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shortass 01-03-2005 06:45 PM

Man brad?

munky_magik 01-03-2005 06:51 PM

[QUOTE=promqueen]man brad wilk was the ****....i love him!!!*[/QUOTE]


*man, Brad Wilk was the s[size=2]h[/size]it...I love him!!!

shortass 01-03-2005 06:57 PM

Still don't know who Brad Wilk is :upset:

/Awaits flaming

munky_magik 01-03-2005 06:59 PM

[QUOTE=shortass]Still don't know who Brad Wilk is :upset:

/Awaits flaming[/QUOTE]

The drummer, Unless I'm [I]greatly[/I] mistaken

shortass 01-03-2005 07:03 PM

lol only member I don't know

/Goes and checks

Ah so he is...

munky_magik 01-03-2005 07:04 PM

[QUOTE=Med57]He's the drummer for Rage...really underrated I think. Sure, he's not fast or anything like that, but in terms of his beats, and hip-hop influenced style, he's quite different from most rock drummers. And he works very well with Tim Commerford in the rhythm section.[/QUOTE]

Him and Timmy C always lay down a really solid Groove I think.they work great as a team and really lock in well together

CaptainWaits 01-03-2005 07:09 PM

^^deffinetly

Timmy C's a wicked bassist and Wilk gets to play a solid wicked groove all day (lucky b*tch)

Thor 01-03-2005 07:23 PM

[QUOTE=Animosity_62]^^deffinetly

Timmy C's a wicked bassist and Wilk gets to play a solid wicked groove all day (lucky b*tch)[/QUOTE]
IMO Brad Wilk was nothing special, even though I am a huge RATM fan. He did what needed to be done, but never really did anything that made my jaw drop.

CaptainWaits 01-03-2005 07:25 PM

^^yeh well he wasn't meant to do ne thing "amazing"

Just to keep a satisfied groove that fit, and he did a great job of it

Darkness 01-03-2005 08:17 PM

[QUOTE=munky_magik]Whilst we are unfortunately on the topic, To me Tom lost half of his innovativness in Audioslave. He mostly relied on effects for his solos and didn't really create anything new in any other way. His riffs were the only thing that remained good about him in Audioslave, and even they pale in comparison to those he did in RATM.

Now Please; NO MORE MENTIONS OF AUDIOSLAVE IN HERE!![/QUOTE]

Dude, besides on the self titled album all he did was use effects for solos...Besides Audioslaves album was recorded in a hurry he only had like 3/4's of a year to come up with riffs and solos...I bet you on the new slave album his solos will kick major ***...(sorry about bringing audioslave back)

munky_magik 01-03-2005 08:20 PM

well straight away on Bulls Parade from Evil Empire he didn't use an effect. And in RATM generally alot of his solos were less effects based than in Audioslave.

Darkness 01-03-2005 08:23 PM

WRONG. I was ganna mention how he didn't use effects in the bulls one but then I remebered this video clip I saw. Heres exactly how he does it (I saw an interview with him and he showed how he does some of his solos including bulls, guerrilla, and sleep now):

First you turn the bridge pickup volume to 10 and the other to 0 then use the killswitch Technique then you add some "white noise" (he steps on a pedal that was not shown in the video) then he does the scratching...

I'd love to somehow get this video for everyone to see...but have no idea how to.

munky_magik 01-04-2005 07:19 AM

well the solo wouldn't really be the same or as good if he only stepped on the pedal now would it? :rolleyes:

And the inclusion of the killswitch and scratching is what I'm talking about, his solos in Rage weren't totally reliant on effects.

Darkness 01-04-2005 10:26 AM

No, but the solo wouldn't have been as good if he wouldn't have stepped on the pedal... your right man I'm agreeing with you, he needs his effects in audioslave solos more then in rage but I'm just saying that in rage he needed them to.

