lol, i never caught that. ty.
he tells me that it gets your voice back to talking level or something. lol.
he also has me warm down doing rolling the tongue (like a snake) from a high note to a low note...just in case you are were wondering how j0s1ah (joe) warms down.

Hey jay and silver.

I've got a question.
(first of all) i've been singing since i was a young) im 15 now but i personally feell i was a lot better when i was young. I was always complimented on how good i was etc and even got a solo at syndey's Opera House. (sorry thats my boasting finished)

As i've got older i've still stayed a singer and don't want to give up music at school cause i love it etc and still get good singing marks but not better. i can sing around 3.5-4 octaves. and i can do around 6 notes in my Falsetto. im probably just a (forgot the word starts with S, the one above bass) and normally get my better marks when singing either James Hetfield or Andy Kliedis (RHCP, Metallica)
My question, why can i personally not sing as well as i used to. i used to hit every note, and now it's kinda ehhh! I've been taught how to breathe and my diction is fine, it's just some notes i find hard... Will it get worse as i get older? Thanks...

well how old are you now?
and your range and ability will diminish a bit as you get older. especially way older. kinda depends on your workload. it could get better. especially if you have done anything to help it diminish, i.e. drinking, smoking, long bouts of coughing, etc. hard vocals and incorrect singing will help you lose ability as well.

baritone is the one above bass, then theres tenor, soprano is the highest for females.

voice varies with age. i tink.
my voice teacher says i am a tenor now, which is weird, i have a very low speaking voice, and i am 6"4, 205 pounds.
;)

Drinkin diminishes your voice? So all the crap about makin your voice better is crap!? im not sayin i drunk so my voice got better, but i thought that it made it stronger?
Ah! im 15 by the way.

well can you explain how it would make it stronger?
Alcohol by its very nature is a drying agent. by the time your body deals with it it has to get extra water from other areas and one of, if not the first place, it goes is your throat area. Dry cords equals less stamina and more likely hood of doing some degree of damage. I've never heard anything about alcohol making the voice better.

and i just covered this a bit in another post. but if youre fifteen youre more than likely still going through puberty. so you larynx has been getting bigger. this has a direct impact on your range. so if you cant reach the same notes then this may be part of the reason why. Its like trying to get a high pitch out of tuba. and vice versa, you cant get a bass tone out of a flute. the airway is just too small/large. in generally smaller larynxes can get higher notes. bigger ones get more bassy range. Keep visiting your upper head voice, properly. you have to work it to grow it. but dont strain.

i think he meant, it gives your voice a quick fix when it is feeling low...right?

^ never heard that either. but i could see how people might say that. the same with a quick smoke to help heat up the area. sometimes i think this is true, but the risks and damage outweigh any advantages conceivable.
Of course, alcohol can subdue your nerves and mental..which may help ease a little tension.

yeah, u said what i thought/meant.

hey guys, just posting some of my bands stuff :D hopefully you guys like it.

[url]http://www.soundclick.com/bands/4/stilllifetorontomusic.htm[/url]

i have a Billie Joe Armstrong - joel madden kind of voice.
but my problem is that i can't get a highier note..
not high enough..

what can i do?

^ you could be closing your throat off, hence not getting proper air flow for a good vibration. or you might just be unable to pull the cords tight enough to get a higher pitch. If youre trying to work on your range....well thats tricky. but im planning on posting something about that soon. warm up and practic high notes in your head voice, dont over push. range is greatly limited by the size of your larynx. if its big youre not gonna ever be able to get too high....well...it will just be very very difficult. shall i say

hey, iv been trying to work out the "sing with your larynx low" thing and i can do it but its kinda hard to pronounce the words right. Is there any excercises you can do for that....or am i just a strange,strange man?

isolation...

but the larynx is gonna move a bit...the key is to keep it relaxed. But in general you wann feel like youre trying to swallow an apple.

[QUOTE=appreciate_it]Hey jay and silver.

I've got a question.
(first of all) i've been singing since i was a young) im 15 now but i personally feell i was a lot better when i was young. I was always complimented on how good i was etc and even got a solo at syndey's Opera House. (sorry thats my boasting finished)

As i've got older i've still stayed a singer and don't want to give up music at school cause i love it etc and still get good singing marks but not better. i can sing around 3.5-4 octaves. and i can do around 6 notes in my Falsetto. im probably just a (forgot the word starts with S, the one above bass) and normally get my better marks when singing either James Hetfield or Andy Kliedis (RHCP, Metallica)
My question, why can i personally not sing as well as i used to. i used to hit every note, and now it's kinda ehhh! I've been taught how to breathe and my diction is fine, it's just some notes i find hard... Will it get worse as i get older? Thanks...[/QUOTE]

I think a lot of how good you sound is in a persons ego...

If when you were younger you were always told you had a really good voice, you would probably then be convinced you were an amazing superstar (whether you really were or not). But honestly think about it, who wants to hear a little kid sing? :lol: I suppose its ok for cute lullaby's or church songs... but other than that?

You don't really loose range as you grow older, your range changes and you can sing lower notes, and can't sing some of the higher ones you could before. I don't see this as a bad thing at all... all of my favourite singers are baritone singers.

I sugguest instead of killing yourself to hit notes you can't hit, to practise on notes that are more comfortable in your range. Try and find exactly what your range is... for example my full voice range runs from

G#2 (C3 being middle C) to A4. (With falsetto it runs to about E5).

