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Moses 01-03-2008 10:50 AM

[QUOTE=Sideshow Bob;15779489]Quit sidetracking. You claimed that income tax and the IRS was unconstitutional. Sixteenth Amendment says no.

But wages can be construed as gains and profits anyhow. It's broader that way not more limiting.[/QUOTE]

Wages and labor are defined as an exchange of property.

I'm not sure how the Sixteenth Amendment says no, it's unconstitutional to have a mandatory tax on wages and labor.

"In dealing with the scope of the taxing power the question has sometimes been framed in terms of whether something can be taxed as income under the Sixteenth Amendment. This is an inaccurate formulation [ . . . ] and has led to much loose thinking on the subject. The source of the taxing power is not the Sixteenth Amendment; it is Article I, Section 8, of the Constitution." - Wikipedia

This leaves the issue of "wages and labor" to the individual States and every state law I've seen concerning this says that someone must pay an income tax if they're required to file the 1094 tax forms.

gmoneyguy 01-03-2008 10:52 AM

We be killin' dem trees.

Moses 01-03-2008 10:53 AM

[QUOTE=Illmatic;15779493]I'd rather not spend it either but as long as I'm living in this country I'm not going to pick and choose when I'm going to "support" it so to speak.

btw do you pay your taxes?[/QUOTE]

I'd rather pick and choose whether I want to support my country or not based on how it's leaders act.

I payed my taxes until I quit my job, which gave me much more time to do research and find out that I actually don't have to.

gmoneyguy 01-03-2008 10:55 AM

Would you mind not driving when you decide to pick and choose your taxes?

Moses 01-03-2008 10:56 AM

[QUOTE=guitrguy;15779538]Would you mind not driving when you decide to pick and choose your taxes?[/QUOTE]

I'll try to avoid that, yes.

Moses 01-03-2008 11:05 AM

Regarding the Sixteenth Amendment
Like I said, income is defined as gains and profits.

Regarding the Tenth Amendment
Yes, the States can levy a mandatory tax but like I said, every State law regarding this has said that everyone required to file a 1094 tax form must pay the mandatory tax. The thing is, you don't legally have to file the 1094 tax form.

I gotta go get some breakfast with my family, so I don't have time to discuss the 1st Article 8th Section, but I'll be back and see what you have to say.

gmoneyguy 01-03-2008 11:08 AM

No... You don't have to file a 1094. You can opt to pay your taxes at the end of the year.

the2stranger 01-03-2008 11:28 AM

So it has been raining all day and it's cold.
It's so cold that the ground is still frozen and the rain freezes in an instant.
So like every street here is a big iceskate ring.

It sucks.
Especially because I want to go to a friends place.
:mad:

Sup all?

gmoneyguy 01-03-2008 11:29 AM

nothing much, I'm about to head to lunch in a bit.

ATM 01-03-2008 11:29 AM

Listening to some Esoteric.

Argh, my throat hurts :-x

gmoneyguy 01-03-2008 11:31 AM

I told you, only my spunk with soothe your throat.

big80smullet 01-03-2008 11:35 AM

my hands will soothe your erect member

gmoneyguy 01-03-2008 11:37 AM

Awesome, Kill two birds with one boner.

the2stranger 01-03-2008 11:38 AM

[QUOTE=ArrestThisMan;15779671]Listening to some Esoteric.

Argh, my throat hurts :-x[/QUOTE]

Esoteric.
\m/
Nice!!

I should start up a CD too, I'm not listening to anything right now. :eek:

gmoneyguy 01-03-2008 11:40 AM

I listening to Sufjan Stevens, I'm sooooo metal right now.


NP: Sufjan Stevens - The Seer's Tower

Ghosts Revenge 01-03-2008 11:40 AM

i listen to Sinergy.

haven't done anything today :(
/lazy

Daven 01-03-2008 11:40 AM

Listening Autumn Aurora. :p

Tyr 01-03-2008 11:41 AM

Astral Projection, anyone?

the2stranger 01-03-2008 11:42 AM

[QUOTE=Ghosts Revenge;15779712]i listen to Sinergy.

haven't done anything today :(
/lazy[/QUOTE]

Kacper?
[QUOTE]Listening Autumn Aurora. [/QUOTE]
Nice!

np: Still nothing :(

gmoneyguy 01-03-2008 11:43 AM

thats kacper, he got b&.

the2stranger 01-03-2008 11:45 AM

What happened?
A lot of people got banned:
Kacper, Luc, Nemesis, Elim, BRA.

Ghosts Revenge 01-03-2008 11:45 AM

exactly :p

i think i should watch some more Dragonball GT.
what i've done so far;

listened to 60% of Peters Secret Satan bands i've got
watched about six dragonball GT episodes
spamed mx-forum AND metalblaze.at (too good, that i'm a mod on the last forum ^^)
chatted to several friends
made holes in the sky! \m/


edit:
what happend? -> report problemes thread ;)

gmoneyguy 01-03-2008 11:46 AM

Kage too.

Angmar 01-03-2008 11:46 AM

[QUOTE=Daven;15779714]Listening Autumn Aurora. :p[/QUOTE]

Hopefully my Drudkh shirt will be in the mail when I get home. :mad:

Ghosts Revenge 01-03-2008 11:48 AM

what Kage has been banned too? kewl :lol:

Daven 01-03-2008 11:48 AM

[QUOTE=Angmar;15779745]Hopefully my Drudkh shirt will be in the mail when I get home. :mad:[/QUOTE]

Fag. :mad: :p

I bought their discography. :) Except Anti-urban of course.

the2stranger 01-03-2008 11:48 AM

[QUOTE=Ghosts Revenge;15779740]exactly :p

i think i should watch some more Dragonball GT.
what i've done so far;

listened to 60% of Peters Secret Satan bands i've got
watched about six dragonball GT episodes
spamed mx-forum AND metalblaze.at (too good, that i'm a mod on the last forum ^^)
chatted to several friends
made holes in the sky! \m/


edit:
what happend? -> report problemes thread ;)[/QUOTE]


Are you enjoying the music? :)

/Checks report problems thread.

np: Nadja - Bug/Golem

MBS 01-03-2008 11:48 AM

i almost spammed that thread but then i realized "ohshi vince might be serious about this ban thing"

so i deleted the post i made

the deletion message was like "forgot about first post or something ridic"

and here i am, ban free and with my zooey avatar still :)

Ghosts Revenge 01-03-2008 11:49 AM

yeah, some of the bands are really great! some of them less... or at least i wasn't in the mood of listening to some kind of genres ^^

fav. bands so far
Nadja
Winds
Dolorian
Mar de Grises
Anekdoten

gmoneyguy 01-03-2008 11:49 AM

You'd have it after a ban. I got too keep my Matt Pike avatar when I was banned.


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