He spends all his time bitching about "Metallica" this and "Kirk Hammett is crap" that. It's pathetic. And deliberately trying to make Lars feel bad about something that happened 20 years ago!

Lars cryed at that interview. I'd make Lars cry too, because he's an egotistical Danish midget.

And the reason Mustaine is angry still, is because of the way they did it, and really, if you were kicked out of a band that would become the most recognizable name in metal, wouldn't you be pissed off?

Best songs off Load/ReLoad imo:

King Nothing
Until It Sleeps
Bleeding Me
Outlaw Torn
Devil's Dance
Carpe Diem Baby
Where the Wild Things Are
Low Man's Lyric
Fixxxer

[QUOTE]He spends all his time bitching about "Metallica" this and "Kirk Hammett is crap" that. It's pathetic. And deliberately trying to make Lars feel bad about something that happened 20 years ago![/QUOTE]


Dude he says Lars is crap. He says he doesn't care bout Kirk replacin' him. Who cares if he's trying to make Lars feel bad. It's their personal life i could care less what he's trying to do. Megadeth is fuxin awesome and Metallica is fuxin awesome and that's really all that matters.

[QUOTE=iluvkirkhammett]He spends all his time bitching about "Metallica" this and "Kirk Hammett is crap" that. It's pathetic. And deliberately trying to make Lars feel bad about something that happened 20 years ago![/QUOTE]
I don't think you can say he spends all his time bitching, if that was the case, I strongly doubt he would have written as many GREAT albums/songs as he has.

I don't care if it happened 20 minutes ago, or 20 years ago, I can totally see where Mustaine is coming from with his HATE for Metallica, and if I was in the same position, I too would hate them.

It's fairly easy to say you wouldn't hold a grudge for that long, but when you think what it's really about, you have to admit you would too.

That is too big not to hold a grudge for.

[QUOTE=Chu]I don't think you can say he spends all his time bitching, if that was the case, I strongly doubt he would have written as many GREAT albums/songs as he has.

I don't care if it happened 20 minutes ago, or 20 years ago, I can totally see where Mustaine is coming from with his HATE for Metallica, and if I was in the same position, I too would hate them.

It's fairly easy to say you wouldn't hold a grudge for that long, but when you think what it's really about, you have to admit you would too.

That is too big not to hold a grudge for.[/QUOTE]

It was his own damn fault! Doesn't he realise that he was a hazard to everyone around him! They had to do it!

He has more success than most musicians could ever dream of, why can't he just be happy with that? It's only because Metallica got so big that he really cares at all.

And what right does he have to sit there and say "Oh I wish Cliff was here" just to make Lars feel bad, knowing damn well that all of Metallica's issues go back to Cliff.

Dave makes me so angry...!

If I was in a band that was as successful as Megadeth, I wouldn't be bitching about not being in Metallica.

It was so long ago, GET OVER IT!

(And he has no right going on and on about Kirk Hammett being such a 'bad guitarist' and just being a 'copier', it's not Kirk's fault the others decided to get rid of him.)

<3 Metallica <3

I don't see how it makes much of a difference on the artist if they have personal problems, or they're just an as$hole.thats there problem to deal with, and not ours discuss.Megadeth and Metallica make awesome music (with the exception of a few songs down the $hitter) and thats the only reason we ever listen to them i the first place.for example, my uncle refuses to listen to megadeth coz dave made mechanix, which is the first version of the four horsemen. and thats stupid coz megadeth does have some of the best thrash songs out there.
Basically my point is that the artists' personality or background shouldn't affect the mass appeal of their music watsoever.

[QUOTE=iluvkirkhammett]It was his own damn fault! Doesn't he realise that he was a hazard to everyone around him! They had to do it![/quote]

Once again, you show how much of an idiot you are. Hetfield was a drunk for 20 years, but yet he gets a chance to go to rehab. Mustaine didn't. He got thrown out of the band when they were in New York. He had no money, no place to stay. He slept on a Greyhound bus for 2 days, going back to LA.