Know yourself... know your limitations and do practise exercises to keep your voice and ear in good tone.

Yo fellow rock men and women.
My band started doing some Oasis stuff last month and they asked me to sing 'Don't Look Back In Anger'. I can sing and play guitar and everything, but this song bugs the hell out of me.
I can do the verses alright, but when it comes to the 'SOOOOOO Sally can wait' I sort have to hurt myself to do it, it sounds great, but then I have to do it again, 'SOOOOUUUULLLL' and my voice breaks a little, as in starts to croak, then when it comes 'Don't Look Back in Anger' my voice hearts like fook and I have to shout it. Apparently it sounds OK, but I'm really not comfortable with doing it for an audience.
Any tips on how I can stop this happening.

Also, I can sing in key, but how do I find the exact octave that the singer I'm trying to replicate is. For example of Don't Look Back In Anger, I'm sure I'm too high, higher than Noel anyway.

youre speaking kinda in a paradox. if youre having trouble reaching a high note yet youre sure youre singing higher...then youre probably singing the wronig note. the typical male voice wont cover more than 3.5 octaves and some four. if youre off by an octave...you can still be in key. otherwise drop it down an octave so you dont have to kill yourself.

[QUOTE=Knoxvillelives]Also, I can sing in key, but how do I find the exact octave that the singer I'm trying to replicate is. For example of Don't Look Back In Anger, I'm sure I'm too high, higher than Noel anyway.[/QUOTE]

I seriously doubt you're singing the octave up on these notes... and by seriously doubt I mean there is no way you are; unless you are doing them in falsetto. I think he is singing a high G or G# in this part... and to sing the octave up is notes in the soprano register. Most likely you're singing a higher harmony or you're not singing in key. Why not tape yourself singing the song and then listen to the song itself and see if you are singing the same note?

If you are having problems singing the song just tune your guitar a 1/2 step, or a full step down. Or just sing a lower harmony of the note instead... singing the octave down would take away from the song.

ps. I'm pretty sure on the first few pages of this thread I gave a lesson on how to sing a harmony.

I think I'm a bass barritone but I don't have that muich bass in my voice, I just sing lower.
I sing a little bit of backups in my band but the number is increasing cause I'm learning to sing backups by myself and on this forum, and last show we played I even got some nice compliments about it.
Another thing I want to learn is scream, I haven't seen it around this thread before so for once (maybe not once but what the heck :p) and for all: I'd like a Barritone scream (if you know what I mean, not the real Poison The Well or Reggie and the full effect scream, but more like Thrice and the few screams that Brand New uses (like in sic transit gloria glory fades).
If someone can give me a few pointers on this or a link to an existing post that I missed I'll be grateful :)

Rookie

nvm, I found the thread :)

sorry, for a stupid question, but when Bruce Dickinson used to sing very high notes, was it his falsetto or a god-given female voice. I mean, it doesn't really sound like falsetto

thanks

got a link to a sample?

Wait I'll get links to some Iron Maiden songs in a few minutes

[url]http://delit.net/music/ticket.phtml/8hkhfh1a8hka7hkaja8hcafa8aaa7hcaaabaaachzazapayakh8a/Iron%20Maiden%20-%2002%20-%20Children%20of%20the%20****ed.mp3[/url]

[url]http://delit.net/music/ticket.phtml/fjaj8jxffjaf6jafcffjjf8fffkf6jafffufkfjjpfpfzfvf6f8f/Iron%20Maiden%20-%2001%20-%20Aces%20High.mp3[/url]


The first is Children Of The ****rd (Listen to the chorus)

Second is Aces High (Listen to the end of song where he screams Aces haa hiiiiiiigh)

those links take me to the home page. ....???

$hit..........I don't know what's wrong........they work for me

[QUOTE=sliver]I seriously doubt you're singing the octave up on these notes... and by seriously doubt I mean there is no way you are; unless you are doing them in falsetto. I think he is singing a high G or G# in this part... and to sing the octave up is notes in the soprano register. Most likely you're singing a higher harmony or you're not singing in key. Why not tape yourself singing the song and then listen to the song itself and see if you are singing the same note?

If you are having problems singing the song just tune your guitar a 1/2 step, or a full step down. Or just sing a lower harmony of the note instead... singing the octave down would take away from the song.

ps. I'm pretty sure on the first few pages of this thread I gave a lesson on how to sing a harmony.[/QUOTE]

Ah, I did tape myself and it sounded right, pretty much perfect if I do say so myself, I guess I was just surprised how hard it was to get that 'Soooo!' note, I mean I can, but you have to hit about three times in 15 seconds and I can't do that, effectively anyway.
Looks like that songs out of the set list then.
Thanks guys

when do you have to do the song?

if you can hit the note but cant hit it in succession, you should keep doing it so that you can build enough strength and be able to hit that type of note later and be able to hit similar notes later.

[QUOTE=Knoxvillelives]Ah, I did tape myself and it sounded right, pretty much perfect if I do say so myself, I guess I was just surprised how hard it was to get that 'Soooo!' note, I mean I can, but you have to hit about three times in 15 seconds and I can't do that, effectively anyway.
Looks like that songs out of the set list then.
Thanks guys[/QUOTE]


Dude did you not read the post: you don't have to sing the high note all the time! You can do a lower harmony 2/3 of the time, and then save the high notes for the end.

Or you can push yourself and practise doing the high note more, don't just give up! That's lame :thumb: