good sh[b][i][/b][/i]it Merkaba. now i finally understand what whistle notes are. i was driving last nite and trying to emulate your sound and figured out how to do em.. they're pretty fun to do!

Wait wait wait, I wanna learn whistle notes!

[I][B]hey im 13 and my voice is probably still breaking when i talk i get the occasional squeak but i really want to scream sing high my friends think i have just about got singing deep but i want to learn how to scream high for bands like the used story of the year ect can some 1 good at scream singing add my msn its [email]Timmy_shag@hotmail.com[/email]
Thanks :wave: [/B] [/I]

^ read this thread and practice. And dont be lazy thinking that anyone is actually gonna IM you to repeat the same things we've already said here.

erm
 

[QUOTE=Merkaba-1]^ read this thread and practice. And dont be lazy thinking that anyone is actually gonna IM you to repeat the same things we've already said here.[/QUOTE]
Yeh i have read it and stuff and i sometimes do warming up exercises b4 i sing its just that my mates reckon i could get it cause i can sort of scream take take take take take take it away (take it away-the used) but thats low screaming but i just dont know how 2 get my voice to be louder screaming
but other then that ur infomation is really good merkabas just out of curioisty how long have u been scream singing for
TiM :wave:

I need help on getting the sound of Alexi Laiho's type of vocals. The higher pitched raspy like vocals. I'm not exactly sure on what you'd call them.

[QUOTE=TSASI V.2]I need help on getting the sound of Alexi Laiho's type of vocals. The higher pitched raspy like vocals. I'm not exactly sure on what you'd call them.[/QUOTE]
post a clip of him singing some part that you want.

Basically, I want the style that he uses in this song: [url]http://www.musicianalliance.net/Songs/Trashed,%20Lost%20&%20Strung%20Out/01%20Trashed,%20Lost%20&%20Strung%20Out.m4a[/url]

[QUOTE=TSASI V.2]Basically, I want the style that he uses in this song: [url]http://www.musicianalliance.net/Songs/Trashed,%20Lost%20&%20Strung%20Out/01%20Trashed,%20Lost%20&%20Strung%20Out.m4a[/url][/QUOTE]

Basically sounds like the technique used in a lot of vocalists, and then basically altered to sound differently. I too wanted to sound like that so I checked out merkaba's soundclick where he has something that helps you get this sound out of your voice. I donno how to explain creating it, but once you figure out how, you have to push with your gut to increase the gain of it, and that is basically what it sounds like that he is doing.

Got a link?

[url]http://www.soundclick.com/bands/1/merkabastarmusic.htm[/url]

okay, i haven;t been screaming very long. probally onlya couple of weeks. but everytime i scream, the only way i can get any rasp is to use a lot of push, and its really loud. how do i use less push but still get good rasp? do i just keep practicing and eventually i will figure it out or is there a trick? and is it normal for my scream to sound really girly and high when just beginning?

[QUOTE=brainproof]okay, i haven;t been screaming very long. probally onlya couple of weeks. but everytime i scream, the only way i can get any rasp is to use a lot of push, and its really loud. how do i use less push but still get good rasp? do i just keep practicing and eventually i will figure it out or is there a trick? and is it normal for my scream to sound really girly and high when just beginning?[/QUOTE]
The key is learning to sing without moving your throat up and down with the notes. You leave more room for the cords to be flexible with the added pressures instead of just a "breather valve". Practice true voice singing, and forceful singing that works your true voice. I dont really know what you mean by alot of push...It will take diaphragm pressure...almost like a sustained grunt type of pressure in the gut region...it takes considerable push to get a good rasp and tone, but not like ninety or a hundred percent like I think most people like to think they need.

[QUOTE=Tim_guitar_playa69]Yeh i have read it and stuff and i sometimes do warming up exercises b4 i sing its just that my mates reckon i could get it cause i can sort of scream take take take take take take it away (take it away-the used) but thats low screaming but i just dont know how 2 get my voice to be louder screaming
but other then that ur infomation is really good merkabas just out of curioisty how long have u been scream singing for
TiM :wave:[/QUOTE]
It will take time. If you have a car use it as your practice studio. Thats What i have done over the years. There is no judgement and you can miss notes all day as you grow into them. Lets face it though....if youre trying to get some new stuff down it will take lots of time and patience, but dont rush it, you only get one pair of cords.

I dont really do much scream singing...I just know how its done...because its all really the same it just depends on your strength and flexibility as far as dynamics and effects go. You shouldnt be hoarse or in any pain after a session...otherwise...I say...if you into hard vocals...go after it. If you warm up adequately the cords can take a pretty good killing. You will need that to get them to respond with growth later. Just remember that technique is the key...and you should warm up and warm down..warming down is very important.

Your falsetto lesson 1 helped me a lot man. It was pretty close to the sound I want.

No matter what I do, I can't get the right technique down. My larynx moves a lot when I change pitch, meaning I am using my throat to change pitch instead of my vocal cords (which you probably know.) I've read all of your posts but I still don't know how to do it right. I plan on taking vocal lessons SOMETIME, but for now is there anything I can try?

Merkaba- This is not voice related or anything, but I've not seen you in the Tool thread lately, so I figured I could track you down here- Have you been working on Stinkfist lately? I know you said you had it finished, but you never uploaded it. :-/

Again, sorry for the thread hi-jacking, but I needed to ask you. :)

[QUOTE=Dr. Jake Destructo]Merkaba- This is not voice related or anything, but I've not seen you in the Tool thread lately, so I figured I could track you down here- Have you been working on Stinkfist lately? I know you said you had it finished, but you never uploaded it. :-/

Again, sorry for the thread hi-jacking, but I needed to ask you. :)[/QUOTE]


he has it uploaded

I have a question , When I sing , there is somthing in the back of my throat that sounds like it is vibrating and it gives my singing voice a little crackleing sound. WTF is that? ? and how can i rid of it?

[QUOTE=Dr. Jake Destructo]Merkaba- This is not voice related or anything, but I've not seen you in the Tool thread lately, so I figured I could track you down here- Have you been working on Stinkfist lately? I know you said you had it finished, but you never uploaded it. :-/

Again, sorry for the thread hi-jacking, but I needed to ask you. :)[/QUOTE]
Yea i uploaded it...But I'm gonna rerecord it I think. I havent been over there in the tool thread in a few days.

[QUOTE=TSASI V.2]Your falsetto lesson 1 helped me a lot man. It was pretty close to the sound I want.[/QUOTE]
:thumb:

[QUOTE=Shadow18]I have a question , When I sing , there is somthing in the back of my throat that sounds like it is vibrating and it gives my singing voice a little crackleing sound. WTF is that? ? and how can i rid of it?[/QUOTE]
I have no clue as to what you've got going on in there. The only thing i could think of is that youre kinda rasping the sound by accident in the back of the throat area, maybe from squeezing the throat down a bit. You should practice making a single note at normal force, and then rising up in pitch and down to see if it still does it.Does this happen on all notes lower through higher , or just higher notes? Is it uncomfortable, or start to sting or irritate quickly? If so...how long does it normally take for it to get to that point? I cant really help ya much over the internet. You might want to see a doctor if its irritating. Maybe post a sample.

its when i start to get higher , it doesnt itch or irritate , it just sounds wierd to me.
I may post a recording or somthng.. im not that good at all , and im not used to my voice yet. If i do tho , it will be a recording of a part of a song i know

btw if it helps at all :P im only 14 , so it may be the cause of it...

and another question... how the **** does Davey Havok(AFI) go that high!!??
If you dont know what im talking bout , download these 2 songs.
AFI - Girls not grey
and
AFI - This Time Imperfect

On girls not grey , its the outro part. he sings " What follows" and just makes it really really high.

And on the other one , its the whole **** song.. goes from low to REALLY ****ING HIGH

it's not that high

Help with screaming like Tim Lambesis
 

Hey, I'm looking to be able to scream like Tim Lambesis the vocalist from the band As I Lay Dying. I have a pretty good natural singing voice despite reaching certain notes, but for the most part I can sing just about anything. But what I really need help with is screaming. I have a band called Final Awakening and I am the vocalist and lead guitarist so I have a pretty big role to play within the band itself. Now I can naturally scream somewhat, but I know for a fact that I must be doin it incorrectly because after recording vocals for 2 days straight I could barely talk without my throat hurting. Now with my throat finally not hurting anymore I am looking for help on screaming properly. I've read up on a lot of the follwing threads on how to scream properly but some of it just doesn't come to me or make sense, so I need more information and help. I have posted a link to a website where clips of my bands music is located. I would really appreciate any help anyone can possibly offer.

[url]www.cafepress.com/finalawakening[/url]

If you're clicking on this link to listen to the sound clips go to the audio cd and listen to Latticework, that is the best example of the way I am currently screaming, thank you.

[QUOTE=Shadow18]btw if it helps at all :P im only 14 , so it may be the cause of it...

and another question... how the **** does Davey Havok(AFI) go that high!!??
If you dont know what im talking bout , download these 2 songs.
AFI - Girls not grey
and
AFI - This Time Imperfect

On girls not grey , its the outro part. he sings " What follows" and just makes it really really high.

