[QUOTE=Apocalyptic Raids]DiGiorgio and Harris own Cliff.[/QUOTE]

Harris is another double edged sword. In terms of songwriting, Harris slays a lot of people in the "big 5" of thrash, but at the same time, his basslines are really only "galloping" the root notes. On the other hand, actually playing his lines still provides satisfaction (at least for me, anyway), whereas playing Metallica basslines doesn't really do anything for me anymore.

[QUOTE=heavy metal kid]Playing a bass like a guitar, shows how much you can expand your bass sound and technique, besides, Cliff did a little more than that.[/QUOTE]

I'm not saying that bass can't be played like a guitar, because it certainly can, however people make Cliff out to be great because either of his solos, or his songwriting skills (which doesn't equal good bassplaying by any means...Chuck Schuldiner was an amazing song writer, but I doubt he'd be Steve DiGiorgio caliber if he picked up a bass during the Individual Thought Patterns recordings)

My English isn't really good, despite me being born and raised in America and having the praise of all of my English teachers for being a good speaker, heh.

Just there's no denying that he was the right bass player for Metallica at that point in time, as Jason was for 14 years and now hopefully Rob is.

[QUOTE=vashts80]ZOMGZ CLIFF WAS BASS GOD LOLZ

Distortion and wah with scale arpeggios doesn't make him God. I realize that you're not implying that he was, but that's besides the point: Cliff wasn't as "Godly" , as a bass player, as people make him out to be. End.[/QUOTE]

If nobody said he was God, Why are you posting this crap? We realize he's not God, just move on with the discussion. Geez. If someone posts, "Cliff is a God" then reply him with that statement.

Anyways, back to the discussion, he was a good bass player, was in a good metal band, and at the good time. Plus him and metallica came up with lots of great songs. Metallica [I]probably[/I] wouldn't be where they are at now, if Cliff didn't joined them. I really think James was and is still the heart of metallica, but there's no denying that cliff did some great songwritting. So yea, he was a great musician overall. We'll see what Rob comes up with. I hope that it's better than Burton's stuff.

James and Lars are the heart of the band, everything they do has Hetfield and Ulrich written all over it with the occassional Hammett, Newsted or Burton after their names.

[QUOTE=iluvkirkhammett]James and Lars are the heart of the band, everything they do has Hetfield and Ulrich written all over it with the occassional Hammett, Newsted or Burton after their names.[/QUOTE]

Yes after Cliff

But when Cliff was there it was revloved around them three:)
Cliff dident play bass for that long but he would anyday own Jason, Rob, and lol Ron with hes amazing bass solo's and his amazing basslines for the first 3 albums. And also im pretty glad they muted the bass for AJFA well not muted anyway cause like 1/4 of that album was already made when they were on tour with Master of Puppets( eg. Orion)

Cliff RIP

[QUOTE=iluvkirkhammett]James and Lars are the heart of the band, everything they do has Hetfield and Ulrich written all over it with the occassional Hammett, Newsted or Burton after their names.[/QUOTE]

Oh and also i feel sorry for Kirk cause on Some kind of monster james and lars were arguing over the album and james said to lars "it always has to be about you, you should see how i feel" and then kirk says to both of them " now you know how i feel"

lol

[QUOTE=.:Thrasher:.]Yes after Cliff

But when Cliff was there it was revloved around them three:)
Cliff dident play bass for that long but he would anyday own Jason, Rob, and lol Ron with hes amazing bass solo's and his amazing basslines for the first 3 albums. And also im pretty glad they muted the bass for AJFA well not muted anyway cause like 1/4 of that album was already made when they were on tour with Master of Puppets( eg. Orion)

Cliff RIP[/QUOTE]

What? Muting Jason was the most disrespectful thing that they could have ever done. He worked so hard on that album, and then when he listens to it he's practically not even on it.

They accepted him into the band so they should have let him do his part. He was in, but he wasn't really in until the black album.

Plus, Newsted wrote parts of Blackened, so they could have at least let him be heard for his song. Lars has said that he is uncomfortable with the album.

[QUOTE=iluvkirkhammett]What? Muting Jason was the most disrespectful thing that they could have ever done. He worked so hard on that album, and then when he listens to it he's practically not even on it.

They accepted him into the band so they should have let him do his part. He was in, but he wasn't really in until the black album.

