ya haha i probably will end up doing that, tommorrow theres a pretty big party at yet another deserted spot (but its not one we are sleeping at lol) but I will see if she's going and try and work something out there haha

[quote=Ming-a-Ling]Who puts gloves on their weiner? [B]Honestly EtP2, you need to take your mind out of the gutter.[/B]


And in all seriousness White, most girls I've met are suckers for picnics. I bet she'd like a picnic. Go find a nice spot, pretty scenery, make sure when you go the sun isn't too crazy. Take some fruits, maybe some chocolate dip for them, you can bring your sparkling apple juice, and have yourself a nice little afternoon.[/quote]


but...but...but i like it here:upset:

PS. to White: *adds*

You know...

I was going to post a response to this

Way to much to cover though and I don't know how many stress heart attacks I can take as I read and respond

Ya, apparently ETP2 loves a girl named Julie!!!! haha (sorry etp, i was getting bored)

...it starts...

haha you know you enjoy it

[QUOTE=Ming-a-Ling]What do you mean "build up attraction". It's already there. He needs romance now, not teasing. Nothing gets a woman hot like a nice cold box of wine.[/QUOTE]

She got drunk and almost felt up on his ****.. not much reall attraction yet. I'd say let it build up, but when you're 15..I guess it doesnt take much for attraction to go wild..damn hormones..

You guys are flakes

Setting up a plan of attack so you can get what you want... Everyone loves a smiling phony though and thats what people will fall for. Shallow words and a shallow heart is what rules the day in this time.

Lord knows you wouldnt actually [I][B]care[/B][/I] about someone... You're only after what every other testoterone pumped lowland gorrila is after.

Plan of attack? He's setting up a "date" or something involving a picnic and juice.. seems like he wants a relationship not just a peice of ***, although when you are 15 your relationships usually do consist of ..well making out and thats pretty much it.

I was with a girl for 5 months who wasn't ready to have sex with me yet and I respected that. We broke up recently because she was going through alot of family problems and what not. I miss her like crazy though, it wasn't about sex, still isn't I just want her back.. We never talk though, shes staying with friends cause her mom basically abandoned her. Right now shes off on some thing with her church.

Don't fool yourself

I'm sure he's just a charming little boy looking to have a nice time under the sun with his friend... Come on be realistic thats the kinda bullsh[I]i[/I]t that happens everyday and people fall for that stuff.

You know damn well the intentions of that

Jim whoa, I don't know if you relized but im trying to make her happy, not me, jeez, I could care less about my life haha, and it is what every guy does PLAN the date haha

Yeah come on guys. I think it's the fact that he refused her wiley charms in the tent, and further sexual advances makes it quite obvious all he wants is a piece of [B]a[/B]ss. Grow up White. :rolleyes:

Damn James, I think we hit a sensative subject eh? You're right though. He is pretty much just trying to seduce the poor girl. He talks about not taking advantage of her, and now he's pretty much..going to. But he does want a relationship with her.. it's not like he's going to ditch her. but at 15, like i said before, relationships are pretty much puppy love and physical intimacy..

**** I miss my girl, it wasnt even about the physical ****..

No, I refused doing stuff with her because

A) it would make her cry because she would be bashed, her friends would hate her, and she would be known as a slut

B) because i knew it would make me look good (which I am ,I don't drink, or smoke drugs)

C) because it was wrong to take advantage of her while she was drunk

D) because thats not how I wanna lose my Virgintiy (with a drunk friend in a tent)

Yes I dwould love to do her, but I want a relationship much more than that

Well whenever I see something like this it pisses me off

And wether ya think its lame or a waste of time doesnt matter to me. Maybe saying somethings like that can make someone think twice about what their going to do. After all lifes not so grand being a [I]common feeder[/I] is it?

Oh James,

Such the sensative yet wise one.

Just live life, love life,;ive love, love love..

and get right with the man.

