[QUOTE=Trivium]I just heard Another Day for the first time

its completely amazing, its so calm and soothing and awesome.. great song, if you havnt heard it, then stop not hearing it[/QUOTE]
Yeah I like it. A little popish but cool.

[QUOTE=Trivium]I just heard Another Day for the first time

its completely amazing, its so calm and soothing and awesome.. great song, if you havnt heard it, then stop not hearing it[/QUOTE]

Yeah, its pretty good. The version from Live Scenes From New York completely owns the studio version. LaBrie vocals are just amazing.

[QUOTE=bwnstl]Actually, (and I don't have the CD cases here with me, so I could be wrong) I remember reading in the booklets to the LTE CDs that MIKE was approached for a supergroup instrumental band, and he picked Tony and Jordan, and it was MIKE'S wife who suggested JOHN. So you basically had it right just backwards. Anyone with a booklet handy corroborate this?[/QUOTE]

yup this is correct. Mike stated that he wanted the project to "his own", so he didn't want petrucci at first. It was only after struggled to find a guitarist for Lte did his wife suggested petrucci (a possibility he was always conscious of yet didn't want to turn to).

So Lte was not an attempt for petrucci/portnoy/rudess to ditch myung and labrie, it was a supergroup project spearheaded by portnoy. Again rudess wasn't involved with dt at the time he was asked to participate and portnoy certainly didn't have petrucci penciled in as his first option. Having said that, I"m glad everything turned out the way it did--Lte is great :thumb:

Pretty much all of Train of Thought, Images and Words, and Awake is perfect. I love ToT though, I would recommend every song off of that one :)

[QUOTE=Trivium]their all good

six degrees of inner turbulance is their best album[/QUOTE]
How can you even compare Six Degrees to Awake or Images & Words? :o
Six Degrees [b]is[/b] GREAT, but nothing compared to Awake or Images, in my opinion.....

everyone one of their albums and songs are amazing

[QUOTE=classicrockman]Okay, I'll listen to 'Awake' more.

So I hear 'Train of Thought' is the heaviest DT album. Does that mean it's good?[/QUOTE]
Not really.
[quote]everyone one of their albums and songs are amazing[/quote]
Fanboy alert.

[QUOTE=MAthiAS]Not really.

Fanboy alert.[/QUOTE]


wtf is that supposed to mean

Maybe.. That you're a fanboy and will deny all faults?

Edit: Then again, what would I know...

[QUOTE=kidthatplaysguitar91]wtf is that supposed to mean[/QUOTE]
It means you're a fanboy. Come on, every one of DT's songs amazing? Have you listened to The Answer Lies Within lately?

[QUOTE=MAthiAS]It means you're a fanboy. Come on, every one of DT's songs amazing? Have you listened to The Answer Lies Within lately?[/QUOTE]

i havent heard all of them just most

i havent heard that song

Then obviously you don't have the credibility to claim that all of their songs are amazing, now do you?

[QUOTE=bwnstl]Then obviously you don't have the credibility to claim that all of their songs are amazing, now do you?[/QUOTE]


i'm listening to it, its not bad, not one of their better songs but still pretty good

No way...

[QUOTE=Chu]No way...[/QUOTE]


....

[QUOTE=kidthatplaysguitar91]i'm listening to it, its not bad, not one of their better songs but still pretty good[/QUOTE]
Pretty good =/= amazing

ggnorekthx

ok fine 95 percent of their songs are amazing, happy....

95% of JP's solos are pure wank too.

Yeah... but when he doesn't wank, its pure gold. Like a few of the ones in A Change of Seasons.

Yeah. He used to have great riffage and not as wank solos back on Images and Words, and now he's moved to this extremely low open string boring riff cycle and wankfest.

[QUOTE=Darkness Of Greed]Yeah... but when he doesn't wank, its pure gold. Like a few of the ones in A Change of Seasons.[/QUOTE]
Yeah man, especially Lines In The Sand and Scarred solos. :cool:

Im just wondering, does everyone here agree that Octavarium is 'not as good' as their older albums?
Everytime I see someone complimenting Octavarium, I always wonder if they have listened to Images and Words.