[quote]He has more success than most musicians could ever dream of, why can't he just be happy with that? It's only because Metallica got so big that he really cares at all.[/quote]
You're damn right. Mustaine is angry at himself, and the rest of them. If you were kicked out of arguably the most successful metal band ever, you'd be angry too. You'd hold a grudge too.

[quote]And what right does he have to sit there and say "Oh I wish Cliff was here" just to make Lars feel bad, knowing damn well that all of Metallica's issues go back to Cliff.[/quote]
He has all the right in the world to say that. He didn't say it to make Lars feel bad, he said it because it's tr00f. If Cliff and Hetfield were in that room, the three men who kicked Mustaine out (one of them being best friends with Dave) would be able to talk with him like men.

Mustaine had the utmost respect for Cliff too, even after he got kicked out.

[quote]Dave makes me so angry...![/quote]
Dave makes Dissection and Kerry King angry too.

[quote]If I was in a band that was as successful as Megadeth, I wouldn't be bitching about not being in Metallica.[/quote]
Megadeth was hardly successful out of metal circles, something that Metallica was. That's another factor in why Mustaine has held the grudge for so long.

[quote]It was so long ago, GET OVER IT![/quote]
He'll never get over it. He has all the right in the world to be angry.

[quote](And he has no right going on and on about Kirk Hammett being such a 'bad guitarist' and just being a 'copier', it's not Kirk's fault the others decided to get rid of him.)[/QUOTE]
Again, Mustaine has all the right in the world to be angry. Especially when he's right. Mustaine has said "I'm happy that he makes use of what talent that he has.", or something to that effect, referring to Hammett. He's exactly right. What talent Hammett has, he's made good use of it.

Hammett, however, can't hold a candle to Friedman, or Alex Skolnick. Skolnick is better than Friedman, too, imo.

[QUOTE]Once again, you show how much of an idiot you are. Hetfield was a drunk for 20 years, but yet he gets a chance to go to rehab. Mustaine didn't. He got thrown out of the band when they were in New York. He had no money, no place to stay. He slept on a Greyhound bus for 2 days, going back to LA.[/QUOTE]

Yes but Hetfield didn't put beer in someone's pickups with the intent to shock them, he didn't judo throw people... Mustaine was a terrible terrible drunk, he was angry and violent and you can't blame them for not wanting to be around him.

Mustaine was kicked out before most of the success even happened. A couple of the songs he wrote were part of their success but at the same time most of what they've done he hasn't even been a part of.

And every single thing he said in the meeting with Lars was specifically said to make Lars feel bad, there was no other purpose but that. He wasn't trying to fix things for anyone but himself. The meeting shows how incredibly selfish Dave is. It's been over 20 years.

Jason hasn't even been out for half that time and he's already saying that Metallica is better off without him. Different circumstances, I know, but still.

[QUOTE=vashts80]Once again, misunderstandings are the best thing in the world. You said, and I quote, "Playing good sounding basslines > playing bad sounding technical basslines. Afterall, most people listen because it sounds good, not cause it's technical."

What I was implying by listing those bands is that they have very technical, good sounding basslines.[/QUOTE]

I wasn't implying technical basslines can't sound good. I was saying good sounding basslines, even if simple, can sound better than some more technical basslines.

[QUOTE=vashts80]I can tell them that they're horrendously wrong, and that Britney Spears doesn't play any instruments other than her voice, thereby making her not the best musician in the world, because they are many other vocalists that are better on a technical basis, not to mention there are many other musicians who play guitar and vocals, or bass and vocals, or even drums and vocals (Chris Reifert)[/QUOTE]

Best sounding doesn't have anything to do with talent, technicality, speed, or anything else really. Not all people prefer heavy metal music. Therefore, to them softer music sounds better, and you can't tell them they're wrong for thinking a certain music sounds better to them.

[QUOTE=vashts80]I'm not arguing that.

People seem to misinterpret what I'm saying.

There are certain facts, such as:

Dave Mustaine and/or Marty Friedman, in Megadeth, are better guitar players than Kirk Hammett, in Metallica.

Jason Newsted, in Metallica, was a better [b]bass player[/b], than Cliff Burton was, in Metallica.

Gene Hoglan, in Death, was a better drummer than Lars Ulrich is, in Metallica.

