[QUOTE=Atman]sorta like how you're ignoring my points fagturo ohhh look how clever i am[/QUOTE]
He put the defintition up there Atman. If you cannot read it then that is not my fault.

Nice job on the fag into my name bro! Must have took you ages of arguing with literature books to make that one huh?!

[QUOTE=Futuro]He put the defintition up there Atman. If you cannot read it then that is not my fault.[/quote]

umm that doesn't address my point about polymeter

[QUOTE=Futuro]Nice job on the fag into my name bro! Must have took you ages of arguing with literature books to make that one huh?![/QUOTE]

oh man your sarcasm is harsh sort of like how you're taking the internets so seriously haha

[QUOTE]umm that doesn't address my point about polymeter[/QUOTE]That is multiple people with multiple staffs! Jesus christ dude!

this argument is like being chased

by a used toilet paper roll

Bach didn't develop western music theory, that's not what I meant. He didn't say "oh there are 12 semitones in an octave, and there are major and minor keys and a slew of modes" etc. That was developed earlier in the Catholic Church.

However, modern music theory courses are pretty much based off of what he wrote. Which is what I meant in my original statement.

[QUOTE=Seafroggys]Bach didn't develop western music theory, that's not what I meant. He didn't say "oh there are 12 semitones in an octave, and there are major and minor keys and a slew of modes" etc. That was developed earlier in the Catholic Church.

However, modern music theory courses are pretty much based off of what he wrote. Which is what I meant in my original statement.[/QUOTE]

yes

but it still doesn't make it anywhere near some of the most complex music out there

josiah could have talked about pendercki or stravinsky or something jeez

[QUOTE=Atman]yes

but it still doesn't make it anywhere near some of the most complex music out there

josiah could have talked about pendercki or stravinsky or something jeez[/QUOTE]
You didnt get his point.

[QUOTE=Futuro]You didnt get his point.[/QUOTE]

what was it since apparently you have written publications on it

Atman.. just show us a single piece of written music where multiple time signatures are used at the same time.

That's all, just one. Just show us one written piece, by ANY publication or company. Just one is all...


Just show us one piece of written music that displays your idea/theory... it shouldn't be hard to find many examples right? Your peabody texts are chalk full of em aren't they?


Until you can, I suggest you disregaurd your current position regaurding that theory.

I can point to a million publications on our side of the arugment, how many can you point to on yours?

[QUOTE=Josiah]Atman.. just show us a single piece of written music where multiple time signatures are used at the same time.

That's all, just one. Just show us one written piece, by ANY publication or company. Just one is all...


Until you can, I suggest you disregaurd your current position regaurding that theory.[/QUOTE]

ummmmm polymeter

did you ever learn about it in music school or what

i'll go look for sheet music but it'll take me a while unless of course you're willing to pay

I'm not entirely sure what the argument is, but if it's about polymetrical music, Charles Ives wrote quite a bit of music in multiple time signitures:

For example, his Fourth Symphony actually requires multiple conductors to keep in time, due to various sections of the orchestra playing in different meters.

[QUOTE=Josiah]Atman.. just show us a single piece of written music where multiple time signatures are used at the same time.

That's all, just one. Just show us one written piece, by ANY publication or company. Just one is all...


Just show us one piece of written music that displays your idea/theory... it shouldn't be hard to find many examples right? Your peabody texts are chalk full of em aren't they?


Until you can, I suggest you [SIZE="5"]disregaurd[/SIZE] your current position [SIZE="5"]regaurding[/SIZE] that theory.

I can point to a million publications on our side of the arugment, how many can you point to on yours?[/QUOTE]
holy s[SIZE="2"]hit[/SIZE]

That's great.

No offense, but man

good one!
[QUOTE]I'm not entirely sure what the argument is, but if it's about polymetrical music, Charles Ives wrote quite a bit of music in multiple time signitures:

For example, his Fourth Symphony actually requires multiple conductors to keep in time, due to various sections of the orchestra playing in different meters.[/QUOTE]Winnar.

[QUOTE]what was it since apparently you have written publications on it[/QUOTE]Even if I did have written publications you would most likely argue it anyway.

[QUOTE]I'm not entirely sure what the argument is, but if it's about polymetrical music, Charles Ives wrote quite a bit of music in multiple time signitures:

For example, his Fourth Symphony actually requires multiple conductors to keep in time, due to various sections of the orchestra playing in different meters.[/QUOTE]That is completely different than one person playing in multiple times.

