For those of you who missed this post.

[URL=http://www.vanillacircus.net/book/tool_book.pdf]" TOOL : A Book of Interpretations "[/URL]


Slowly, but surely yall are coming around.

"Since the one thing we can say about fundemental matter is that it is vibrating. And since all vibration is theoretically sound, then it is not unreasonable to suggest that the universe is music and should be percieved as such" ......uni-verse......- Joachim Ernst-Berendt

"Some people go to church, I go to Tool concerts." -Andy Augspurger

(Do you hate people?)
"Pretty much, I would have to say absolutely."
(Why?)
"Ignorance." - MJK

"I think psychedelics play a major part in what we do, but having said that, I feel that if somebody's going to experiment with those things they really need to educate themselves about them. People just taking the chemicals and diving in without having any kind of preparation about what they're about to experience tend to have no frame of reference, so they're missing everything flying by and all these new perspectives. It's just a waste. They reach a little bit of spiritual enlightenment, but they end up going, 'Well, now I need that drug to get back there again.' The trick is to use the drugs once to get there, and maybe spend the next ten years trying to get back there without the drug." - MJK

"They are known to make people feel better, so that's our feel good song of the record..." Danny Carey on (-)ions.

"...kids will mosh to anything these days, but there are those people in the crowd that the music reaches on a deeper psychological and subconscious level..." - Danny Carey

"Our music is designed to inspire - to create thought - and no matter where we are, and how many people may be in the audience, that's where our efforts go." - Adam Jones

"...if you listen carefully you can hear the rubble subsiding into a glorious new landscape. Only then are you afforded the clarity of mind essential to pry open your third eye..." - Justin Chancellor

"Cause you know, if you play New Kids on the Block albums backwards, they sound better. "Oh come on, Bill, they're the New Kids, don't pick on them, they're so good and they're so clean cut and they're such a good image for the children." **** that. When did mediocrity and banality become a good image for your children? I want my children to listen to people who ****ing rocked." -Bill Hicks


"CAUTION: Proper use of the brain is not endorsed by federal governments nor huge corporations involved in serious financial profit from a brainwashed and enslaved population. Mild discomfort may occur as confusing independent thought challenges your current view of the world...Information is power. THINK FOR YOURSELF." -Timothy Leary

The push it live version is awesome. my choice. and hey dream theater guy how about you chill out on calling people retards ok? be nice

[QUOTE=conciousuniverse]"CAUTION: Proper use of the brain is not endorsed by federal governments nor huge corporations involved in serious financial profit from a brainwashed and enslaved population. Mild discomfort may occur as confusing independent thought challenges your current view of the world...Information is power. THINK FOR YOURSELF." -Timothy Leary[/QUOTE]

"Think for yourself, question authority." I think that's Timothy Leary's favorite motto. He says it like 4 million times in this book I'm reading by him.

magicbus, that "caution" quote is so important for people to grasp or at least be exposed to.

Here in Austin, Tx we have ACTV where you can make your own TV shows, Timothy Leary pioneered this program, for our freedom. Old clips of Bill Hicks come on a lot, Alex Jones (conspiracy theorist) and lots of other enlightening locally created shows are aired. Anyway, the cable monopoly is consolidating all of the ACTV channels and trying to stiffle our creative outlet. Leary is rolling in his grave.


Here some different Tool icons and such:
[URL=http://www.picgames.com/buddy-icons/buddy-icons.php?s=Tool&page=1]Tool Themes[/URL]

ENjoy

I think Leary is just a little bit too cynical for my tastes.

I would hesitate to label tracks like "useful idiot" or "(-) ions" filler. Music is an awful lot more than just a little box of conventions. Just because a recording produced by a rock band doesnt have vocals, guitars, etc, doesn't mean there can't be meaning or merit to it.

[QUOTE=Maynard's Dick]I would hesitate to label tracks like "useful idiot" or "(-) ions" filler. Music is an awful lot more than just a little box of conventions. Just because a recording produced by a rock band doesnt have vocals, guitars, etc, doesn't mean there can't be meaning or merit to it.[/QUOTE]

I agree, I have trouble calling the "fillers" on both AEnima and Lateralus fillers, because I really think they add to the album as a whole. Granted, they're not exactly songs, but I still think they are more brief insight into the greater meaning of what is being portrayed from song to song.