You cannot change facts, folks. The facts are, that as a bassplayer, Jason Newsted is better than Cliff Burton was. You're not going to change that fact.[/QUOTE]

I don't consider a musician to be great, if he can't write great material. I could care less if a guitarist can shred and play at amazing speeds, if he can't write anything good, I don't consider him good. So perhaps that's just what I consider good. Either way, I prefer cliff's music, and his work with metallica much more than Jason's.

[QUOTE=SugarCoatedSour]Metallica is a pretentious, 1 dimensional band that could only cohesively make such an impact in America...thats about it.[/QUOTE]

You're not worth replying to.

Anyways,

Happy Holidays everyone. Enjoy the time off if you have it. :thumb:

I try not to read too much into things but I find it interesting that Hammet makes a few remarks about a solo album in Guitarworld that he wants to do that sounds nothing like Metallica. It just strikes me as odd.....sure they are working on an album for 06 but just maybe.........he see's a couple or few more albums then they're history.?!?


I also think this time around in the studio may be their most difficult time to date. They have never admited or acknowledged the backlash of disappointment of St.Anger but I think there will be a lot of second guessing themselves on what sounds good and what does'nt.


Thier older albums sound as if they knew exactly what wanted to do and they went into the studio and produced "balls to the walls metal up your a**". I don't know if they have all that anymore, but I think they can still put out a good album***finger's crossed**It would be oh so interesting to hear someone else work with them other than B.Rock. He is practically thier older brother......so its really a family.Bobby will be there till the end.

He probably wouldn't leave metallica if he had a solo record out. I mean it would be pointless to have a solo album that sounds like metallica, plus be with metallica and have an album with metallica. He probably would want to try different styles and stuff. And if they wanted to go back and make a thrash record like KEA, I'm pretty sure Bob couldn't do anything to stop them. But they'll probably just keep changing on the next albums also. I'm very interested in hearing what they're going to come up with next.

This will be thier most highly anticipated album fo sho:p

[QUOTE=DaveTheAmazing 2.0]Hey guys can someone here with guitar pro lend me hand. I' learning Orion. I'm on this riff:
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|--------2----------4----------5--|
|--------2----------4----------5--|
|--------0----------2----------3--|
|0--0-0----0-0-0-0----0-0-0-0----|

You know the one? Well, when I'm playing along with it, I can play that part i just tabbed, but the 0-0-0-0-0-0-1-0-0-0-0 or whatever it is after it, I just don't get. The tab of orion I got from MSB, I dunno, its wrong because when I try it it doesn't sound write. can anyone upload a small gp4 file of that riff? It would be much appretiated <3[/QUOTE]
Here's a screenshot of what I got on PowerTab:

[url]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v476/thedeadwalk/untitled.jpg[/url]

I find it funny how everyone goes on about how amazing Cliff's songwriting was, when he only gets credited on 10 songs from their first 3 albums. Add to that it was probably Hetfield doing the majority of the writing in those songs anyway.

To AR: Cliff taught Hetfield most of what he knows aboot music theory. He wrote a lot of the guitar stuff on Puppets too, I'm pretty sure.

[QUOTE=iluvkirkhammett]Yes but Hetfield didn't put beer in someone's pickups with the intent to shock them, he didn't judo throw people... Mustaine was a terrible terrible drunk, he was angry and violent and you can't blame them for not wanting to be around him.[/quote]
Hetfield wasn't a violent drunk, no. However, he had 20 years to ditch the problem, and it took a 12 month rehab trip to cure him. Mustaine never got that chance. He never got rehab. The band never said "Hey, Dave, you need to go to rehab because you're a violent drunk." Instead, they threw him out, in New York, with just enough money to get a Greyhound bus back to LA.

[quote]Mustaine was kicked out before most of the success even happened. A couple of the songs he wrote were part of their success but at the same time most of what they've done he hasn't even been a part of.[/quote]
"A couple"? Try, almost the entire first album was written by him and Hetfield alone, plus two or three of the songs on Lightning.

