[QUOTE=ShadowsFallen]
You can't be serious. Athletes are played to play a game - there's no way around it. They don't even "work" year round like other people do. Try telling those construction workers who bust their asses 8-10 hours a day for 5-7 days a week for $50,000 a year that their job is easier than being an athlete.[/QUOTE]


They physically push themselves to the limit 5-7 times a week as well. They also have to use their full brain power. Construction workers dont really. Also football and hockey players truly put their lives on the line every time they step onto the field of play.

[QUOTE=Byzantine]They physically push themselves to the limit 5-7 times a week as well. They also have to use their full brain power. Construction workers dont really. Also football and hockey players truly put their lives on the line every time they step onto the field of play.[/QUOTE]

There actually is a degree of risk in construction, and to assume otherwise is just foolish.

[QUOTE]No profession has a payment scale based on the effort required to do it. Athletes are just lucky in the sense that their chosen profession happens to attract huge amounts of money from eager fans.[/QUOTE]

I'm fu[size=2]cking[/size] sick of this. If you bash athletes for being paid too much and don't criticize actors for being paid too much you're a hypocrite.

Athletes do work, not nearly enough to justify the amount of money they make. There are plenty of other professions who work as hard, if not harder, and still get paid next to nothing compared to athletes. Though there are definitely dangers in sports I'd say that "putting their life on the line" is a very extreme statement. Athletes don't use any more brain power than anyone else anyway.

[QUOTE=Spat Out Plath]No profession has a payment scale based on the effort required to do it. Athletes are just lucky in the sense that their chosen profession happens to attract huge amounts of money from eager fans.[/QUOTE]
Yes, and that bothers me for some reason.

My apologies, I seem to have offended many people with this arguement.

[QUOTE=Illmatic]There actually is a degree of risk in construction, and to assume otherwise is just foolish.



I'm fu[size=2]cking[/size] sick of this. If you bash athletes for being paid too much and don't criticize actors for being paid too much you're a hypocrite.[/QUOTE]
But what he said is true of both athletes and actors.

Then again, there is a certain justification in that you do have to be extremely skilled in your field to reach the professional level of sports and to be a famous actor. Not all actors are Hollywood actors.

It seems to me that the people who like sports the most are arguing against the anti-pay guys. I know Ray loves sports, so i guess its just the way you look at it.

The fact is that us, who I am guessing none of us are paid by salary, and even people that make in the tens of thousands just dont live on the same scale as atheletes and we cant be like "oh, they make too much, i work harder than them". We dont understand.

Its only when idiots like Sprewell and TO that go to the papers and say "i need to feed my family" that I get a little worked up.

[QUOTE=Illmatic]I hope you hate Hollywood too, or you'd be a bit of a hypocrite.[/QUOTE]

Indeed, I absolutely hate seeing actors dressed in their million dollar clothing to grab all the media attention and be praised as if they were national heroes. They're so fake, it drives me mad. Still I can see more point in movies (well not the big modern full of effects hollywood productions) than sports but in no way I approve the money both athletes and actors make.

[QUOTE=Byzantine]They physically push themselves to the limit 5-7 times a week as well. They also have to use their full brain power. [B]Construction workers dont really.[/B] Also football and hockey players truly put their lives on the line every time they step onto the field of play.[/QUOTE]

Do you really think that a construction worker doesn't have to use the same amount of brain power that a professional athleate does?

Construction isn't just nailing a couple boards together to make some shape. You have to know angles, you have to know board sizes, you have to know how far apart you can put studs so to minimalize material use while still keeping the wall strong enough. Measurments have to precise and cuts exact or it won't all fit together like it's suppose to. And that's just on a house. Imagine what these guys and girls need to keep in their head when constructing a giant skyscraper or some other large building.

You might be giving the average construction grunt a bit too much credit there. Yeah, building a skyscraper is complicated, but your standard worker, though he has to be skilled in the physical aspect of building, doesn't have to keep the whole structure in mind himself; that's what the engineer is for.

[QUOTE=Congratulations]Do you really think that a construction worker doesn't have to use the same amount of brain power that a professional athleate does?

Construction isn't just nailing a couple boards together to make some shape. You have to know angles, you have to know board sizes, you have to know how far apart you can put studs so to minimalize material use while still keeping the wall strong enough. Measurments have to precise and cuts exact or it won't all fit together like it's suppose to. And that's just on a house. Imagine what these guys and girls need to keep in their head when constructing a giant skyscraper or some other large building.[/QUOTE]

The architects do all the thinking. the workers themselves just put the nails in and all that stuff.

[QUOTE=Byzantine]The architects do all the thinking. the workers themselves just put the nails in and all that stuff.[/QUOTE]
There is math involved. I have a friend (union carpenter) who has to carry around a book of mathematical equations and measuring until he has it memorized. There's much more to it than hammering.