Plus, Newsted wrote parts of Blackened, so they could have at least let him be heard for his song. Lars has said that he is uncomfortable with the album.[/QUOTE]

You no they did that cause they lost a friend and one of the best bassist so they did it out of respect for Cliff

And from seeing SKOM, and all they Metallica Docs it looks like they rushed getting a bassist and that time and also with Rob

So to me i think they silenced the bass cause Cliff died :upset:

[QUOTE=.:Thrasher:.]You no they did that cause they lost a friend and one of the best bassist so they did it out of respect for Cliff

And from seeing SKOM, and all they Metallica Docs it looks like they rushed getting a bassist and that time and also with Rob

So to me i think they silenced the bass cause Cliff died :upset:[/QUOTE]

I can totally understand why the did it, but that doesn't make it right. Simply abusing someone because your upset and your hurt doesn't make your actions right.

Cliff's death was tragic. And they did rush getting a bass player. But that wasn't Jason's fault.

Rob > Jason > Cliff in terms of total talent. Tr00f.

Try and prove me wrong. Just try it. I dare you.

Anyway, the bass on Justice should have been turned up. The basslines on that album are amazing.

[QUOTE=iluvkirkhammett]I can totally understand why the did it, but that doesn't make it right. Simply abusing someone because your upset and your hurt doesn't make your actions right.

Cliff's death was tragic. And they did rush getting a bass player. But that wasn't Jason's fault.[/QUOTE]

Well Jason should of known what he was coming into through the fact that there bass player got [B]CRUSHED!!![/B]and there recently picking a bassist.

You're a complete moron. Thank you.

Whether Cliff died in a bus accident, or he left the band, it makes no difference. Jason came in, and he got disrespected until the very end. Whether it was disrespect in the studio (Justice mixing), disrespect on stage (being the waitress for James, or whatever), or disrespect on other subjects (side projects), Jason was that band's bass player and backup vocalist for 14 years. He should have gotten more respect than he did.

[QUOTE=vashts80]Rob > Jason > Cliff in terms of total talent. Tr00f.

Try and prove me wrong. Just try it. I dare you.

Anyway, the bass on Justice should have been turned up. The basslines on that album are amazing.[/QUOTE]

Thats your thought

I pick Cliff over all because he is an amazing bassist and is much better than all that were in Metallica.

[QUOTE=vashts80]You're a complete moron. Thank you.

Whether Cliff died in a bus accident, or he left the band, it makes no difference. Jason came in, and he got disrespected until the very end. Whether it was disrespect in the studio (Justice mixing), disrespect on stage (being the waitress for James, or whatever), or disrespect on other subjects (side projects), Jason was that band's bass player and backup vocalist for 14 years. He should have gotten more respect than he did.[/QUOTE]

Finally, SOMEONE who agrees with me!

The only time it got better for Jason was towards the very end when at least Lars and Kirk stopped disrespecting him. James continued right to the end, but he was a different person back then.

To Thrasher:

Man, it's pretty sad that people don't comprehend this. This is what I mean when people say how Cliff was so good on bass: he wasn't. He was a decent bass player, nothing more. As a songwriter, was he bad? No. Was he absolutely amazing? No. He was a good song writer for the thrash that the Bay Area produced. He wasn't a super duper extraordinary bass player. Take it from an actual bass player.

If you're going to say Cliff is better than Jason and Rob, that's like saying that Kirk Hammett is better than Marty Friedman and Dave Mustaine, or that Kurt Cobain was better than Steve Vai. It's not true, at all. It's like saying that Lars Ulrich is better than Gene Hoglan or Richard Christy...it's not true.

[QUOTE=vashts80]You're a complete moron. Thank you.

Whether Cliff died in a bus accident, or he left the band, it makes no difference. Jason came in, and he got disrespected until the very end. Whether it was disrespect in the studio (Justice mixing), disrespect on stage (being the waitress for James, or whatever), or disrespect on other subjects (side projects), Jason was that band's bass player and backup vocalist for 14 years. He should have gotten more respect than he did.[/QUOTE]

lol what they did to him

I was watching a Doc on them and they were at a bar and a camera guy was there. the cam dude said to lars weres jason and lars said i dont no and then he said having a great time without ya jason.

the wasabi

And also they told him that the drinks in the hotel frige were free so he nearly drank them all and then he had a huge bill at the end lol

:naughty:

Kirk Hammett is better then Dave Mustaine though.

To Thrasher: Yeah, because that's really a fun way to welcome your new bass player into the band! If I was treated like that, I'd walk straight out of that band, whether it was some garage band, or a band as famous as Led Zeppelin (which, coincidentially, I hate)

To iluvkirkhammett: No, he's not. He's not nearly as good as Mustaine is. Technical wise, or composing wise.