[quote]And every single thing he said in the meeting with Lars was specifically said to make Lars feel bad, there was no other purpose but that. He wasn't trying to fix things for anyone but himself. The meeting shows how incredibly selfish Dave is. It's been over 20 years.[/quote]
Were you present at the meeting with Lars and Dave? That meeting was over 3 hours. They showed 5 minutes. You don't know jack about the meeting, nor do I. You have no idea apart from the 5 minutes they showed, which are obviously going to show Lars in the most positive light they can and will make Dave out to be the selfish prick.

[QUOTE=iluvkirkhammett]It was his own damn fault! Doesn't he realise that he was a hazard to everyone around him! They had to do it![/quote]
Maybe they had to do it, but the way they went about doing it was so cold.

[QUOTE=iluvkirkhammett]He has more success than most musicians could ever dream of, why can't he just be happy with that? It's only because Metallica got so big that he really cares at all.[/quote]
It's not the fact Metallica got so big, Mustaine put his blood, sweat and tears into Metallica, only to literally be kicked on the streets. I doubt anyone here could even comprehend how that feels, no one here knows what to do in that situation, so stop marking Dave for holding a grudge when I'm pretty certain you would too (I know I would :cool: ).

[QUOTE=iluvkirkhammett]And what right does he have to sit there and say "Oh I wish Cliff was here" just to make Lars feel bad, knowing damn well that all of Metallica's issues go back to Cliff.[/quote]
Mustaine was great friends with Cliff, even to the point where he wrote a song dedicated for Cliff, I personally believe Mustaine has more right to call Cliff a friend then Lars.

[QUOTE=iluvkirkhammett]It was so long ago, GET OVER IT![/quote]
Maybe because you're female, and females don't hold grudges for as long as males, but I'm sure most people on this forum would still be holding the grudge 40+ years, it's the way it was done, if you put so much into something, only to be kicked into the cold.

I totally respect Mustaine for starting Megadeth, I see it as a "You didn't think I was good enough, well here I come to prove you wrong!" sort of thing, and that is so perfect for me, that gives me inspiration to continue and push myself to the best of ability I can. I like to relate myself to a similar situation to Mustaine, but I know there are too many factors to be accurate :mad:

[QUOTE=Aw3someman]its Ultimate guitar

[url]http://www.ultimate-guitar.com[/url]
Crappy forums good tabs.[/QUOTE]

they completly copied us!!! or we copied them.....

[QUOTE=vashts80]Hetfield wasn't a violent drunk, no. However, he had 20 years to ditch the problem, and it took a 12 month rehab trip to cure him. Mustaine never got that chance. He never got rehab. The band never said "Hey, Dave, you need to go to rehab because you're a violent drunk." Instead, they threw him out, in New York, with just enough money to get a Greyhound bus back to LA.[/QUOTE]

I'm not going to say what they did was nice, which obviously wasn't, but the reason they just kicked him out was problem because they just got signed like a year before, and didn't want to risk it. Plus hetfield was never acting as a maniac, and beating people up when he was drunk. And hetfield was co-founder of metallica, so that's probably the main reason. So yea, they were very cruel to kicking him out, but it is [B]his[/B] fault.

[QUOTE=vashts80]"A couple"? Try, almost the entire first album was written by him and Hetfield alone, plus two or three of the songs on Lightning.[/QUOTE]

Actually, mustaine only helped write 4/10 songs on kill em all. Those are the four horsemen, jump in the fire, phantom lord, and metal militia. On ride the lightning, he only helped write 2 songs which are ride the lightning, and the call of ktulu. Hetfield and Ulrich have and still write most of metallica material. Out of those he helped write, I gotta say the call of ktulu kicks the most as[B]s[/B]. But on KEA, Seek and destroy is best imo.

[QUOTE=vashts80]
Hetfield wasn't a violent drunk, no. However, he had 20 years to ditch the problem, and it took a 12 month rehab trip to cure him. Mustaine never got that chance. He never got rehab. The band never said "Hey, Dave, you need to go to rehab because you're a violent drunk." Instead, they threw him out, in New York, with just enough money to get a Greyhound bus back to LA.

[/quote]

You've pretty much just copied exactly what he said in SKOM, congratulations, you have a good memory.

