checkin back in to see how mx is doin these days :thumb:

[QUOTE=vashts80]I don't expect people to like the same thing. However, it's a fact that there's many better bands and albums out there than Metallica. It doesn't mean you have to like it, but saying Master of Puppets is a way better album than most metal out there, means he hasn't heard much metal.

I can name quite a few bands/albums, off technical skill, that are much better than Metallica/Master of Puppets. Kthx.[/QUOTE]

hey i can see where you're comin from man, but its totally a preference argument. you can't change someone's mind, thats all there is to it. you can show them obviously better technique or structure or skill or whatever the hell you can think up, but it all depends on what draws the person in and what doesn't. for me, i like metallica better than any other band, metal or no, just because their music affects me and draws me into it deeper than just the surface. and that is just my opinion, i don't want you arguing about it haha. anyway...

just got binge and purge seattle, its quite lovely.

i also am really into low man's lyric right now, anbody else like that song?

i like Devils Dance better. im not exactly a reload fan though.

[QUOTE=Quickdrop]i like Devils Dance better. im not exactly a reload fan though.[/QUOTE]

good song. yeah, alot of people were dissapointed in the load/reload stuff, but i love it all. there's some solid gold songs on those bits

[QUOTE=vashts80]I don't expect people to like the same thing. However, it's a fact that there's many better bands and albums out there than Metallica. It doesn't mean you have to like it, but saying Master of Puppets is a way better album than most metal out there, means he hasn't heard much metal.

I can name quite a few bands/albums, off technical skill, that are much better than Metallica/Master of Puppets. Kthx.[/QUOTE]

Technicality =/= best. A band doesn't have to be technicaly amazing to be the best. And no, there are no facts about which band is best. It's not like we have a congress and supreme court for deciding who is best guitarist, bassist, drummer, band, etc.. It's all what you like most. A person can hear all metal bands and like a certain band the most. You can't tell them they haven't heard enough metal bands or they just don't know what music is. It's what satisfies their listening pleasures the most is what they think is best. As I said it's all subjective, there are no facts in best bands/guitarists/bassists/drummers/etc. Everyone has something unique and different to offer. :thumb:

[QUOTE=metalmilitia101]good song. yeah, alot of people were dissapointed in the load/reload stuff, but i love it all. there's some solid gold songs on those bits[/QUOTE]

I find load better because of there originality.

I personally like reload alot better than load. But mainly because of slither, bad seed, low man's lyric, fuel, the memory remains, and unforgiven II. :p

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take a look at this pre-Metallica photo



ALSO if you are a big Metallica fan you better get Guitar World that is in newsstands now it has a bunch of Metallica interviews in it and a video of Kirk playing guitar

The cover has Kirk on it
[url]http://www.guitarworld.com/[/url]

Cool photos.

Why isn't Guitar One as cool as Guitar World. I'm subscribed to G1, unfortunately.

[QUOTE]nah, he's not even close to Hetfield.
Gilmour vs. Hetfield on rhythm is very debatable, Gilmour wrote more stuff than Hetfield, but Hetfield has the perfomance ability. Playing Battery with downpick and sing it at the same time i really a challenge.[/QUOTE]

1. Umm..Keith Richards and David Gilmour are both lead guitarists. Ron Wood is the Stones rythm guitarist, and Pink Floyd doesn't really have one.

2. Please tell me your joking about Richards not comparing to Hetfield...please?..

[QUOTE=dr._feelgood]Badmotorfinger is a bit better and definately has a more metal sound.[/QUOTE]
agreed, but Superunknown came to mind when I was thinking of 'essential' albums for some reason. Plus Superunknown has 'fell on black days', and that's my favorite Soundgarde song:D

yeh since when has keith been rhythm, or gilmour? but i think hetfield does own richards on technical ability. keith doesnt even rate himself highly.

yeh fell on black days is awesome, im also a bigger fan of badmotorfinger, but i see where ur coming from.

*ahem*

Keith Richards actually holds the title for the Best Rhythm Guitarist. but dont take my word for it, look it up.

and as for David Gilmour, like i said, not many people realise it, but he DOES in fact do some rhythm. this time, do take my word for it, me having over 15 hours worth of the Floydsters to listen to at any given time :)

sure, he does mainly lead, but you mustn't forget the rhythm.

sup noobs?

seen this, yet? [url]http://roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=44786[/url]

yay solos :D

[QUOTE=vashts80]I don't expect people to like the same thing. However, it's a fact that there's many better bands and albums out there than Metallica. It doesn't mean you have to like it, but saying Master of Puppets is a way better album than most metal out there, means he hasn't heard much metal.

I can name quite a few bands/albums, off technical skill, that are much better than Metallica/Master of Puppets. Kthx.[/QUOTE]
Do remember I was referring to albums that have influenced the entire genre. Not just the best albums. And most of those albums around the time of SA didn't sell as well as SA, probably because of fame but whatever.

[QUOTE=heavy metal kid] Playing Battery with downpick and sing it at the same time i really a challenge.[/QUOTE]

He plays those Gallops downpicking :confused:

I very much doubt he plays that song down picked. I would even go as far as saying its practically impossible to gallop that fast with only down picking.