^Also true.

Several different groups of people, playing pieces of music written to be interlaced is far different then someone playing multiple time signatures at the same time, wich is Atmans argument.

[quote=Atman]ummmmm polymeter

did you ever learn about it in music school or what[/quote]

I dunno.. you tell me. Just show us a peice of written music. Not labels or names.


Show me messuggah officially notated using multiple time signatures. Come on kid, you mentionend the band.. now back up your mouth.

I can point to a number of books wich officially transcribe messugah music, usic only a single time signature.

Where's your examples of your version?

dont wanna make a new thread so which will give me a bigger boom and less punch. Coated amb or eq3 or emad? BAss heads are what im talkin bout.

[QUOTE=Futuro]That is completely different than one person playing in multiple times.[/QUOTE]

how

[QUOTE=Josiah]I dunno.. you tell me. Just show us a peice of written music. Not labels or names.[/quote]

ok

[QUOTE=Josiah]Show me messuggah officially notated using multiple time signatures. Come on kid, you mentionend he band.. now back up your mouth.

I can point to a number of books wich officially transcribe messugah music, usic only a single time signature.[/quote]

you never asked for that earlier so good going on that contextual logical fallacy

Well I think the most important thing is the fact that it's possible to hear something that sound EXACTLY like one person play a notated polymetre.
Also, there are reasons for doing this like simplicity, what's wrong with that?

[quote=wiki]Polymetre is the use of two metric frameworks simultaneously, or in regular alternation. Examples include Béla Bartók's "Second String Quartet". Leonard Bernstein's "America" (from West Side Story) employs alternating measures of 6/8 (compound duple) and 3/4 (simple triple). This gives a strong sense of two, followed by three, stresses (indicated in bold type): // I-like-to be-in-A // ME RI CA//.

An example from the rock canon is "Kashmir" by the seminal British hard-rock quartet Led Zeppelin, in which the percussion articulates 4/4 while the melodic instruments present a riff in 3/4. In "Toads Of The Short Forest" (from the album Weasels Ripped My Flesh), composer Frank Zappa explains: "At this very moment on stage we have drummer A playing in 7/8, drummer B playing in 3/4, the bass playing in 3/4, the organ playing in 5/8, the tambourine playing in 3/4, and the alto sax blowing his nose." The math metal band Meshuggah uses complex polymetres even more extensively; typically the songs are constructed in 4/4, with guitar riffing and bass drum patterns in unusual metres such as 11/8 and 23/16. Usually the riffs are forced to resolve after 4 or 8 measures resulting in a shorter 'fitpiece' which has a different metre from the rest of the section.[/quote]

sorry if i don't care so intensely about this as much as you joshia to scour the internets for a jpeg of bartok's second string quartet

There certainly is music for instruments like piano, which are not explicitly notated as two different meters, there is an implication of different pulses.

This causes the same effect of polymetrical music with simplified notation.

[QUOTE=Atman]sorry if i don't care so intensely about this as much as you joshia to scour the internets for a jpeg of bartok's second string quartet[/QUOTE]
Where does it say in there that one person played in multiple odd times?

[QUOTE]how[/QUOTE]Because it is impossible. I mean, that counts for something right?

[QUOTE=Futuro]Where does it say in there that one person played in multiple odd times?

Because it is impossible. I mean, that counts for something right?[/QUOTE]

if a piano player can play the equivalent harmonies of a woodwind quartet

then why can a drummer not do the same with meters

please tell me how rhythm is so incredibly different from harmony and try not to engage in any more pedantry thanks

[quote=Atman]sorry if i don't care so intensely about this as much as you joshia to scour the internets for a jpeg of bartok's second string quartet[/quote]
Listen son, if you wantted to talk about logical fallicies. I coulda tore you apart long ago...


Your argument is based on common music, and you have listed common music as examples to support your argument.
You can be quoted on you mention of the band Messugah in support of your argument.

I asked you to provide valid proof of your common music example in official notation, published or otherwise in order to validate your argument.


If you can not do that, simply admit your fault and move on. If you can actually show us these facts wich your explictly mentioned as rebutal evidence in support of your claim, then do so. Or see option 1.

Otherwise you are just churning mud...