[quote]
"A couple"? Try, almost the entire first album was written by him and Hetfield alone, plus two or three of the songs on Lightning.
[/quote]

Hetfield and Ulrich have pretty much always been the two main songwriters for Metallica.

[quote]
Were you present at the meeting with Lars and Dave? That meeting was over 3 hours. They showed 5 minutes. You don't know jack about the meeting, nor do I. You have no idea apart from the 5 minutes they showed, which are obviously going to show Lars in the most positive light they can and will make Dave out to be the selfish prick.[/QUOTE]

I didn't have to be present to know what the hell was going on. Dave was sitting there talking and Lars quite obviously was uncomfortable with it.

Look you can say whatever you want, what's done is done and sitting there whinging about it doesn't change a damn thing, and Dave should realise that too. He's a great guitarist, not a bad vocalist, his found success with Megadeth, they're not as big as Metallica but who cares. He can't change a what happened.

It was crap what happened to him. It was also terrible the way James, Lars and even Kirk to a certain extent, treated Jason for 14 years. And it was tragic the way in which Cliff died. But you can't change it.

Oh and to Chu: My sister's boyfriend and my best friend died in a car accident almost 3 years ago. Simply because he was my friend, does that give me the right to rub it in her face everytime she does something really mean to me?

[QUOTE=thedeadwalk!]Here's a screenshot of what I got on PowerTab:

[url]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v476/thedeadwalk/untitled.jpg[/url][/QUOTE]
Thanks, but that didn't really help at all. I tried tabbing that out onto guitar pro, but i got confused and now I'm more confused than ever! thanks for the effort tho <3

Why are you guys making such huge posts? I don't wanna have to read all that!

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I got 'Kill 'Em All' and 'ReLoad' for Christmas, I now have every Metallica Studio album

[QUOTE=Doctor Night]Why are you guys making such huge posts? I don't wanna have to read all that!

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I got 'Kill 'Em All' and 'ReLoad' for Christmas, I now have every Metallica Studio album[/QUOTE]
hahaha you remind me of kirk from SKOM, telling everyone to stop arguing and bringing something more cheery up. gg.

I don't think Kirk actually ever be mean to anyone. I mean listen and take a look at the guy.

[QUOTE=Doctor Night]Why are you guys making such huge posts? I don't wanna have to read all that!

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I got 'Kill 'Em All' and 'ReLoad' for Christmas, I now have every Metallica Studio album[/QUOTE]
I got a couple of LTE cds and a DT DVD. they're yet to arrive though. I already have every 'Tallica studio album :)

So I got Kill 'Em All for Xmas, it's good since the fact it was one of the first pieces of thrash.

[QUOTE=Cathedral]So I got Kill 'Em All for Xmas, it's good since the fact it was one of the first pieces of thrash.[/QUOTE]
Heh when I first heard that, the thrashiest thing I had ever heard was the stuff of Reload. I sat there and was like "wow". Obviously I know now that KEA isn't all that thrashy but still.

[QUOTE=iluvkirkhammett]
I didn't have to be present to know what the hell was going on. Dave was sitting there talking and Lars quite obviously was uncomfortable with it.

Look you can say whatever you want, what's done is done and sitting there whinging about it doesn't change a damn thing, and Dave should realise that too. He's a great guitarist, not a bad vocalist, his found success with Megadeth, they're not as big as Metallica but who cares. He can't change a what happened.[/QUOTE]
You don't have to be present to know what the hell was going on? So I could make accusations about a person I don't know, while only seeing 5 minutes of a meeting that was 3 hours or more? Nice logic.

They spliced that meeting up to make Dave out to be a selfish prick, which is exactly what you're buying into.

Megadeth hardly had success. Outside of metal circles, they're not successful at all compared to Metallica. Megadeth has sold ~16,000,000 records in 21 years. Metallica has sold ~105,000,000 records in 23 years. Go figure.

Hey Vashts80 why do you always come back and cause arguments in this thread, if you don't like the band then just leave the thread alone.

Ignorance is bliss. It's not that I don't like the band; I was one of the biggest Metallica fanboy's you'd have ever met if you talked to me a year and a half ago. iluvkirkhammett keeps providing fuel for the fire of my "arguements", which aren't even arguements at all.