And on the other one , its the whole **** song.. goes from low to REALLY ****ING HIGH[/QUOTE]
Yea if youre 14 who the hell knows. Age transition will sometimes make you crack more because the larynx usually gets bigger and the cords have to balance out this change as theyre growing as well...generally its not really that big of a deal but can confuse some when they go for certain notes that they used to could close up in natural voice but now are becoming harder to. Young males are usually tenor and alto...some soprano. I was in the store this other day and this little two year old was sitting up front in the grocery cart, chanting incoherently about nothing but then he saw me coming and he looked at me and started to direct it at me, and then started this shrill. It was just incredible. He smiled and I smile back and went on about my day. Its like whenever anything like that occurs or when people are just playing around, I pay more attention to it, being that I'm all caught up in the vocal cords thing.
/tangent

but I'm not sure still what you could be doing if its not related to you rasping the note a bit by accident.

I'm not sure about Davey's vocals. I havent heard alot of them but i like the AFI that I have heard. But hey its like anything else....if you cant do it "naturally" it takes practice, technique, and strength.

[QUOTE=FinalAwakening]Hey, I'm looking to be able to scream like Tim Lambesis the vocalist from the band As I Lay Dying. I have a pretty good natural singing voice despite reaching certain notes, but for the most part I can sing just about anything. But what I really need help with is screaming. I have a band called Final Awakening and I am the vocalist and lead guitarist so I have a pretty big role to play within the band itself. Now I can naturally scream somewhat, but I know for a fact that I must be doin it incorrectly because after recording vocals for 2 days straight I could barely talk without my throat hurting. Now with my throat finally not hurting anymore I am looking for help on screaming properly. I've read up on a lot of the follwing threads on how to scream properly but some of it just doesn't come to me or make sense, so I need more information and help. I have posted a link to a website where clips of my bands music is located. I would really appreciate any help anyone can possibly offer.

[url]www.cafepress.com/finalawakening[/url]

If you're clicking on this link to listen to the sound clips go to the audio cd and listen to Latticework, that is the best example of the way I am currently screaming, thank you.[/QUOTE]

Well that scream sounds awesome. I clicked a few more links to hear anything else but didnt. As far as As I lay dying...I'm not familiar with them that well but i've heard them and them and everyone else are doing the same things just about . Some use more tone than others but as I always say...there's really not much you can do with the cords. But if youre experiencing pain youre using incorrect technique and probably pushing too much as well if I had to guess. If you havent read the isolation thread at the begining of the this thread then I suggest you do.

Hey Merk, did you ever listen to my recordings?

And about singing/screaming like Alexi, I think it would be hard to alter your tone to sound like him. He basically does the same thing as Chad from Mudvayne though, he jumps from raspy singing to screaming and makes the two sound very similar and smooth in transition. I think my screaming sounds alot like Alexi's actually, very overrasped and uhh, European-metal-like, but I'm still working on trying to get my raspy singing to sound "similar" and not so nasal, I guess.

hey merk and friends...

My quest to imporve my singing is getting osmehwere, and a sing song with my acoustic has made it onto my general practise schedule. I don't tend to sing loudly (family around, you know how it is :D ) so i'm wondering...

Is this kind of practice going to make me any better? I'm not especially intrested in becoming a technichally great singer, and much more in ebing able to sing in tune enough that I can do a bit of vocal work on my own stuff and maybe a band.

well, i have my falsetto scream down fairly well now, but the only problem is i have no air. Like my scream will start out good, then i run out of air and my scream dies. are there any excercises that will help me get more "wind"? like the book on your stomache exercise? and will singing full voice help my falsetto screams? i dont really have much desire to do anything vocally beside backup and scream(i play lead guitar).

thanks a ton for all the help and adive you have given me and everyone else. I greatly aprecciate all the help, without you merk, i would have no idea how to scream properly. thanks.

i think you should sing loud regardless of what the family thinks

[QUOTE=Merkaba-1]Well that scream sounds awesome. I clicked a few more links to hear anything else but didnt. As far as As I lay dying...I'm not familiar with them that well but i've heard them and them and everyone else are doing the same things just about . Some use more tone than others but as I always say...there's really not much you can do with the cords. But if youre experiencing pain youre using incorrect technique and probably pushing too much as well if I had to guess. If you havent read the isolation thread at the begining of the this thread then I suggest you do.[/QUOTE]

Alright thanks for the info, Merk, I'll read up on that thread. Also do you know if what exactly types of screaming as i lay dying does because I know he must use a lot of falsettos but my friend informed me that it's an all natural scream. The problem I have is that I can reach those high notes when I scream but not when I sing. What I need is to be able to reach those lower tones when I scream so I can sound more like As I Lay Dying;s vocalist. I'm guessing he pushes a lot of air from his gut but I'm not sure. If you can, could you help me with being able to reach lower notes/tones in screaming, because I know I have the higher notes pretty much down pat.

