecure, but since you cant seem to do that, do the rest of us a favor by sticking your fingers in a wood chipper so you cant type anymore.

god dammit go away and let us enjoy our leftover crack and chocking victim thread in peace

[QUOTE=3qtzDrunk]As for you, i see that you are the kind of person who likes people who agree with you, and anyone who disagrees is a moron, and stupid. You cant respect other peoples opinions, so I suggest that maybe affiliating yourself with a political party wouldent be a bad idea. You can vote the party line with the rest of the Republicans or Democrats, and completley agree with anything they say, regardles of weather or not its stupid. After saying things like your opinion is stupid, your opinion is wrong, you pretty much lose all credibility. I would actually have some respect for you if you would write out something interesting without insulting people right away because you are insecure, but since you cant seem to do that, do the rest of us a favor by sticking your fingers in a wood chipper so you cant type anymore.[/QUOTE]
yeah. okay. it's my opinion that black people are intrinsically dumb. does that mean my opinion can't be wrong? so you have to respect my opinion and give it as much leverage as you would give the opinion that black people are no different from any other people (a scientific fact, by the way)?

and yes, that was obviously hypothetical.

you're an idiot, and when i call you an idiot, you prove me right. i'm not a party-line voter, i'm not a self-important idiot. you are. you'll sit there and insist that you have some high moral ground, and then tell us we have to respect your opinion on the basis of some sort of equal-opportunit-of-opinion-no-matter-how-dumb. the fact is that you are wrong. they make the art they want. deal with it.


and none of us know the definition of exlpoitation. why don't you fill us in, moron.

I Like Choking Victim

I Dont Like Leftover Crack

[QUOTE=WANK86]I Like Choking Victim

I Dont Like Leftover Crack[/QUOTE]

I like Leftover Crack's new album more than Choking Victim. But I like Choking Victim's over Leftover Cracks first album.

[QUOTE=3qtzDrunk]So lets forget about the throngs of evil people that were in that building for a minute, ill give you that, as a matter of fact, lets forget about everyone in that building if you want. How about the people in the plane? People coming from Boston, nowhere near the WTC, probably had nothing to do with anything. How about the firefighters and police who went up there to save people. Its those people I think about, just like I feel horrible for people in Iraq and other place we feel the need to bomb for no reason.

And I never said that they do EVERYTHING for attention, but they do use attention seeking antics, which is fine to a point, but there is a line somewhere, for me at least, and for some other people who agree with what im saying, some of them even fans of the band.[/QUOTE]

Okay, I cut everything you didn't need out of there.
Now where on the album cover do they show the fire fighters? Where in the songs do they sing about them dying? Where are the songs about the people on the plane or a zoomed in look at their faces? And I will overlook your ignorant police statement, you can find out about that on your own. Now how are they exploiting those people by not mentioning them or showing them? How?

Okay, so your answer is beginning to change, and you fail to answer the question. They have been singing songs like these before 9/11 with Clinton was President. How is this album any different from any other? And I ask this because you're not blowing up about any other one. And just because someone goes "I'm a fan of them, but I think they are attention seeking whores" doesn't mean they are fans. I can say I like you, but I don't agree with you. Doesn't mean it's true. So get back to me on those fine points.

I like choking victim and LoC but i don't like the sound of their newest album, the lyrics are good but their kind of losing their skacore and thats why i preffered their first albums.

theyre site is closed cuz they didnt pay to keep it up. for some reason that isnt shocking but i still love it

[QUOTE=Oi_addict]I like choking victim and LoC but i don't like the sound of their newest album, the lyrics are good but their kind of losing their skacore and thats why i preffered their first albums.[/QUOTE]
no they aren't, they still play ska as good as anybody else. and they still play other stuff too, like they always have.

[QUOTE=WANK86]I Like Choking Victim

I Dont Like Leftover Crack[/QUOTE]

Sort of hard to understand...considering members of CV are in LoC.

Check out InDK and Morning Glory.

n00b

[QUOTE=StuckPunk]Sort of hard to understand...considering members of CV are in LoC.

Check out InDK and Morning Glory.

n00b[/QUOTE]

Completely understandable. I like Op Ivy and don't like Rancid. Same members though.

[QUOTE=Brain Squirmin' Like a Toad]Completely understandable. I like Op Ivy and don't like Rancid. Same members though.[/QUOTE]
well, not really. they draw alot of different stuff into rancid, especially these days. and even when they started though, the first ST album was nothing at all like operation ivy (life won't wait was probably more like op ivy than anything else they did).

ps if you don't like rancid, you're a dummy face with a stupid head.

I just don't think StuckPunk has a valid opinion, he called InDK ska-punk, he obviously is trying to use knowing these bands as a way to look cool. And I think you are a dummy face too cheeser. I just can't stand Tim's voice in Rancid, never could, it doesn't tickle my fancy.

favourite loc song off mediocre - crack city rockers
favourite off FWT - Operation M.O.V.E.

Operation M.O.V.E. has a ****ing sweet bass intro. I think it's a bass...

[QUOTE=echos]
favourite off FWT - Operation M.O.V.E.[/QUOTE]

you [B]f[/B]ucking freak!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

My Favourite sonf off FWT is hmm either Burn Them Prisons or Gang Control..

^^That girl has style. The other guy is a f'ucking weirdo. uhhhhh.

Gang Control and One Dead Cop, no doubt.

Oh man thats an awesome song too... Too hard to pick a best song..
Some may say its all equal crap.. But thats what makes it so much more punk rock.

Totally.

Gang Control and Soon We'll Be Deads are mine. But the whole album is quite enjoyable.