[QUOTE=badtaste]Im just wondering, does everyone here agree that Octavarium is 'not as good' as their older albums?
Everytime I see someone complimenting Octavarium, I always wonder if they have listened to Images and Words.[/QUOTE]
if i were to put down a list of DT albums in order of greatness, Octavarium will be down the bottom along with Falling into Infinity. they both have some great tracks, but overall, they're predictable and boring.

[QUOTE=MAthiAS]Yeah. [B]He used to have great riffage and not as wank solos back on Images and Words[/B], and now he's moved to this extremely low open string boring riff cycle and wankfest.[/QUOTE]

Images and Words has awesome riffage and solos. :thumb: That part in "Learning to Live", about 8 minutes in, guitar solo then a keyboard solo, it's so beautiful sounding.

[QUOTE=red barchetta]if i were to put down a list of DT albums in order of greatness, Octavarium will be down the bottom along with Falling into Infinity. they both have some great tracks, but overall, they're predictable and boring.[/QUOTE]

yeh i was dissappointed with Octavarium when I bought it. Apart from Octavarium itself i think the album is pretty lame, I really don't like the blatent Muse influenced songs cause they don't bring out the bands talents. I&W, SFAM and TOT are definatly my favourite three albums with Octavarium somewhere at the bottom.

Yeah, I happen to agree about Octavarium. A huge letdown, IMO. The title track is the only song that I really listen to anymore on that album. My favorite DT album is actually a stalemate between I&W, Awake, and SFAM. It always seems to swing to one of those 3 albums. FII is really low on my list, as is Octavarium. I like 6DOIT and TOT, but IMO, they aren't even close to their earlier stuff. It just seems like they went downhill afterawhile. I don't know what it is. I guess, it just pisses me off that they have so much musical ability and talent, yet they're songwriting ability is nowhere even close anymore. 6DOIT and TOT have so much useless soloing that it really hurts the songs. 8vm is just really bland, IMO. Panic Attack just sounds way too much like a numetal song for me to listen to it. I'm sure many have lashed out already about the obvious Muse-rip off of Never Enough, so I won't get into it. I do like TROAE, I just think it could have been better (did they really need to use the chorus from "This Dying Soul?"). These Walls sounds like Linkin Park, I still like it though, but not too much. No comment on IWBY. TALW is a nice song, not my style though. Might have fit in the album if the rest was real good and real heavy, but that's not the case. Sacrificed Sons, despite having poor lyrics, has a **** good verse and chorus, IMO. However, once it reaches the instrumental part, I feel it kills all the emotion in the song. I love how everything sounds before the instrumental break. Very disturbing, emotional, melodic, beautiful. 8vm, I feel is a pretty **** good song all the way through. I'm sure there's been many comments on here about the annoying lyrics at times (sailing on the seven seize the day tripper diem's ready, etc.), so I won't really do a full analysis on it. I still think it's quite a good song. There's a few parts that I don't like that keep me from liking it more, but I still feel really satisfied when I finish listening to it.