[QUOTE=.:Thrasher:.]lol what they did to him

I was watching a Doc on them and they were at a bar and a camera guy was there. the cam dude said to lars weres jason and lars said i dont no and then he said having a great time without ya jason.

the wasabi

And also they told him that the drinks in the hotel frige were free so he nearly drank them all and then he had a huge bill at the end lol

:naughty:[/QUOTE]

Some of it was pretty funny. Like how they threw all his stuff out the window and put shaving cream on the mirrors and then said "welcome to Metallica" and left his hotel room, it was 3am.

[QUOTE=vashts80]
To iluvkirkhammett: No, he's not. He's not nearly as good as Mustaine is. Technical wise, or composing wise.[/QUOTE]

Listen to stuff he's done outside Metallica, when he's free to do whatever he wants, then you'll understand.

[QUOTE=vashts80]To Thrasher:

Man, it's pretty sad that people don't comprehend this. This is what I mean when people say how Cliff was so good on bass: he wasn't. He was a decent bass player, nothing more. As a songwriter, was he bad? No. Was he absolutely amazing? No. He was a good song writer for the thrash that the Bay Area produced. He wasn't a super duper extraordinary bass player. Take it from an actual bass player.

If you're going to say Cliff is better than Jason and Rob, that's like saying that Kirk Hammett is better than Marty Friedman and Dave Mustaine, or that Kurt Cobain was better than Steve Vai. It's not true, at all. It's like saying that Lars Ulrich is better than Gene Hoglan or Richard Christy...it's not true.[/QUOTE]

k thats your Opinion

But my opinion is that he was there best

and kirk is better that marty but i think that it will be a heavy match for Dave cause there very good

To iluvkirkhammet:I didn't know Kirk did anything outside of Metallica, what with James being the controller like he was.

To Thrasher: Lmfao, Kirk better than Marty. That's a joke. Marty's composed some of the greatest solos out of all of the 80s thrash bands (except some of Skolnick's in Testament), but Kirk is better than Marty? Does Kirk use exotic scales? Does Marty rape the wah pedal?

Your opinion about Cliff is wrong. Take it from somebody who actually plays bass and who actually knows what he's talking about. There's a difference between a good songwriter, and a good bass player. Cliff was good at the former, but decent, or even average, at the latter.

[QUOTE=vashts80]To Thrasher: Yeah, because that's really a fun way to welcome your new bass player into the band! If I was treated like that, I'd walk straight out of that band, whether it was some garage band, or a band as famous as Led Zeppelin (which, coincidentially, I hate)

To iluvkirkhammett: No, he's not. He's not nearly as good as Mustaine is. Technical wise, or composing wise.[/QUOTE]

METALLICA IS NOT 3 MEN AND A BABY

He wrote a song on the Echobrain LP, it's called Suckerpunch. He's also on the new Santana album. He's done some other stuff as well.

He wrote a song on the Echobrain LP, it's called Suckerpunch. He's also on the new Santana album. He's done some other stuff as well.

[QUOTE=.:Thrasher:.]METALLICA IS NOT 3 MEN AND A BABY[/QUOTE]

No, it wasn't. Metallica was two babies, one mute boy and a man. Can you figure out who's who?

[QUOTE=vashts80]To iluvkirkhammet:I didn't know Kirk did anything outside of Metallica, what with James being the controller like he was.

To Thrasher: Lmfao, Kirk better than Marty. That's a joke. Marty's composed some of the greatest solos out of all of the 80s thrash bands (except some of Skolnick's in Testament), but Kirk is better than Marty? Does Kirk use exotic scales? Does Marty rape the wah pedal?

Your opinion about Cliff is wrong. Take it from somebody who actually plays bass and who actually knows what he's talking about. There's a difference between a good songwriter, and a good bass player. Cliff was good at the former, but decent, or even average, at the latter.[/QUOTE]

YOU SIR ARE A MORON.

doesent mater about scales or what pedal you use.

It matters how you play them and how much you put into them.\

Take this from a person who plays guitar

You opinion about Cliff is wrong

[QUOTE=vashts80]No, it wasn't. Metallica was two babies, one mute boy and a man. Can you figure out who's who?[/QUOTE]

Who the **** do you think you are saying that.

Were you playing in stadiums before MTV heard of them?

Have you sold 100+ million albums?

Are you one of the best bands ever?

hear hear...

im a bass player, and i think cliff is the best.