I definately agree with you Kage.
I think that sometimes its necessary to communicate a message in an unconventional way. To that end, sometimes an album should be thought of as more than just a collection of songs but as one piece of music.

The songs have meaning, sure... They transition to other songs. But they don't have any depth at all. Ions is JUST static. They're filler songs, deal with it.

In Chains is right.

Yeah, we might be reading to far into it, but who knows? It still sounds cool and if nothing else is a good transition.

"They are known to make people feel better, so that's our feel good song of the record..." Danny Carey on (-)ions.

"They are known to make the song list of the album look more impressive"
~Danny Carey's subconscious on (-)Ions

If anybody has Gmail, do you think you could send me live versions of Push it and/or Third Eye?

rep++ if you do.

[email]spiralout7@gmail.com[/email]

EDIT: I'm out, so I will leave you with a few words from the liner notes of Ænima

See You Auntie

:lol: Get it?

If not, say each syllable slowly.

(-)Ions is the only Tool "filler" I've ever disliked. It takes too much time to get into Third Eye, so I generally skip that one. But I disagree with the statement that the first five minutes or so of Third Eye is boring. The whole song is great, and Maynard's vocal melody, especially for the "I've missed you so much" part is spectacular.

got you thinking in a different perspective.

anyway, the track (-)ions is a creative expression of the subject.
of course, if you care that much to include a track about ions.
it is interesting that they didnt compose a (+)ions...what would have that sounded like, a vaccuum? (-)ions fits well, as a breath and a pause, a refreshing calm after the 'flushing away' of aenema and to the opening up of third eye.

they are krafty...

ions sounds great on good headphones

Yeah, I've changed my opinion of Third Eye. But I have to listen to it with the volume cranked WAYY up. It's a mindblowing song. Shiver down spine quality.

The beginning of the song, the beginning/main guitar line before the first lyrics, and when Maynard says "singing one familiar song... SO GOOD TO SEE YOU, I'VE MISSED YOU SO MUCH" -- it just gives me a great feeling.

Corny, yes, but I DON'T GIVE A ****! lol

Did you guys ever hear hidden/subliminal sort of messages. You can hear some sort of talking in (-) Ions and Cesaro Summability. I remember reading about them it lots of songs, but it just might be crazy talk.

[QUOTE=conciousuniverse]You all should really read "Nothing in this book is true, but its exactly how things are" and also "You are a spiritual being having a human experience".... if you have the extra time and cash also look for "the spectrum of conciousness" its a huge book and explains everything...which is nothing... but i dont want to trip yall out, so just read those books...

also, check out this link, which ive posted before (and didnt get much response, because it seems that yall arent into the philosophies behind tool) but ill post again, hopefully someone will find it useful, as my friends and i did.

[URL=http://www.toolpantheon.com/lateralus_meanings.htm]"Lateralus Meanings"[/URL]

**Before you get the new album**
Also, Danny Carey suggested reading about the temple of solomon and his magick, in order to be "prepared". A good book covering this would be, "The Magick of Solomon" by Poke Runyun.


Comments welcome.[/QUOTE]



ehh. that was pretty weird if your an open-minded person. i like what they said about Disposition, it really does relate to it in the mood and tone of the song. Also in reflection and triad, Especially liked what he said about the moon and all, and the thing about the christianity stuff(if you read it notice it creates a cross in the middle, and the silence in triad could be what he meant by "to listen you must be silent" and he also stated that when you pass listen to the lovingness of all the people helping you reach the top, pretty good explaination indeed.

mudvayne, thanks for your comments on the post.

I gotta take a break from Tool tonight and surrender to the keys and siren of Tori Amos.

Hmm, what are the chances of the new Tool album being a double disc?

[QUOTE=conciousuniverse]mudvayne, thanks for your comments on the post.

I gotta take a break from Tool tonight and surrender to the keys and siren of Tori Amos.

Hmm, what are the chances of the new Tool album being a double disc?[/QUOTE]
i can only hope...

4 degrees
 

Hey all,

I've just gotten into Tool about a month ago.. I listened to them a little before but now I'm truly getting into them. I have yet to dig deep into the meanings behind their lyrics, and I know I may sound like a moron for saying this, but I think even listening to the music itself can be challenging and stimulating to your brain because of the odd time signatures and all.