[QUOTE=Stormrider331]He plays those Gallops downpicking :confused:[/QUOTE]
No he doesn't. James doesn't down pick everything.

[QUOTE=Happy]No he doesn't. James doesn't down pick everything.[/QUOTE]

I know. It was a question because I didnt belive what the other person had said about him downpicking Battery but anyways..

[QUOTE=Stormrider331]I know. It was a question because I didnt belive what the other person had said about him downpicking Battery but anyways..[/QUOTE]
I used to think he downpicked everything but it's not humanly possible.

Nobody can downpick everything. Unless their Green Day or some ****ty emo band. But i think he does do most of Battery while downpicking. At least it looked like he did when he came to town on the SA tour.

[QUOTE=vashts80]I don't expect people to like the same thing. However, it's a fact that there's many better bands and albums out there than Metallica. It doesn't mean you have to like it, but saying Master of Puppets is a way better album than most metal out there, means he hasn't heard much metal.

I can name quite a few bands/albums, off technical skill, that are much better than Metallica/Master of Puppets. Kthx.[/QUOTE]

You are naive Metallica have sold over 90 million Albums since they've being together so I guess there are alot of people In the world that are likely to disagree with you. Music is not about who's better musicians, who's a better Band. Plus this is a Metallica thread for fans to talk about there music, If you wanna slag them off by insinuating there crap musicians then go do it somewhere else.

[QUOTE=timmySmi]You are naive Metallica have sold over 90 million Albums since they've being together so I guess there are alot of people In the world that are likely to disagree with you. Music is not about who's better musicians, who's a better Band. Plus this is a Metallica thread for fans to talk about there music, If you wanna slag them off by insinuating there crap musicians then go do it somewhere else.[/QUOTE]
in fairness he was just saying that there are better musicians elsewhere, but it still makes no difference. Everybody knows Metallica aren't 'teh bezt musici@n5 0n teh pl@net' but that really means nothing, they are one of the best group of musicians in terms of the quality of their output....who cares if Kirk can't play at 400 000 000 bps?

[QUOTE=timmySmi]You are naive Metallica have sold over 90 million Albums since they've being together so I guess there are alot of people In the world that are likely to disagree with you. Music is not about who's better musicians, who's a better Band. Plus this is a Metallica thread for fans to talk about there music, If you wanna slag them off by insinuating there crap musicians then go do it somewhere else.[/QUOTE]

People never learn. I never said they were garbage musicians, although we all know Kirk hasn't written a decent solo in 20 years, because everything else is wah drenched; I did, however, say that you cannot make the claim that Master of Puppets is much better than most metal, because [i]that[/i] statement is incredibly naive.

Album sales don't mean a thing. Nirvana has sold many, many more albums than Metallica; does that mean Nirvana is good? No. Meanwhile, we have bands like Death or Nevermore who are hardly known outside of metal circles who are 30x better than most of the garbage that's out today in rock/metal (Green Day, Avenged Sevenfold, Dry Kill Logic, Bury Your Dead, that stuff ring any bells?)

I quit posting in this thread, it's turned to **** with the influx of "OMG LOVE METALLICA OR DONT POST HERE OMGOMGOMG."

When did the memo come out that says people aren't allowed to have opinions, or intelligent discussions about these opinions?

By the way, I didn't know you had to play at 400,000,00bps to be technical. Quite a few doom metal bands play at hardly 100bpm but yet they can be technical.

Master of Puppets may not be as good as other metal albums but it still is an essential metal album.

[QUOTE=vashts80]By the way, I didn't know you had to play at 400,000,00bps to be technical. Quite a few doom metal bands play at hardly 100bpm but yet they can be technical.[/QUOTE]yeah...I was only joking...

It just seems odd to me that you judged how good an album is by the standard of technical playing on it, and not how well it all works together. At the end of the day it's completely subjective, it depends which aspects of music you most enjoy.

[quote]I quit posting in this thread, it's turned to **** with the influx of "OMG LOVE METALLICA OR DONT POST HERE OMGOMGOMG."

When did the memo come out that says people aren't allowed to have opinions, or intelligent discussions about these opinions?[/quote]

Yeah, people need to get over that. You don't have to adore every single thing a band has done just because it's from a good band. Every good band released bad music at one time or another and people aren't going to agree with it.

Either way, it's good if you can express opinions without completely saying all negative stuff about a band which is just mindless, if you can give somewhat good examples on why you didn't like so and so about Metallica it would be a much better post.

[QUOTE=The_Riddler]Yeah, people need to get over that. You don't have to adore every single thing a band has done just because it's from a good band. Every good band released bad music at one time or another and people aren't going to agree with it.
[/QUOTE]
You do realise hardly any of us love every single thing Metallica do?

I don't even listen to Metallica that much, I just appreciate why they are considered a great band. I really like Metallica but I could never really consider them a favorite band....

[QUOTE=Kyle]I don't even listen to Metallica that much, I just appreciate why they are considered a great band. I really like Metallica but I could never really consider them a favorite band....[/QUOTE]
They're one of my favourite bands but I haven't listened to them for months.