Audioslave solo without effects - I am the highway (though once live he used a wah and it sounded wicked), Getaway car...those are the only that come to mind I haven't listened to that cd for a while. oh yeah theres show me how to live to he does something with the toggle switch... and the mini solos in Cochise... :thumb:

munky_magik 01-04-2005 10:33 AM

the intro to Cochise is just slap back delay and muted strings, the solo is just normal playing with a hint of dealy.
And I think I am the highway is just done with delay and a ring modulator or some strange effect.

Linkinbassist 01-04-2005 10:35 AM

if you play the bassline to 'bombtrack', and then the bassline to 'cochise', they are stupidly similiar in placing and key...

munky_magik 01-04-2005 10:42 AM

the majority of Tom's/Tim's riffs are written using the same scale, and in the same key.

Darkness 01-04-2005 03:38 PM

Yeah Tom's said it before he's not big on theory. Well more so in audioslave then rage, but still.

Daven 01-04-2005 03:39 PM

tom morelo has some crazy riffs

munky_magik 01-04-2005 03:40 PM

You don't need theory to be able to use different scales.
I'm not complaining though, from basically 1 scale and 2 tunings Tom's work has never bored me.

Thor 01-04-2005 03:44 PM

Tom Morello can come up with some crazy riffs by only using standard tuning and drop D. He never fails to amaze me.

Darkness 01-04-2005 03:58 PM

What I'm saying is he just stays on the same frets and same strings most of the time I'm sure he doesn't care what scale hes useing or what key hes in...though he'll know when notes don't fit or whatever.

HiP-h0p |\|4zi 01-04-2005 09:13 PM

In reply to #190

Okay,

lets take gurellia radio( sorry about the spelling if wrong) and look at the lyrics

Transmission third world war third round
A decade of the weapon of sound above ground
No shelter if youre looking for shade
I lick shots at the brutal charade
As the polls close like a casket
On truth devoured
Silent play in the shadow of power
A spectacle monopolized
The cameras eyes on choice disguised
Was it cast for the mass who burn and toil?
Or for the vultures who thirst for blood and oil?
Yes a spectacle monopolized
They hold the reins, stole your eyes
All the fistagons the bullets and bombs
Who stuff the banks
Who staff the party ranks
More for Gore or the son of a drug lord
None of the above **** it cut the cord

Lights out
Guerilla Radio
Turn that **** up
Lights out
Guerilla Radio
Turn that **** up
Lights out
Guerilla Radio
Turn that **** up
Lights out

Guerilla Radio

Contact I highjacked the frequencies
Blockin the beltway
Move on DC
Way past the days of bombin MCs
Sound off Mumia guan be free
Who gottem yo check the federal file
All you pen devils know the trial was vile
Army of pigs try to silence my style
Off em all out that box its my radio dial

Lights out
Guerilla Radio
Turn that **** up
Lights out
Guerilla Radio
Turn that **** up
Lights out
Guerilla Radio
Turn that **** up
Lights out
Guerilla Radio
Turn that **** up

It has to start somewhere
It has to start sometime
What better place than here
What better time than now

All hell cant stop us now
All hell cant stop us now
All hell cant stop us now
All hell cant stop us now
All hell cant stop us now
All hell cant stop us now


To me that sounds like punk

How about we look at [b]F[/b]uck the police


Good Evening,

We want to just quickly send a nice friendly message
to uh, Fraternal Order of Police in Philadelphia.

Here's something nice and friendly,
Here's something nice and friendly,
Here's something nice and friendly,
and it goes something like this.

**** tha police,
Comin straight from the underground.
Young nigga got it bad cuz I'm brown,
And not the other color so police think,
They have the authority to kill a minority.

**** that ****, cuz I ain't tha one,
For a punk mutha ****a with a badge and a gun,
To be beatin on, and throwin in jail.
We could go toe to toe in the middle of a cell.

****in with me cuz I'm a teenager,
With a little bit of gold and a pager.
Searchin my car, lookin for the product.
Thinkin every nigga is sellin narcotics.

You'd rather see me in the pen,
Then me and Lorenzo chilling in the Benzo.
Beat tha police outta shape,
And when I'm finished, bring the yellow tape,
To mark off the scene of the slaughter.
No controller, bread and water.