[QUOTE=Byzantine]The architects do all the thinking. the workers themselves just put the nails in and all that stuff.[/QUOTE]
Are you really that ignorant. I may have givin the "grunt" workers too much credit, but it isn't just some slap together job. The workers don't just nail stuff together. They still have to know what angles and again their measurements have to be exact. It's not some huge complicated deal, but isn't as simple as slapping some lego together as you seem to believe.

Yo, I just got back from my holiday to France :D. I bet none of you even realised I was gone, the weather was actually better back in England too :upset:. Sad to hear about the hurricane which I didn't even hear about until on the ferry. Also, WTF is happening with official threads and what not?

[QUOTE=Six Foot Revolver]Yo, I just got back from my holiday to France :D. I bet none of you even realised I was gone, the weather was actually better back in England too :upset:. Sad to hear about the hurricane which I didn't even hear about until on the ferry. Also, WTF is happening with official threads and what not?[/QUOTE]

Welcome back! ***Official*** was removed from these threads mainly to discourage newbies start their own and some of these former official threads were given new cool names decided by the regulars. Those who didnt get a cool new name are plainly named Rock and Metal <insert band here> thread.

[QUOTE=Six Foot Revolver]Yo, I just got back from my holiday to France :D. I bet none of you even realised I was gone, the weather was actually better back in England too :upset:. Sad to hear about the hurricane which I didn't even hear about until on the ferry. Also, WTF is happening with official threads and what not?[/QUOTE]

Welcome back, good to see you. What kind of holiday in France was it? Clubbing in Paris every night-type, cheese and wine in the country-type, skiing-type..?

[QUOTE=Bartender]Welcome back, good to see you. What kind of holiday in France was it? Clubbing in Paris every night-type, cheese and wine in the country-type, skiing-type..?[/QUOTE]
Cheese and wine in the country, I highly recommend that everyone goes to the Futuroscope if they get the chance.

[QUOTE=Six Foot Revolver]Cheese and wine in the country, I highly recommend that everyone goes to the Futuroscope if they get the chance.[/QUOTE]
To the what?

[size=1]Welome back, by the way[/size]

I have been listening to unhealthy amounts of Blur.

[QUOTE=Slug]I have been listening to unhealthy amounts of Blur.[/QUOTE]
I believe there to be no such thing.

I caught the Parklife video on TV a couple of days ago, and resolved to get myself that album soon. I'd forgotten about that until just now, though.

[i]13[/i] is such a great album. I can listen to it over and over.

I hate how BLur got so much less recognition than Oasis. Blur were much better.

Within Britain, I'd say they got about the same recognition. Worldwide though, I'd probably agree with you.

[QUOTE=Slug][i]13[/i] is such a great album. I can listen to it over and over.[/QUOTE]

That has Tender, doesn't it?

[QUOTE=munky_magik]To the what?

[size=1]Welome back, by the way[/size][/QUOTE]
It is almost a theme park which is an experiment into the future of movies. They have a 360 degree one, one with moving chairs, 3D one etc. It really is incredible, especially the night laser show they host.

[QUOTE=Dried Muffin Remnants]I hate how BLur got so much less recognition than Oasis. Blur were much better.[/QUOTE]

I do enjoy early Oasis, but the latest stuff is so boring.

Whats the Story (Morning Glory) was one of the first albums I ever owned. My sister bought it for me, and I remember playing it on my walkman over and over.

[QUOTE=Bartender]



That has Tender, doesn't it?[/QUOTE]

Yea, it's got that song.


It puts me in a good mood.

I like that song.

[QUOTE=Slug]I do enjoy early Oasis, but the latest stuff is so boring.

Whats the Story (Morning Glory) was one of the first albums I ever owned. My sister bought it for me, and I remember playing it on my walkman over and over.[/QUOTE]

Have you heard [i]Don't Believe the Truth[/i]?

[QUOTE=Bartender]Have you heard [i]Don't Believe the Truth[/i]?[/QUOTE]

Bits and pieces of it. Should I give it another shot?

I quite like the latest Oasis stuff. I used to be not impressed by Lyla but it's grown on me The Importance of being Idle is a great track. I've yet to hear anything else off of the new album, though.

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2 Oasis - The Importance of Being Idle - 9

[QUOTE=ATM]
Bits and pieces of it. Should I give it another shot?[/QUOTE]

I don't know, I've not heard the whole thing myself yet. Just what I have heard of it sounds promising, so I'm hoping that when I do hear it it'll pull them out of the downward spiral they seem to have had going since Morning Glory.

Lyla is a great song, so I thought the album was going to be just as good. But from what I heard, it wasn't too exciting.