[QUOTE=satchforever]Yeah, I happen to agree about Octavarium. A huge letdown, IMO. The title track is the only song that I really listen to anymore on that album. My favorite DT album is actually a stalemate between I&W, Awake, and SFAM. It always seems to swing to one of those 3 albums. FII is really low on my list, as is Octavarium. I like 6DOIT and TOT, but IMO, they aren't even close to their earlier stuff. It just seems like they went downhill afterawhile. I don't know what it is. I guess, it just pisses me off that they have so much musical ability and talent, yet they're songwriting ability is nowhere even close anymore. 6DOIT and TOT have so much useless soloing that it really hurts the songs. 8vm is just really bland, IMO. Panic Attack just sounds way too much like a numetal song for me to listen to it. I'm sure many have lashed out already about the obvious Muse-rip off of Never Enough, so I won't get into it. I do like TROAE, I just think it could have been better (did they really need to use the chorus from "This Dying Soul?"). These Walls sounds like Linkin Park, I still like it though, but not too much. No comment on IWBY. TALW is a nice song, not my style though. Might have fit in the album if the rest was real good and real heavy, but that's not the case. Sacrificed Sons, despite having poor lyrics, has a **** good verse and chorus, IMO. However, once it reaches the instrumental part, I feel it kills all the emotion in the song. I love how everything sounds before the instrumental break. Very disturbing, emotional, melodic, beautiful. 8vm, I feel is a pretty **** good song all the way through. I'm sure there's been many comments on here about the annoying lyrics at times (sailing on the seven seize the day tripper diem's ready, etc.), so I won't really do a full analysis on it. I still think it's quite a good song. There's a few parts that I don't like that keep me from liking it more, but I still feel really satisfied when I finish listening to it.[/QUOTE]
Dude, you know nothing about DT or what? You know Mike wrote The Glass Prison, This Dying Soul and The Root of All Evil so that they would be connected...that's why. Notice how the break down riff in TGP and TDS are the same? Its the premise man

[QUOTE=IvortheEngineDriver]Dude, you know nothing about DT or what? You know Mike wrote The Glass Prison, This Dying Soul and The Root of All Evil so that they would be connected...that's why. Notice how the break down riff in TGP and TDS are the same? Its the premise man[/QUOTE]

Yes, I'm aware of the connection between the songs due to the lyrical content being about alcoholism. Them using the chorus from "This Dying Soul" again really pisses me off though. A guitar riff is one thing. "The Glass Prison" has many guitar riffs in it, so using one again isn't so bad. However, taking the entire chorus to a song and using it in another song is more so being lazy considering that the two songs were written a few years apart from each other. What, they couldn't have come up with another original section? By the way, what does "Dude, you know nothing about DT or what?" even mean? I have a problem with a song, so you assume I know nothing about the band? It's called an opinion, buddy.

[QUOTE=satchforever]Yeah, I happen to agree about Octavarium. A huge letdown, IMO. The title track is the only song that I really listen to anymore on that album. My favorite DT album is actually a stalemate between I&W, Awake, and SFAM. It always seems to swing to one of those 3 albums. FII is really low on my list, as is Octavarium. I like 6DOIT and TOT, but IMO, they aren't even close to their earlier stuff. It just seems like they went downhill afterawhile. I don't know what it is. I guess, it just pisses me off that they have so much musical ability and talent, yet they're songwriting ability is nowhere even close anymore. 6DOIT and TOT have so much useless soloing that it really hurts the songs. 8vm is just really bland, IMO. Panic Attack just sounds way too much like a numetal song for me to listen to it. I'm sure many have lashed out already about the obvious Muse-rip off of Never Enough, so I won't get into it. I do like TROAE, I just think it could have been better (did they really need to use the chorus from "This Dying Soul?"). These Walls sounds like Linkin Park, I still like it though, but not too much. No comment on IWBY. TALW is a nice song, not my style though. Might have fit in the album if the rest was real good and real heavy, but that's not the case. Sacrificed Sons, despite having poor lyrics, has a **** good verse and chorus, IMO. However, once it reaches the instrumental part, I feel it kills all the emotion in the song. I love how everything sounds before the instrumental break. Very disturbing, emotional, melodic, beautiful. 8vm, I feel is a pretty **** good song all the way through. I'm sure there's been many comments on here about the annoying lyrics at times (sailing on the seven seize the day tripper diem's ready, etc.), so I won't really do a full analysis on it. I still think it's quite a good song. There's a few parts that I don't like that keep me from liking it more, but I still feel really satisfied when I finish listening to it.[/QUOTE]

So, what their recent decline in quality in their albums (I agree with your opinion of Octavarium,) can anybody tell me what their live act is like? Lots of 90s stuff, or more recent music?

they play all sorts of stuff live
some Awake stuff, some I&W, some WDADU, some ToT, and some 8vm :(

the music is good, although their stage presence isn't all that great