-Tang.

lol, I love how this went from Whites greatest day ever to what (im still unsure of) white being bashed for what he did after being complimented on doing the right thing haha????? Im so confused

Your idea of the right thing is only a temporary mask though, what are you going to do next time? Why didnt ya sleep somewhere else? Why didnt ya say "Hey this aint right and get up and go sleep in a seperate area?

True Jim ,but also there were reasons why I didn't want to leave the tent lol, the fact that I was comfortable there with her, NOT having sex, and actually the main thing (no joke) that was holding me back from switching tents is because all the tents were filled with Drunk guys who (because of past reasons with drugs) I really disliked, Sarah (the girl iw as with) was actually my only friend there.

And also Jim ,i think you are failing to put into perspective the type of person I am, I ahve read the bible (im 15 remember that, no my parents don't go to church there is no religiousness in the household at all0 I have renowned my catholic faith, (only because I didn't belive in thier perspect of going about worship) I am a popular guy (not to be concieted lol, just go with it) and I still do what I think is right and only right, despite what everyone wants me to do, and YES! you are right, wanting to have sex with her is wrong because im a strong devoted christian, but I belive Sex is one of the pleasures in life and I should experience it.

What I am trying to get across is that i'm not some jerk kid that only wants her for pleasure (I told you I want a relationship with her), The only reson I ended up in her tent was because she asked me to look out for her at the party and make sure she doesn't do anything stupid or drink to much, and ya, one thing lead to another and we are in bed togeher lol. SO ya, I DO care for her, as I said we have been friends our whole lives, and ya, ts jut wierd now hat we like eachother, but don't worry i AM doing the right thing

Ya ,well Its about 3 Am now haha so im gonna leave the forums, night ya'll

you're 15 go watch cartoons

If I can give only one piece of advice to anyone on here

Simply look at yourself from a 3rd person perspective before you do anything, just think its really not that hard at all. If you do that and if you have any self worth or even a shred of carrying on a life thats decent (Im not talking about relgious freaks and born again christans and all that nonsense) you'll stop and possibly re-do what could never be un-done .

And thats not to say the people your with are equaly bad, hell they might be worse infact I could garuntee most of them are! Your few moments of pleasure can put others in alot of pain and im not just talking about sex, thats everything drugs, getting drunk everynight. Thats a selfish thing to do and if your hurting someone other then yourself then you are always in the wrong.

Its all about thinking and if you can tame the beast within you you'll make better choices through your life and you might even die knowing you did something right.

[QUOTE=black guy]you're 15 go watch cartoons[/QUOTE]
Pretty much sums up my view on this.

Relationships in high school = pointless

Teenagers should just go on casual dates, get their dating chops up and running. If they want to ****, then let them ****. Its not something I would ever do casually.

Anyway, teenagers just don't have the mindset or the calmed hormones to have a good, responsible, respectable relationship. Something that lasts over a month is unhealthy.

I believe you, because you have multiple psychology doctorates.

Those are the people you DON'T want to beleive ^^

Where do you think these retards come from in the first place? Biggest hypocritical thing in the WORLD. A male or female preaching psychology, and we wonder where these puds come from? Beleive me anyone who tells you as they lean their heads back "Weeeell im a psychology major" is so fulla sh[I]i[/I]t you could fill 2 O-zinga cement trucks with it. Well isnt that wonderful? You are an edeucated psychology major... Now every word you say was passed onto you by someone reading a book. You cannot learn those things from a book!! Its absolutley ridiculous in every single way.

There is no formality in the human behavior pattern, you dont need to do ANYTHING to learn and you damn sure dont have to pay or sit in a classroom to understand it. Simply open your eyes all the education you could ever want is right there for the taking, infact its better because the world changes again making these books and studies a joke. Throw that sh[I]i[/I]t away and keep your eyes and ears open and hey mabey you'll learn something!

I can agree there, but I wasn't really delving into that area so much as poking at what I thought was a false air of knowlege of relationships.

