I prefer Youth and Young Manhood no end, lots more catchy songs.

I'm going to try and spend a little more time here too, weed out the idiots and help encourage the better writers.

metaliq - whenever you've got time, as long as you get to it.

[QUOTE=A_Perfect_Sonnet]The Fall of Troy got signed to Equal Vision Records. I got into the art program at Indiana University of Pennsylvania. No school for like two more days. Today was a good day.[/QUOTE]

That's awesome, Equal Vision is awesome. Coheed and Cambria, Alexisonfire, Bear vs. Shark, Give Up The Ghost, Black Cross, Armor for Sleep, and now...The Fall of Troy. I need to get their album. thank you APS, for introducing them to me.:).

That's also awesome, APS.

No school becasue of the snow? Youre in Virginia right? How bad did you get hit?


EDIT: Who is RQ?

So just how spiffy was this joint? I know there are a few good writers and a lot of others disappoint, but they're here for help. The good writers aren't encouraged by the new kids, and are offered very little help with their songs. The new kids might get a few good crits but soon they just turn and feed off eachothers crits until I can't get to the end of a thread without getting sick. I wouldn't mind getting rid of some horrid users and getting more good writers, but that still doesn't help me a whole lot with my lyrics and poems. I find myself critting fewer and fewer bad songs (the ones that need crits the most) and the good songs are only receiving praise and I don't think my reinforcing that is going to help the artist unless they're really unsure about their work. Few people seem to be growing. The past two songs APS posted I didn't crit because I can't tell him where there's an error and it's nothing I can suggest to add to his art that wouldn't dilute it with my writing/opinion. Seems like a catch 22.

Myself, I don't care about a huge crit. If someone could point out a spot that just seems awkward or off (even a grammar error), that would be all I need. I'm not a big self promoter. The new kids are the ones in need of in depth crits. The thing is, most of them haven't learned to take criticism and would rather just get lots of praise. Most songs, I just find to be too generic to even want to crit. Every song has the same basic problems too. We have "nice guys" around here just giving out praise and not even trying to help make their songs better. If we have people keep doing that, no one will improve. I'd suggest that everyone just toughen up your crits and start being a little mean. That should weed out who we don't want on the boards (the kids who don't learn from the criticism, just argue back) and maybe make them a better place to learn about song writing and a friendly place in general.

^I had the best nice guy approach if you remember my crits.

I only bother critting songs that are average and show potential. Otherwise it's pointless.

Any other cases i just leave comments.

[QUOTE=theredwonder]I only bother critting songs that are average and show potential. Otherwise it's pointless.

Any other cases i just leave comments.[/QUOTE]
But you rarely critted my son...oh.

:upset:

Your's either fell into the

- Too good to bother critting

or

- Too obscure (in a "good" way) for me to understand

categories :)

I_mine_cor and APS brought up a very good point.

I've always tried to maintain a happy medium when critting - if a song is bad, I'll tell someone. I've given out plenty of 1s and 2s over my time here, but at the same time, I'll also point out where they suck and what I feel they can do to improve it. If they respond well, then I'll +rep them and make an effort to crit their songs in future. If they get narked and start getting funny, then they get neg repped and I won't touch them with a bargepole.

What upsets me is when you see the guys (and they are about) that come on here, follow the rules, give three or four good crits to people, and then post their song only to watch it slide down the first page with no crits... THOSE are the songs we really need to aim for, because chances are, they are the decent guys that will stick around.

Yeah, i know how they feel :hint:

But seriously i understand what you're talking about. There are plenty of users that don't post much, but when they do post a song make sure they give out a fair amount of crits in return. Yet still their song falls short.

It's wrong, wrong i tell you. But life's like that, and we all know that the internet = life.

haha, I haven't forgotten Red, I promise. Just had a busier day than I expected yesterday. I'll get to it asap. :)

Hmm...so sounds like we have one of those "plan" things. or we should, to make S&L better. But really, I think everyone brought up some good points. I need to crit more. and if anyone wants to find the guidelines thread, that would be good. I know no one wants to do it though since search is not there anymore.

Just got Frances the Mute...

:amazement:

I just found it mshort. Feel free to add to it, it was written 3 months ago.

whoa - that was some stuff you wrote Mozz. must've taken a while.

Frances The Mute = Sex
My new song = Not

Hmmm, are you really not happy with it sonnet?

I thought the first verse was excellent, but it just sort of disintegrated like a 10 cent condom after that.

woah, it seems like there is a rush of a regular songs up right now, good to see all of you guys posting

it is nice to see, actually... I've enjoyed critting the songs I've done tonight - I'll have a look at yours at some point, Joe.

Thanks for any crits i've recieved, always appreciated. I shall be returning any outstanding ones soon.

Anyway goodnight S&L.

goodnight red.

Where the hell is everyone tonight?!

I'm in and out sporadically.

If anyone cares.

The S&L Community Thread seems to have shrivelled up and died, unfortunately. Let's take a moment to mourn the loss.

Wait...

I'm still in mourning for the Rep Points system.

Does anyone know exactly why that happened? I have some ideas, but none of them are verified "truth" yet.

Check the site forum for some views on the subject. Oh, i was going to crit your prog epic but it's a little too long right now. Perhaps tomorrow or late this evening. Sorry.

mshort and morrissey owe me crits if you're out there.

I still have stars :cool:

[QUOTE=morrissey]I just found it mshort. Feel free to add to it, it was written 3 months ago.[/QUOTE]
Thank you. I hope everyone reads it.

[QUOTE=theredwonder]

mshort and morrissey owe me crits if you're out there.

I still have stars :cool:[/QUOTE]

Yeah I'm going to do it right now. So check it when you see this.

Crappp...so does that mean I can't get stars now that rep is gone. I really don't care about rep being gone, though, I'm kind of glad. and sweet, search is up. :).

Rep was the only thing I lived for! :'(

/just lost 21k rep

hm, that's too bad.

It might be, but if I got that high before I'll wager that I'm good enough to get repped again sooner or later.