[QUOTE=AcidQueen]No matter what I do, I can't get the right technique down. My larynx moves a lot when I change pitch, meaning I am using my throat to change pitch instead of my vocal cords (which you probably know.) I've read all of your posts but I still don't know how to do it right. I plan on taking vocal lessons SOMETIME, but for now is there anything I can try?[/QUOTE]
Well for now...remember these two keys.No pain. Ever. And No effect to your speaking voice. If you wake up the next morning and youre hoarse you need to reevaluate and make sure youre warming down good. If you ever get one of the two...remember what you were doing so you can analyze it later to remove the incorrectness. I did this on my own for a while learning the hard way before I got some coaching. I meditate everyday so maybe its just me, but i pay attention when I'm singing. It doesnt take away from the enjoyment...but I know that when I'm reaching for something new, I have to watch out and pay attention when I'm trying to drive a note, especially head. I've actually been doing that a bit lately and I do make some mistakes and have to practice what I preach. I did really well tonight though.

Remember to practice with minimal push and dont equate push with pitch. (I still do this ALOT! But I know my limits even when i do, and I usually catch myself before It gets the best of me.) This will help you keep good technique because youre not trying to over do anything. With time you add a bit more and bit more, all the while keeping the same position you instilled by not overdoing anything and memorizing bad techniques. Start off simple if you dont know if you have good technique. Do some simple notes, just hold them, try to sound like youre singing opera without moving your mouth much.

Stay smart. NO pain, no affect to your speaking voice. And warm down.

[QUOTE=FinalAwakening]Alright thanks for the info, Merk, I'll read up on that thread. Also do you know if what exactly types of screaming as i lay dying does because I know he must use a lot of falsettos but my friend informed me that it's an all natural scream. The problem I have is that I can reach those high notes when I scream but not when I sing. What I need is to be able to reach those lower tones when I scream so I can sound more like As I Lay Dying;s vocalist. I'm guessing he pushes a lot of air from his gut but I'm not sure. If you can, could you help me with being able to reach lower notes/tones in screaming, because I know I have the higher notes pretty much down pat.[/QUOTE]
Youre welcome. But As I always say. There isnt really any types of screams. What exactly is a scream anyways? A loud note with some extra push behind it and some rasp. That rasp comes from the back of the throat, not the cords. Then theres whatever register youre in. Chest and low notes are usually "guttoral"...mid range is just...well...a yell...or a hard raspy note...upper range head notes are usually what most people call falsetto screams. I dont bother differentiating the two because I know what people mean when they say falsetto scream. Usually a "falsetto" scream is really a head voice note or a low power falsetto note. You just rasp it all to hell so it doesnt matter. Dont think about different types of screams but think about the cords. Is a matter of how much tone you can get with your cords which lends its hand to your level of strength and flexibility. The more you have the more versatile you can be, and over time you can just dial up whatever type of sound you want. But if you pay attention theres really not much going on. Different people have different voices, and of course different natural ranges. But all in all youre just gonna be hitting a note and then letting the air hit against the inside back of the throat. (technically the false vocal cord region, but does that mean anything to anyone). Maybe I should start re-recommending everyone listen to "Wonderful World" by Louis Armstrong. Rasping while crooning a ballad. its all bout being able to isolate your cords from your throat so that you can have the cords at one tension and the degree of throat involved at another.
And I promise you you can get any type of scream sound without pushing alot of air. Yes it will come from the diaphragm, but it doesnt have to be alot, and you'll help yourself if you remember that even if you cant do it yet.

[QUOTE=CDoasis]Hey Merk, did you ever listen to my recordings?

And about singing/screaming like Alexi, I think it would be hard to alter your tone to sound like him. He basically does the same thing as Chad from Mudvayne though, he jumps from raspy singing to screaming and makes the two sound very similar and smooth in transition. I think my screaming sounds alot like Alexi's actually, very overrasped and uhh, European-metal-like, but I'm still working on trying to get my raspy singing to sound "similar" and not so nasal, I guess.[/QUOTE]
Yea, just did today. Sounds like youre heading in the right direction. I would suggest you get some more cord activation in your guttoral. Meaning sing it a bit more. And your falsetto sounds pretty good. Keep working it man! :thumb:

[QUOTE=Merkaba-1]Youre welcome. But As I always say. There isnt really any types of screams. What exactly is a scream anyways? A loud note with some extra push behind it and some rasp. That rasp comes from the back of the throat, not the cords. Then theres whatever register youre in. Chest and low notes are usually "guttoral"...mid range is just...well...a yell...or a hard raspy note...upper range head notes are usually what most people call falsetto screams. I dont bother differentiating the two because I know what people mean when they say falsetto scream. Usually a "falsetto" scream is really a head voice note or a low power falsetto note. You just rasp it all to hell so it doesnt matter. Dont think about different types of screams but think about the cords. Is a matter of how much tone you can get with your cords which lends its hand to your level of strength and flexibility. The more you have the more versatile you can be, and over time you can just dial up whatever type of sound you want. But if you pay attention theres really not much going on. Different people have different voices, and of course different natural ranges. But all in all youre just gonna be hitting a note and then letting the air hit against the inside back of the throat. (technically the false vocal cord region, but does that mean anything to anyone). Maybe I should start re-recommending everyone listen to "Wonderful World" by Louis Armstrong. Rasping while crooning a ballad. its all bout being able to isolate your cords from your throat so that you can have the cords at one tension and the degree of throat involved at another.

And I promise you you can get any type of scream sound without pushing alot of air. Yes it will come from the diaphragm, but it doesnt have to be alot, and you'll help yourself if you remember that even if you cant do it yet.
:thumb:[/QUOTE]

Hey thanks merk, I'll go practice my screaming for now and I'll see what happens. Also I need to learn how to sing those higher pitch notes and tones so if you could help me with any singing techniques that would be great. thanks. I'm kind of wanting to be able to scream like Tim Lambesis(As I Lay Dying lead vocalist) and sing like Pete Loeffler (Chevelle's lead vocalist). I would really appreciate any information on being able to sing like Pete from Chevelle and what styles of singing he uses. thanks

Awesome, thanks so much Merk! :D It's awesome to hear complements from vocalists who actually.. know their stuff!

I'll keep working on it. Hopefully sometime this year I'll get a decent soundcard and vocal mic and record some more original material.

[QUOTE=FinalAwakening]Hey thanks merk, I'll go practice my screaming for now and I'll see what happens. Also I need to learn how to sing those higher pitch notes and tones so if you could help me with any singing techniques that would be great. thanks. I'm kind of wanting to be able to scream like Tim Lambesis(As I Lay Dying lead vocalist) and sing like Pete Loeffler (Chevelle's lead vocalist). I would really appreciate any information on being able to sing like Pete from Chevelle and what styles of singing he uses. thanks[/QUOTE]
chevelle plays alot of songs in c tuning If i hear correctly, or at least the ones I've heard seem to be. Its definitely dropped, which makes it easier to hit the higher ends. Pete does the typical "falsetto" type of raspy notes. He just has pretty good strength and can close up the higher stuff tight enough to push harder and get plenty of rasp. Its the same as Deftones, Mudvayne...etc. But you will have to be able to isolate. As far as building upper range...thats in my voicehelp hotline too...but it takes time.

[QUOTE=CDoasis]Awesome, thanks so much Merk! :D It's awesome to hear complements from vocalists who actually.. know their stuff!

I'll keep working on it. Hopefully sometime this year I'll get a decent soundcard and vocal mic and record some more original material.[/QUOTE]
Sure thing...I hope to get some more samples up in a few days.

help please... anyone
 

hi merkaba

thanks to you my screams have improved significantly and i truly thank you for that.
however in my normal singing voice i feel something is lacking, perhaps tone.... if you or anyone could give me some advice i would really appreciate it.

i recorded helloween's dr. stein and you can find it here:

[url]http://rapidshare.de/files/2856106/dr_stein-04.mp3.html[/url]

thanx in advance. any help/criticism appreciated.

ok, i have kind of asked this question in various manners before, but haven't really gotten that good of a response. I would like to learn how to sing higher, like James from Metallica on the early albums. I can get into the range that James sings in, but it's quite hard. I know my voice isn't too deep, cause James voice is way deeper then mine. Will it get easier to hit the high notes if I practice more, or is it just a matter of me not being able to hit those notes?

Ah, I pretty much totally forgot about this forum, I've been too busy in D&P.

anyway, merkaba, i'm not sure if you ever remember talking to me, but I was trying to scream, and I still can't really. It always ends up being a whisper scream, no matter how hard I try not to. If it's not, it's not really a good scream and it hurts. I've tried doing it from the gut and all that, but its just the whisper stuff. Also, if I try to do it not whisper, it sounds bad.

Basically, how do I get past this annoying whisper barrier?