Zao actually has some moving lyrics. They deal with politics and death and relationships. Underoath is basically melodrama.

How was the Fear the same as Funeral of God? One was more hardcore low production and one was super clean, almost MDM sounding.

[QUOTE]Zao actually has some moving lyrics. They deal with politics and death and relationships. Underoath is basically melodrama. [/QUOTE]
This is obviously biased and untrue. Their lyrics are relatively similar, they're both angsty with religious undertones and they're both relatively irrelevant.

Underoath's lyrics on the past two albums have been about praying for self-help.

Someone please turn the lights back on
I've been wandering here for days, disconnected, and in search for new air to breathe in

Some think I can fix this
Some think I could change

But that's the problem
We never speak to Him
Though our closing walls have cages in them
And I can't quite remember

This was the first time I didn't say enough
This was the only time I kept it close enough

song was the best thing ever to listen to while getting off of oxycontin.

[QUOTE=McP3000;17289599]and lol at the statement "Underoath have released at least three albums better than anything Zao has ever done"[/QUOTE]
lol at acting like anything zao has released is anywhere near as good as underoath's last two albums or the changing of times, or even better

maybe im biased against zao because im from pa and im ****ing sick of hearing about how great they are, because they ****ing suck

Zao is pretty decent but they have no real character, it's the same **** over and over regardless of whether the production is different or not. I prefer Underoath because they at least do different things. They went from arguably straight metalcore to some death/black metal tinged metalcore to synthy stuff to straight up pop punk to what they play now which is almost like post-metal(core)

[QUOTE=hismajestythepope;17289630]lol at acting like anything zao has released is anywhere near as good as underoath's last two albums or the changing of times, or even better

maybe im biased against zao because im from pa and im ****ing sick of hearing about how great they are, because they ****ing suck[/QUOTE]
i dont know anyone thats heard of the band

also, i thought Lost In The Sound Of Seperation was pretty average

i like act of depression i am fag

that album is sloppy, its no good!

dallas' vocals on there are ****ing ridiculous

[QUOTE=Cocaine;17289635]They went from arguably straight metalcore to some death/black metal tinged metalcore[/quote]

IDK I'd consider AOD to be more like a weird mix between early deathcore and Converge. As for Cries Of The Past... metalcore? I don't see it, seems more of the boat of TTEOTD, just MDM with breakdowns.

[quote]to synthy stuff[/quote]
Changing of Times?

[quote]to straight up pop punk[/quote]
TOC's is not pop-punk at all.

[quote]to what they play now which is almost like post-metal(core)[/QUOTE]
I'd consider the last two albums the most straight up metalcore material they've released to date.

I'm from PA also, Pittsburgh actually. But I mean, even compare fanbases...Underoaths is a bunch of scene kids. I am not fond of scene kids. Just look at those gifs, underoath spawned I tell you.

I still stand by Zao's lyrics. They are much more visceral and powerful. Underoath just comes of as whiny and melodramatic.

[QUOTE]IDK I'd consider AOD to be more like a weird mix between early deathcore and Converge[/QUOTE]
You're probably right, I haven't heard it in forever.
[QUOTE]Changing of Times?[/QUOTE]
Yea
[QUOTE]
TOC's is not pop-punk at all.[/QUOTE]
What I remember of it was.

[QUOTE]I'd consider the last two albums the most straight up metalcore material they've released to date.[/QUOTE]
They're definitely metalcore I was just referring more to the atmosphere and layout of how they wrote the musics.

[QUOTE=Bleekill;17289653]I'm from PA also, Pittsburgh actually. But I mean, even compare fanbases...Underoaths is a bunch of scene kids.[/quote]
And a bunch of people who are willing to listen to a great band regardless of how scene their new fans are.

[quote]I am not fond of scene kids.[/quote]
They're not so bad, they're just teenagers. Me and my friends were p. ****ing scene in highschool, and like, there were cool *** scene kids, and a bunch of douchebags too, like any other demographic.

[quote]I still stand by Zao's lyrics. They are much more visceral and powerful. Underoath just comes of as whiny and melodramatic.[/QUOTE]
Zao's lyrics = overdone imagery everywhere.

Underoath's lyrics = a bit too straightforward at times, but very awesome from a Christian perspective.

Or with Dallas, very awesome from the perspective of a whiny bitch like myself.

I guess I love the imagery in their lyrics. I never bought into the whole scene thing. I don't like bands that are focused on image/fashion.

[QUOTE=Cocaine;17289654]You're probably right, I haven't heard it in forever.[/quote]
Yeah, well, you know how I do with ma Underoath son.

[quote]Yea[/quote]
Skramz purists will shoot me down right away in all cases, but **** it, skramz purists refuse to admit that You And I have metal riffs at the ***.

The Changing Of Times always seemed like a VERY screamo oriented metalcore album to me, which is what I like about it so much, it's two of my favorite things in a pretty damn unique manner.

[quote]What I remember of it was.[/quote]
It sounds like old Taking Back Sunday meets new Thursday but heavier. Not really what I'd call pop-punk.

[quote]They're definitely metalcore I was just referring more to the atmosphere and layout of how they wrote the musics.[/QUOTE]
I was thinking you were saying you notice a lot of post hardcore influence.

[QUOTE=Bleekill;17289669] I never bought into the whole scene thing. I don't like bands that are focused on image/fashion.[/QUOTE]


shouldn't make a difference, thats very judgemental, good music is good no matter what they look like/dress in/fan types etc

[QUOTE=Bleekill;17289669]I guess I love the imagery in their lyrics. I never bought into the whole scene thing. I don't like bands that are focused on image/fashion.[/QUOTE]

Underoath's fashioncore phase was extremely short-lived.

They're not even that big of scene kids these days, except maybe Aaron.

Timmy and Grant have huge *** beards and crew cuts these days, ffs.

Spencer is just some coke head in tight pants, and James is well, just some tall skinny kid with a normal mid length haircut.

I have listened to their music. I had tons of friends in highschool who loved them, I've listened to them a good bit. Ive seen them live.

I don't like any image based bands really, even black metal corpse paint wearing dudes. It just doesn't apeal to me. I will admit I listen to a few corpse painted musicians but I have never really found a glam rock/metal or scene band that had enough value to outweigh their focus on fashion and image.

Underoath is not an image based band.

Most good black metal is not image based.

A lot of scenecore bands are playing the music and dressing the part merely because that's the culture that they're into, usually because of the bands they listen to.

You care more about these bands' images than they do themselves.

I don't know I think you are under estimating the power of image. Before you just had mtv, kids copying what those musicians wore. Now look at your typical teenagers myspace. This scene look is pretty common. In my area is extremely common. Look at the bands the kids who dress like that listen to. They all dress the same, its a bigger deal than you make it sound.

every artist tries to put out a certain type of image to associate with their music

its a stupid argument