The world was doing fine until the new age where we went from "Everyone has their own opinions", to "Everyone's opinions are equal", and letting kids run wild.

hey, I had a 2 and a half year relationship in high school. I talk from experience. I talk from watching friend's relationships, from watching people.

Sure, you get the rare few that marry their highschool sweethearts. But then you have the type of people who date someone through the majority of high school, has the oppurtunity to try and date other people but can't because of their relationship, and then after several years, that relationship fails.

What do you gain? Nothing. You had a relationship with someone that probably wasn't *that* special, even though you thought it was at the time. You missed out on meeting and experiencing different people (and by experiencing I don't mean ****ing, I mean just by being with different people and enjoying their company) and now you're left with nothing. Since hormones are hard on teenagers, you don't take a long relationship breaking up well, because you put too much seriousness into it.

You never gain nothing man. Every moment of life is something learned.


You are never left with nothing, because as you just said, and used as evidence for your own authority. You gained experience.

If you had truly gained nothing, then you would never be able to speak on the subject.

You can hang out, spend time with and enjoy the company of people without dating them, and while you are single or not. Every person is different however, so you can meet 20,000 people and still not know what the 20,001st person will be like.





My advice. Follow your heart. You can try and plot out, anylize and blueprint your life and emotions. But it doesn't work, and never will. Have a positive attitude and be flexible.

Here's the catch though - If you aren't happy with yourself, single, on your own. Then you will not be happy in a relationship either.

I speak from experience as well. I had a 2.5 year highschool releationship. I then had a 2 year releationship after that. There was some time spent single (bout a year+). I also had a smattering of dates and so forth along the way.


Today I have a fiance, an amazing women and incredible human. I can say, without a doubt, my experience in my past relationships has allowed me to learn enough about releationship skills, and myself, to be at a point where I can be totally committed and in love with another person for life.

[quote=Ming-a-Ling]No, that's just how I have them shaved... Of course that's how he shaved me.
I dunno why I have hair there...it just grew that way. I'm sort of a hairy dude.[/quote]

The dude did that to me as well even though my upper arms have no hair :amaze:

On the upside i sat and watched him disinfect everything from the work table to his own gloves which were fresh seconds before :|

Tattoo's are for people deeplying searching for ways to make themselves unique in a egomanical conformist society but fail to see beyond the asthetics of the body.

That said, it's been the very rare occasion I've met someone with a truly meaningful tatoo. All of those were related to extreme dedication and bond through experience.

You're half right there jos. Its not about being individual. I find myself completely unremarkable with the sort of face anyone can forget. So i want something to make me memorable. However memorable also has to come with personal meaning. Which is where the latin comes in. Its a phrase that ive grown up with coming from two sources. Originally it was a phrase used in the bible which i never beleived in and then from the Knights Templar who i enjoy researching. So you're right in that its about aesthetics but it also has personal meaning to me.

WTF man that makes no sense what so ever. Some ink on your arm will not make you memorable. In fact, I bet you any amount of money you could just put a sock on one of your ears and have a better effect to be remembered then a VERY common tattoo on your arm.


And unless you got a tatoo on your face, it still looks the same. Here's some plain fact for you- being remembered has NOTHING to do with your face, or looks.

It's called personality, presence, charm, etc... I'd recommend you read a book, it's VERY popular and a required text for most MBA and many Business degree's here. It's called 'How to win friends and infulence people'

Guess what? Non of it deals with how you look.



Here's a lil hint for you too - non of the Bible was written in latin. Aramaic and Hebrew were the languages used. The first translation of the Bible into latin (The Vulgate) wasn't until the 15th century.

These last 3 or 4 pages were funny. Dunno why but they were.
And i'm too much of a retard to figure out what jim and josiah are on about.

Just keep eating raw meat and making monkey sounds


Someone will tend to you eventualy

Jos im well aware of that. However, John 8:32 ;) The phrase is used in english. Im aware the star is fairly common but its not staying on its own. Its gonna be part of a half sleeve. Memorable mighta been the wrong word, but its something to stand out seeing as nothing else does.