A young nigga on a warpath,
And when I'm finished, it's gonna be a bloodbath,
Of cops, dyin in L. A.

Yo, I got somethin to say.
**** the police,
Comon! Off, What?
**** the police,
Yeah!
Comon!
**** tha police,
Yeah.


**** The police,
Comin straight from the underground.
Young nigga got it bad cuz I'm brown,
And not the other color so police think,
They have the authority to kill a minority.

**** that ****, cuz I ain't tha one,
For a punk mutha ****a with a badge and a gun,
To be beatin on, and throwin in jail.
We could go toe to toe in the middle of a cell.

****in with me cuz I'm a teenager,
With a little bit of gold and a pager.
Searchin my car, lookin for the product.
Thinkin every nigga is sellin narcotics.

You'd rather see me in the pen,
Then me and Lorenzo chilling in the Benzo.
Beat tha police outta shape,
And when I'm finished, bring the yellow tape,
To mark off the scene of the slaughter.
No controller, bread and water.

I don't know if they fags or what,
Search a nigga down and grabbin in the nuts.
And on the other hand, without a gun they can't get none.
But don't let it be a black and a white one.
Cuz they slam ya down to the street top,
Black police showin out for the white cop.

Yeah, my brothas will swarm,
On any mutha ****a in a blue uniform.
Just cuz we in Washington D.C, punk police are afraid of me.
Hey!

[b]Punk[/b] on a warpath,
And when I'm finished, it's gonna be a bloodbath,
Of cops, dyin in L. A.

Hey yo, We got somethin to say.
**** the police,
Comon, sing that ****,
Right now,
Comon!
Comon!
One more time,
Here we go, here we go,
Comon!
One More, We gotta do it, right now,
Yeah,
Check it out.
Oh I am sorry for the lateness of this reply as well I didn't notice until i checked my rep points

ibanezsucks04 01-04-2005 09:22 PM

[QUOTE=machinehead1]Didn't Zach go off and fight with Mexico against America or something? That's what a friend told me[/QUOTE]
lol how come that wouldnt surprise anyone if he did.

Darkness 01-04-2005 10:46 PM

Dude who said all those lyrics...**** the police isn't there its a cover of NWA.

Dr. Jake Destructo 01-04-2005 11:52 PM

[QUOTE=HiP-h0p |\|4zi]


[B]To me that sounds like punk[/B]

[/QUOTE]

For something to [I]sound[/I] like punk, wouldnt you actually have to [I]hear[I] it? :confused: Pink Floyd was writing punkish songs lyrically, maybe with a bit more talent, but they were still punk souding. See the entire album "Animals." However, just because something is politically driven doesn't mean it's punk.

Amp'd 01-05-2005 02:23 AM

Man i gotta venture out of the guitar forums more! i love all of Toms work and for all those that say he only uses the blues scale in D and E, it doesnt matter because the way he uses the notes and timing means his riff never get stale. In terms of albums st>ee>r>bola but i rate all of them over 9/10. Zach left because he saw the VMA insedent as the last straw.

cheesepuff 01-05-2005 02:44 AM

I like BOLA the best personally, Born of a Broken Man is a beautiful song. I'm pretty sure most of their stuff is pentatonic, haven't really dissected it however so I could be wrong.

Amp'd 01-05-2005 02:51 AM

[QUOTE=DekWannaBFlea]I heard some where that Kashmir by Led Zeppelin and Wake up by Rage have similiarities, are they similar riffs or what?[/QUOTE]
similar yes, but they are not the same, Kashmir has three chords, while Wake Up has two. And thank you for not saying "OMFG RaGe CopIeD ZePPlIn"

Amp'd 01-05-2005 02:53 AM

[QUOTE=cheesepuff]I like BOLA the best personally, Born of a Broken Man is a beautiful song. I'm pretty sure most of their stuff is pentatonic, haven't really dissected it however so I could be wrong.[/QUOTE]
Born of a broken man is a Fu[COLOR=White]c[/COLOR]ken kick a[COLOR=White]s[/COLOR]s song i puts tingles down my spine.


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