One song that I am hooked on though is 4 Degrees. The line, "I'll kill what you want me to, take what's left and eat it," is one of the most incredible lines I've heard in a song. To me that song is about seeing a person who isn't living up to his/her potential, and taking action to help them get back on their feet and be all they are capable of being. That specific line to me says, "I will take away your enemies, your demons inside, and if anything's leftover, I'll get rid of that too." It displays such a selfless act of love.. even going as far as self-sacrificing in order to help this person the other believes in so strongly. I would love a man to say that line to me, hehe.

I hope it hasn't been discussed before, if so, I'm sorry. I'd like to hear others' opinions on this song, because I usually seem to be pretty off. You should have seen my interpretation of APC's Pet, hehe.

Well goodnight for now.

[QUOTE=Corganschild]Hey all,

I've just gotten into Tool about a month ago.. I listened to them a little before but now I'm truly getting into them. I have yet to dig deep into the meanings behind their lyrics, and I know I may sound like a moron for saying this, but I think even listening to the music itself can be challenging and stimulating to your brain because of the odd time signatures and all.

One song that I am hooked on though is 4 Degrees. The line, "I'll kill what you want me to, take what's left and eat it," is one of the most incredible lines I've heard in a song. To me that song is about seeing a person who isn't living up to his/her potential, and taking action to help them get back on their feet and be all they are capable of being. That specific line to me says, "I will take away your enemies, your demons inside, and if anything's leftover, I'll get rid of that too." It displays such a selfless act of love.. even going as far as self-sacrificing in order to help this person the other believes in so strongly. I would love a man to say that line to me, hehe.

I hope it hasn't been discussed before, if so, I'm sorry. I'd like to hear others' opinions on this song, because I usually seem to be pretty off. You should have seen my interpretation of APC's Pet, hehe.

Well goodnight for now.[/QUOTE]

Well welcome corganschild(**** corgan he stole my paz from apc!) just kidding.

Its a symbolic song. The anus is supposedly 4 degrees warmer than the vagina....now let MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE........in. Its another stinkfist

[QUOTE=Merkaba-1]Well welcome corganschild(**** corgan he stole my paz from apc!) just kidding.

Its a symbolic song. The anus is supposedly 4 degrees warmer than the vagina....now let MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE........in. Its another stinkfist[/QUOTE]

True, of course the sexual overtones are always there.. it's always some sexual something with Maynard isn't it. But hopefully there was meant to be a deeper meaning in it, I'd like to think so anyway. This song has some sort of sentimental value to me now too, I guess that's another reason why I like it, hehe.

And hey don't worry, Zwan broke up anyway so Paz is no longer Billy's. You can have her back now. :)

[QUOTE]Its a symbolic song. The anus is supposedly 4 degrees warmer than the vagina....now let MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE........in. Its another stinkfist[/QUOTE]

When I first found out that.. I read through the lyrics... and almost every line refers to it. I had minor nightmares...

[QUOTE=jensmatty]When I first found out that.. I read through the lyrics... and almost every line refers to it. I had minor nightmares...[/QUOTE]

Come on guys, don't destroy my fantasy.

Corganschild, I like your post.

imo, the songs are meant to apply to each listeners experience.
one day you might feel sexy and explore that side of the song, another day you might feel dispare in trying to help a friend (us the listeners or your own personal relationship) to self discovery.

welcome to the forum.
tool is a leader in the artist collective.
we support them and they support us!
discover all your hidden treasures and share them with the collective :)




oh and welcome to the forum!!

conciousuniverse, I thank you for showing these things to us, particularly the Adobe Acrobat book that I just spent an hour reading. It opened up so many unimaginable possibilities, I only dream of applying so much knowledge to observations!

Oh, and when reading the Ticks & Leeches lyrics, I realised that they DO swear in Lateralus. I'm glad to see that they are gradually finding more means to express their emotions then simple cursing.

I have one problem with this book though; why does he place Lateralus, Disposition and Reflection together? He just says that fans commonly say this. I don't think he realises that Disposition (his explanation opened up a lot of thought for me), Reflection and Triad are linked together on the sleeve of the packaging >_<

For all those who have yet to be affected by Tool
It will hit you when you least expect
But don't listen and think "ok, a few more listens, and if it hasn't grown on me, I'm leaving"
They are your own
Tool's songs are your's to experience
Don't listen for cool riffs, awesome effects and sweet basslines
Listen for a meaning, listen for the voice grabbing you, listen to the "feel".

Happy Tooling!

Does anyone know about the weird movements Maynard does live? It looks like theres something wrong with his balance.