Im not interested in winning friends either, i'll admit i dont have much charisma but im one of those people you either like or yuo dont, there is no middle ground.

[quote=Drum Phil]Jos im well aware of that. However, John 8:32 ;) The phrase is used in english. Im aware the star is fairly common but its not staying on its own. Its gonna be part of a half sleeve. Memorable mighta been the wrong word, but its something to stand out seeing as nothing else does.[/quote]

Oh my did you just quote the Bible in defence of you getting a tattoo?
Dude, you might want to check up on what the Bible says about tattoo's.


John 8:32, the Truth will set you free.

Wich is actually the second part of a statement Jesus made -
" Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;
Joh 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free."


Indeed the Truth will set you free. That truth Jesus refered to explicitly states that tattoo's are a defilement to the body.

And no, you have not studied Jesus's teachings. Because anyone who has, wouldn't say, do or speak the way you do.

[quote=Drum Phil] Im not interested in winning friends either, i'll admit i dont have much charisma but im one of those people you either like or yuo dont, there is no middle ground.[/quote]
It's the title of the book moron. And if you aren't interested in winning friends, then why in the world are you interested in being more memorable to others?

Seems to me you are EXACTLY interested in winning friends.


And just one more thing.
How the fu[I]c[/I]k can you make such blanket statements about what people think?


You don't know. Because if you did.. you would know how see through you are to most people. I can see right through ya man, and it's sad, it really is. You are quoting Jesus, without even having a clue what Jesus talked about.



Seems like the answers to your problems have nothing to do with being remembered, but that deeply inside you feel the need to be special to at least some one.. but you haven't found that yet, that's why you are trying so hard to be a memorable individual and at the same time hypocritically denying your want to "win over friends".


Here's the truth that will set you free -


You want to be seen as cool (denying the need for anyone else "I don't want to win friends"), and at the same time, are begging for acceptance ("I want to be memorable").

Hang on... Im confused.

Why the hell have we begun fighting each other over what the bible means? This is a drummer's stronghold, not a bible basher's stronghold! :D

There is no debate or fight over the particular passages in question. Nor is there a debate on the Bible's stand about Tattoo's... It's very clear and very explict. Drum Phil has been ignorantly quoting the Bible in defense of his tattoo's and the thinking behind them.

As such, like all things false, should be set right.




And indeed you are wrong. This is the stronghold.. and had you read about what the thread is, you'd know it was for open disscussion for any topic. As pretty much every topic has been discussed.

Your issue with religious topics, the Bible in particular, is very aparent, as this thread has not been about anything drumming related for some time.. like since it's start.

You should work a lil harder on that animosity.. it's just a 'touch' noticable.

Last night my band played a small show, and the band right after us didn't even bring a drum set? Like wtf, he asked me if he could use my drums. I was like... uhhh ok I guess. He wasn't a hard hitter or anything, he seemed to be playing them respectfully, but who shows up without drums? And he didn't even haveto adjust anything, he just left it exactly as I had it. Which was good for me. Anyway, Not only that, but it's the second time I have come across a band that needed to use my sh!t. Have you people ever heard of this?

[QUOTE=Seafroggys]Relationships in high school = pointless

Teenagers should just go on casual dates, get their dating chops up and running. If they want to ****, then let them ****. Its not something I would ever do casually.

Anyway, teenagers just don't have the mindset or the calmed hormones to have a good, responsible, respectable relationship. Something that lasts over a month is unhealthy.[/QUOTE]
ha... I like you Seafroggy's... but that's all bull****.

I met my first girlfriend in highschool and we've been together and [I]happy[/I] ever since. Like Winston Churchill said "Love is a friendship set on fire" We were friend two years before we hooked up and then everything just fit. It pays off to find someone like minded, though... not just any person you think is attractive.