Here's a question for you, can a given measure of music have more then 1 note getting the beat?

erm bartok, glass, or bernstein aren't exactly common rock music

wiki already provided examples but i don't have the money to pay for the sheet music

if you are willing to pay for the music from sheetmusicplus or other sites go ahead

[QUOTE]wiki already provided examples but i don't have the money to pay for the sheet music[/QUOTE]Well, the examples did not say one person now did they? Wonder why.

[QUOTE]At this very moment on stage we have drummer A playing in 7/8, drummer B playing in 3/4, the bass playing in 3/4, the organ playing in 5/8, the tambourine playing in 3/4, and the alto sax blowing his nose."[/QUOTE]Oh yeah I must missed where he said "My drummers left leg is moving in 21/16, right leg in 10/8, and arms in 3/4"

again

can you please stop not addressing my points thanks futuro you're the man now

[QUOTE=Atman]again

can you please stop not addressing my points thanks futuro you're the man now[/QUOTE]
Tell me your point again please.

[url]http://www.sputnikmusic.com/forums/showpost.php?p=12596679&postcount=41346[/url]

Oh you dont understand why rhythm is different than harmony?

Rhythm (Greek ρυθμός = flow (in Modern Greek = 'style') is the variation of the accentuation of sounds or other events over time.

And Harmony is the combonation of notes.

I just want to see a piece of music written out for drums that has multiple time signatures.


That's all. Just show me one.

[QUOTE=Futuro]Oh you dont understand why rhythm is different than harmony?

Rhythm (Greek ρυθμός = flow (in Modern Greek = 'style') is the variation of the accentuation of sounds or other events over time.

And Harmony is the combonation of notes.[/QUOTE]

hey i told you to not engage in meaningless pedantry which still doesn't address my point

i win

[QUOTE=Josiah]I just want to see a piece of music written out for drums that has multiple time signatures.


That's all. Just show me one.[/QUOTE]

umm i play guitar bansuri flute and tablas let me go look through my extensive collection of drum music right now [B]just[/B] for you mister josiha!

actually i'm going to go to sleep you guys keep comforting yourselves or telling yourselves that you are soooooo right or circle jerking or whatever you guys do itt

[QUOTE=Atman]hey i told you to not engage in meaningless pedantry which still doesn't address my point

i win[/QUOTE]Please stop acting like I did not address your point.

[QUOTE=Futuro]Please stop acting like I did not address your point.[/QUOTE]

you didn't please read for comprehension next time

good night!

[QUOTE]please tell me how rhythm is so incredibly different from harmony[/QUOTE]I gave you the definitions, if you cant read it is not my problem.

i hate to say it Atman, but you are seriously lacking a point.

At first you said one drummer, then you list several modern contemporary groups that can do polymeters. Now you switched your argument to a single song where different parts have different time signatures, but not one part (i.e. drummer) having multiple time sigs at once, and you are saying a bunch of orchestral and symphonic music do that.

Whatever happened to the original argument?

Then after you've claimed that drum music has multi sigs at once, and Jos asked for you to show some, all of a sudden you're "oh I'm not a drummer, why would I have drum sheet music?" If you weren't a drummer in the first place, how can you know if Meshuggah or whatever has polymeters or whatever the hell they're called.

Exactly.


I can recall a 100 pieces of music off the top of my head wich blow the arugment away. Ask for a single instance of referenced material.. and it's suddenly a chore to provide it.

That's called back pedaling.


Here's a hint son.. if you don't know about the subject. Then don't talk about it.

I know everything...

Just ask me

So ughhh.. Yaa like polymeters?????

So, I may not know much of music theory.

I may sound like a totally uneducated foolish piece of hicksville white trash.

But from what little musical theory I've taken, one singular note in one singular line of music can only be played in one time signature. Take a piece of music that is being played, and freeze it at any moment in time, and there is only one time signature being played by the individual playing said piece of music.

Multiple people playing together, each in their own time =/= one person playing in multiple time signatures simultaneously.

Or so I've learned anyway.

So Atman loses the argument pretty badly.. Let's move on.

I had NO IDEA people actually took this seriously: [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBO2nILr_MM&mode=related&search=[/url]

[QUOTE=British Boy]So Atman loses the argument pretty badly.. Let's move on.

I had NO IDEA people actually took this seriously: [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBO2nILr_MM&mode=related&search=[/url][/QUOTE]
I....hate that song.

Y'know, the song's good for the Romanians.

I mean, the majority of people didn't even know they EXISTED until O-Zone hit it big 'cause that Gary dude and his webcam.